seriously once you peep the album you'll see how inane a comparison this thread represents.
i'm confused. do you think that if people heard this album, that their stance on the album would change? how about the freakazoid factor? how does that weigh into the equation? please to knowledge drop.
Octagon was fun for a few weeks when it was fresh, although honestly for the reasons given in mockery, including Rootless' on-point call that girls were into it, seems like I would play it hanging out with girls so I could listen to rap, or when stoned.
Today, it's unlistenable. If anything, I like Keith better when he has no budget and is working out of pocket. I think his best (AKA funniest) solo joint was Dr. DOOOM, just because it was a straight comedy album, and looked homemade as shit.
The real abomination is "Black Elvis," an album that was meant to crossover, but to an audience that didn't really exist - it was like "now the techno kids will love me" but that was who was already jocking him at that point, so it just looked mad contrived.
I can't speak on M.F. Doom, never checked his post-KMD shit except some singles or whatnot.
Octagon was fun for a few weeks when it was fresh, although honestly for the reasons given in mockery, including Rootless' on-point call that girls were into it, seems like I would play it hanging out with girls so I could listen to rap, or when stoned.
Today, it's unlistenable. If anything, I like Keith better when he has no budget and is working out of pocket. I think his best (AKA funniest) solo joint was Dr. DOOOM, just because it was a straight comedy album, and looked homemade as shit.
The real abomination is "Black Elvis," an album that was meant to crossover, but to an audience that didn't really exist - it was like "now the techno kids will love me" but that was who was already jocking him at that point, so it just looked mad contrived.
I can't speak on M.F. Doom, never checked his post-KMD shit except some singles or whatnot.
i recently brought Octagon w/ me on a car trip (the UK mo wax CD, dunny!) and was kinda bummed that i just thought it was ok...
songs that i loved back when it came out (blue flowers, 3000, earth people, i'm destructive) still sounded fucking great, but the rest of the CD is filler... with Doomsday, i had the opposite reaction, where when i bought it, i only really dug "dead beat" and "hey!", but now i think it's an amazing album back to front... so, to me in 2007, Doomsday is a better record...
for Kool Keith, i think "sex style" has aged the best, that record is pretty decent all the way thru, and "keep it real... represent" maybe the funniest rap song of all time... every line is killer... funny you hate "black elvis", but like "dr dooom", as they are like "sex style" and "octagon", flip sides of the same coin, in the sense that they were recorded and released fairly close together, with one album the more mainstream joint (octagon, black elvis) and one being the underground one (sex style, dooom)... i think "Dr Dooom" has aged better, as when it came out, i was kinda disapointed (kurt's beats sounded flat and stale), but now i really like it... "Black Elvis' has it's moments... (" i want you to fax yourself to china. do this now."), but yeah, that album was a bumout, the music was just nothing special...
oh, and Doom sounds mushmouthed on Doomsday because he was fucking drunk...
They??re both spaced, well-produced albums with good beats and rappers. End.
I??ve listened loads to both, and even if I don??t take them out that much anymore (might just have to after this thread), I can still recognize that they??re really good albums. Rhymes Like Dimes, 1977, Dead Beat, Girl Let me Touch You, it??s all good to me. I like music that I LIKE, with or without critical analysis of the subject matter in the verses.
Between the Stripes/Caddyshack thread and this one, people's tastes are looking more questionable than ever around here. Much like Stripes, Doc Oc has it's moments, but doesn't really hold up against Doomsday.
Like someone else mentioned, that LP is from the heart, you can feel that Zev was really putting something extra into his rhymes there because he was coming out of nowhere. Now that he's an established rapper (again) I don't think he's as consistent with it.
i can still listen to O:D, but Doc Oc hasn't held up very well for me. i dont think i even put any octagon on my ipod, except for blue flowers and a couple other tracks.
the whole horse in the hospital shit was funny though.
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i'm confused. do you think that if people heard this album, that their stance on the album would change? how about the freakazoid factor? how does that weigh into the equation? please to knowledge drop.
Doomsday isn't spaced out rap
It's a hard call to make but I would probably have to go with Dr. Octagon
hahaha. dude this is the strut. it's well known you don't need to have heard an album before analyzing it.
now excuse my while I load up the Volcano vaporizer and pop in Dr. Octagon.
no question. Faux, you really never heard it? Its dope. S.O.S. band samples, dooms best, most non cartoon planet obsessed rhymes.
Does that make me
1) Non-rap fan
2) disconnected
3) simply ghey
4) all of the above
?
Octagon was fun for a few weeks when it was fresh, although
honestly for the reasons given in mockery, including Rootless'
on-point call that girls were into it, seems like I would play
it hanging out with girls so I could listen to rap, or when stoned.
Today, it's unlistenable. If anything, I like Keith better
when he has no budget and is working out of pocket. I think
his best (AKA funniest) solo joint was Dr. DOOOM, just because
it was a straight comedy album, and looked homemade as shit.
The real abomination is "Black Elvis," an album that was meant
to crossover, but to an audience that didn't really exist - it
was like "now the techno kids will love me" but that was who was
already jocking him at that point, so it just looked mad contrived.
I can't speak on M.F. Doom, never checked his post-KMD shit except
some singles or whatnot.
i recently brought Octagon w/ me on a car trip (the UK mo wax CD, dunny!) and was kinda bummed that i just thought it was ok...
songs that i loved back when it came out (blue flowers, 3000, earth people, i'm destructive) still sounded fucking great, but the rest of the CD is filler... with Doomsday, i had the opposite reaction, where when i bought it, i only really dug "dead beat" and "hey!", but now i think it's an amazing album back to front... so, to me in 2007, Doomsday is a better record...
for Kool Keith, i think "sex style" has aged the best, that record is pretty decent all the way thru, and "keep it real... represent" maybe the funniest rap song of all time... every line is killer... funny you hate "black elvis", but like "dr dooom", as they are like "sex style" and "octagon", flip sides of the same coin, in the sense that they were recorded and released fairly close together, with one album the more mainstream joint (octagon, black elvis) and one being the underground one (sex style, dooom)... i think "Dr Dooom" has aged better, as when it came out, i was kinda disapointed (kurt's beats sounded flat and stale), but now i really like it... "Black Elvis' has it's moments... (" i want you to fax yourself to china. do this now."), but yeah, that album was a bumout, the music was just nothing special...
oh, and Doom sounds mushmouthed on Doomsday because he was fucking drunk...
I??ve listened loads to both, and even if I don??t take them out that much anymore (might just have to after this thread), I can still recognize that they??re really good albums. Rhymes Like Dimes, 1977, Dead Beat, Girl Let me Touch You, it??s all good to me. I like music that I LIKE, with or without critical analysis of the subject matter in the verses.
- J
Like someone else mentioned, that LP is from the heart, you can feel that Zev was really putting something extra into his rhymes there because he was coming out of nowhere. Now that he's an established rapper (again) I don't think he's as consistent with it.
thank you "PhillyStress."
your insightful commentary is always appreciated.
I'd say this thread is a wrap.
Thanks for coming down.
the whole horse in the hospital shit was funny though.