Basically every King Curtis and Jr. Walker record is ruined by, well, them...a cool little vamp/groove is chugging along and then "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" some proto-SNL band bullshit horn solo
That's like hating water for being WET. That's what Curtis and Junior DID, and that's what I'm into, sorry. I hear that WEEEEEEEEEE and I'm like "about damn time!". Coltrane and them are okay in their place, but I'm no jazz expert, I just know what I like. (Never got it with Rollins, although this comp I have of Coltrane's Prestige stuff ain't half bad.)
And as far as the SNL pit band association, I'm not gonna stop listening to Eddie Floyd just 'cause some disco diva fucked up "Knock On Wood."
yeah but Chuck Higgins, Big Jay, Louis Jordon and the like did it SO much better and were SO LESS instrusive on the piece of music, they played around the tune not just dropping a turd in the punchbowl...and as far as SNL, I wasnt referring to the association, I was reffereing to the sound and style of that shit...you know neon signs reflected in the wet streets stuff...King and Jr. had this style that is nails on chalkboard to me.
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Basically every King Curtis and Jr. Walker record is ruined by, well, them...a cool little vamp/groove is chugging along and then "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" some proto-SNL band bullshit horn solo
That's like hating water for being WET. That's what Curtis and Junior DID, and that's what I'm into, sorry. I hear that WEEEEEEEEEE and I'm like "about damn time!"???And as far as the SNL pit band association, I'm not gonna stop listening to Eddie Floyd just 'cause some disco diva fucked up "Knock On Wood."
That's the whole problem. The players of "SNL cheese sax" are steady biting that 60s r'n'b sax tradition. David Sanborn, Tom Scott and the likes most likely adored King Curtis, Jr. Walker, Fathead et al, but they could never be anything but whitebread epigones. That doesn't make the OG players any less great. I'm not mad at that style if it's got soul. The biters just don't have it.
I think "Short Shorts" by the Royal Teens ("Who wears short shorts? We wear short shorts!") would work WAAAY better as an instrumental...there's some SICK Link Wray-ish power chording on the guitar, but you gotta get past those goofy vocals to get to it...
As a (lapsed) tenor sax player, I am shocked and appalled at all the sax-bashing in this thread. (But seriously, sometimes horn solos are just completely unnecessary.)
wtf how do people hate pop sax solos w/ sade and hall&oates
why listen to sade at all, dorks
I'm starting to wonder if your ears are painted on (like the old folks say), deej
"I Can't Go For That" - club/dance 12" which bumps until it is DESTROYED by flaccid parping, no call for that whatsoever (and I hate to imagine folks in the 80s dancing to that part too)
Listening to an early Sade album because you appreciate her spectacular voice and songwriting and getting full-on ASSAULTED by BS weaksauce 80s soundtrack sax on multiple tracks is just painful... to say its all right and natural is unacceptable
I am a jazz fan and can get into some early RnR/RnB sax soloing but aimless unimpressive pop solos and/or King Curtis/Jr Walker playing the vocal line w/sax style both send me into a violent rage
wtf how do people hate pop sax solos w/ sade and hall&oates
why listen to sade at all, dorks
I'm starting to wonder if your ears are painted on (like the old folks say), deej
"I Can't Go For That" - club/dance 12" which bumps until it is DESTROYED by flaccid parping, no call for that whatsoever (and I hate to imagine folks in the 80s dancing to that part too)
Listening to an early Sade album because you appreciate her spectacular voice and songwriting and getting full-on ASSAULTED by BS weaksauce 80s soundtrack sax on multiple tracks is just painful... to say its all right and natural is unacceptable
I am a jazz fan and can get into some early RnR/RnB sax soloing but aimless unimpressive pop solos and/or King Curtis/Jr Walker playing the vocal line w/sax style both send me into a violent rage
i think lite-sax is a part of the appeal, and i imagine it is for lots of people who think comparing pop-sax to coltrane is obtuse
Dudes, nothing kills a song, especially some mid 70s funk/disco jam, like some wailin' ass proto-Eddie Van Halen Wee-da-laaa-Weee-da-laaaa solo. Those six-stringed fools are killers.
EDIT: IT JUST DAWNED ON ME THAT I SAID THIS ALREADY. DECIDED NOT TO DELETE IT, 'CAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON MOTOWN SAX SOLOS, GOOD OR BAD (AND NOT COUNTING JUNIOR WALKER).[/b]
I would never bash the sax - the instrument in general is alright with me - but you know who used to have some WEAK saxophone breaks?
Motown. (Junior Walker excepted.)
They were always in the low register, never went anywhere, sounded like the cat played their first sax that day, and you wouldn't miss 'em.
The one example that comes to mind: the Supremes'"Where Did Our Love Go."
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I have this smoking King Curtis 45 on Trip at home called Soul Train (Parts 1 & 2) and it is
The horns are tight on that one.
No WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE like cars skidding a good song to a dead halt.
(or you don't like jazz
yeah but Chuck Higgins, Big Jay, Louis Jordon and the like did it SO much better and were SO LESS instrusive on the piece of music, they played around the tune not just dropping a turd in the punchbowl...and as far as SNL, I wasnt referring to the association, I was reffereing to the sound and style of that shit...you know neon signs reflected in the wet streets stuff...King and Jr. had this style that is nails on chalkboard to me.
That's the whole problem. The players of "SNL cheese sax" are steady biting that 60s r'n'b sax tradition. David Sanborn, Tom Scott and the likes most likely adored King Curtis, Jr. Walker, Fathead et al, but they could never be anything but whitebread epigones. That doesn't make the OG players any less great. I'm not mad at that style if it's got soul. The biters just don't have it.
Yea, I hear you on that one but the ending is almost perfect. I couldn't picture it ending any other way...
THIS IS NOTHING BUT A BITE OF THE RAPHAEL RAVENSCROFT STYLE
youre actually right, im only a sometimey jazz fan at best.
Raphael Ravenscroft?
Oaky, now we are blurring two totally, distinct sub-genres of
Candy is SEXY SAX.
Clarence Clemmons and Ranvenscroft are Rawk/Skwak Sax.
HIS OPUS
I think "Short Shorts" by the Royal Teens ("Who wears short shorts? We wear short shorts!") would work WAAAY better as an instrumental...there's some SICK Link Wray-ish power chording on the guitar, but you gotta get past those goofy vocals to get to it...
...and unnecessary bridges/bad choruses.
RE-EDIT!
Also, the flute is dope, dammit.
I'm starting to wonder if your ears are painted on (like the old folks say), deej
"I Can't Go For That" - club/dance 12" which bumps until it is DESTROYED by flaccid parping, no call for that whatsoever (and I hate to imagine folks in the 80s dancing to that part too)
Listening to an early Sade album because you appreciate her spectacular voice and songwriting and getting full-on ASSAULTED by BS weaksauce 80s soundtrack sax on multiple tracks is just painful... to say its all right and natural is unacceptable
I am a jazz fan and can get into some early RnR/RnB sax soloing but aimless unimpressive pop solos and/or King Curtis/Jr Walker playing the vocal line w/sax style both send me into a violent rage
MEGA SHRED
ALHAMBRA LIKE WHOA, BRA
THERE IS NONE OTHER
I FEEL THE BURN
BR>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgwETZKNPZc
I would never bash the sax - the instrument in general is alright with me - but you know who used to have some WEAK saxophone breaks?
Motown. (Junior Walker excepted.)
They were always in the low register, never went anywhere, sounded like the cat played their first sax that day, and you wouldn't miss 'em.
The one example that comes to mind: the Supremes'"Where Did Our Love Go."