So now Bill Withers, Sylvester, Parliament, Frankie Beverly & Maze, Earth Wind & Fire and Miles Davis are "ROCK?"
RIF, people, RIF.
Eh. Believe me, I read the original post and put some thought into my choices. I'll confess ignorance about the finer points of where rhythm and blues ends and rock begins according to the rulermakers, but my personal definition of "rock" is certainly broader than the distance from Neil Young to Kiss. Bill Withers strikes me as particularly uncontroversial. Is there such a sonic difference between "Lean on Me" and "Use Me", say, and anything the Stones were doing at the same time?
So now Bill Withers, Sylvester, Parliament, Frankie Beverly & Maze, Earth Wind & Fire and Miles Davis are "ROCK?"
RIF, people, RIF.
Eh. Believe me, I read the original post and put some thought into my choices. I'll confess ignorance about the finer points of where rhythm and blues ends and rock begins according to the rulermakers, but my personal definition of "rock" is certainly broader than the distance from Neil Young to Kiss. Bill Withers strikes me as particularly uncontroversial. Is there such a sonic difference between "Lean on Me" and "Use Me", say, and anything the Stones were doing at the same time?
Come on, dude. I hear you, for the most part - I wasn't going to argue Curtis - but go ahead and explain to me how Frankie Beverly & Maze are "rock" and I'll prepare to have my mind blown. I mean, this being Soul Strut, I'm quite sure the point of naming the thread best live "rock" albums was to avoid the usual list of Curtis Live, JB Live at the Apollo, etc, that comes up on what is a soul-oriented board when people are asked to list off favorite live albums.
And, no, Bill Withers is not rock. I feel what you are saying, but dude is not a rock artist, he is a soul artist, maybe closer to singer songwriter steez than rock. The difference is the Stones were singing about screwing groupies and shooting coke - there are things that set rock apart from other music than just the sound, you know?
Come on, dude. I hear you, for the most part - I wasn't going to argue Curtis - but go ahead and explain to me how Frankie Beverly & Maze are "rock" and I'll prepare to have my mind blown. I mean, this being Soul Strut, I'm quite sure the point of naming the thread best live "rock" albums was to avoid the usual list of Curtis Live, JB Live at the Apollo, etc, that comes up on what is a soul-oriented board when people are asked to list off favorite live albums.
Fair enough. I'm not qualified to deconstruct the meaning of rock in order to explain why someone else's entry (Frankie Beverly and Maze) is or is not it.
And, no, Bill Withers is not rock. I feel what you are saying, but dude is not a rock artist, he is a soul artist, maybe closer to singer songwriter steez than rock. The difference is the Stones were singing about screwing groupies and shooting coke - there are things that set rock apart from other music than just the sound, you know?
OK, but Talking Heads, Neil Young and Dog Faced Hermans don't sing about screwing groupies and shooting coke either. Nor do they really share too much in common with each other, let alone with Kiss. It's just strange to me that, on the one hand, "Rock" is this huge all-inclusive, kitchen sink term spanning several decades worth of different rhythms, chord progressions, stylistic postures, subject matter, sound technologies, etc., yet on the other hand is totally non-inclusive of a dude like Withers who seems no more divergent from "the core" than anyone else mentioned here.
OK, but Talking Heads, Neil Young and Dog Faced Hermans don't sing about screwing groupies and shooting coke either. Nor do they really share too much in common with each other, let alone with Kiss. It's just strange to me that, on the one hand, "Rock" is this huge all-inclusive, kitchen sink term spanning several decades worth of different rhythms, chord progressions, stylistic postures, subject matter, sound technologies, etc., yet on the other hand is totally non-inclusive of a dude like Withers who seems no more divergent from "the core" than anyone else mentioned here.
Fair enough, I do make the same argument myself, although I still don't see Withers as rock, he's a "crossover" artist but more towards pop and jazz than rock, in my opinion. But come on, Neil Young doesn't sing about screwing groupies and shooting coke?
OK, but Talking Heads, Neil Young and Dog Faced Hermans don't sing about screwing groupies and shooting coke either. Nor do they really share too much in common with each other, let alone with Kiss. It's just strange to me that, on the one hand, "Rock" is this huge all-inclusive, kitchen sink term spanning several decades worth of different rhythms, chord progressions, stylistic postures, subject matter, sound technologies, etc., yet on the other hand is totally non-inclusive of a dude like Withers who seems no more divergent from "the core" than anyone else mentioned here.
Fair enough, I do make the same argument myself, although I still don't see Withers as rock, he's a "crossover" artist but more towards pop and jazz than rock, in my opinion. But come on, Neil Young doesn't sing about screwing groupies and shooting coke?
Does he? I've never really paid enough attention to his lyrics, to be honest.
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Earth Wind & Fire and Miles Davis are "ROCK?"
RIF, people, RIF.
Eh. Believe me, I read the original post and put some thought into my choices. I'll confess ignorance about the finer points of where rhythm and blues ends and rock begins according to the rulermakers, but my personal definition of "rock" is certainly broader than the distance from Neil Young to Kiss. Bill Withers strikes me as particularly uncontroversial. Is there such a sonic difference between "Lean on Me" and "Use Me", say, and anything the Stones were doing at the same time?
Come on, dude. I hear you, for the most part - I wasn't going
to argue Curtis - but go ahead and explain to me how Frankie Beverly
& Maze are "rock" and I'll prepare to have my mind blown. I mean,
this being Soul Strut, I'm quite sure the point of naming the thread
best live "rock" albums was to avoid the usual list of Curtis Live,
JB Live at the Apollo, etc, that comes up on what is a soul-oriented board
when people are asked to list off favorite live albums.
And, no, Bill Withers is not rock. I feel what you are saying, but
dude is not a rock artist, he is a soul artist, maybe closer to singer
songwriter steez than rock. The difference is the Stones were singing
about screwing groupies and shooting coke - there are things that set
rock apart from other music than just the sound, you know?
Fair enough. I'm not qualified to deconstruct the meaning of rock in order to explain why someone else's entry (Frankie Beverly and Maze) is or is not it.
OK, but Talking Heads, Neil Young and Dog Faced Hermans don't sing about screwing groupies and shooting coke either. Nor do they really share too much in common with each other, let alone with Kiss. It's just strange to me that, on the one hand, "Rock" is this huge all-inclusive, kitchen sink term spanning several decades worth of different rhythms, chord progressions, stylistic postures, subject matter, sound technologies, etc., yet on the other hand is totally non-inclusive of a dude like Withers who seems no more divergent from "the core" than anyone else mentioned here.
Fair enough, I do make the same argument myself, although I still don't
see Withers as rock, he's a "crossover" artist but more towards pop and
jazz than rock, in my opinion. But come on, Neil Young doesn't sing about
screwing groupies and shooting coke?
Does he? I've never really paid enough attention to his lyrics, to be honest.