Imus: The Rap Backlash

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  • jjfad027jjfad027 1,594 Posts
    If Imus worked for me, I would have fired him.

    So you're for censorship?

    Plaese be serious

    I am. Yes I believe Imus (and prod) exhibited a unacceptable level of ignorance. But if people don't like it they shouldn't listen. I don't think he should have been canned. Maybe suspended and some fines, but not fired. To me, it's unjust censorship.


    I'm not deffending Imus, just the first amendment.

  • TREWTREW 2,037 Posts


    There is no more personel accountability.....just excuses.

    but there are reasons why these things go down, acknowledging them doesn't mean you're an apologist.

    What you guys are doing is not "acknowledging the reasons why these things go down"--it's aggressively attempting to pin responsibility where it doesn't belong.

    i assume by 'you guys' you mean fakeass, and not myself or homie jroot who are both attempting to understand fakeass' point (which is quite valid when you read jroot's redux, although not necessarily pertinent to the imus discussion.)

    imus is racist for a reason (meaning he most likely didn't up and decide to be racist, it most likely originated in his mindset somewhere down the line)

    Yes, there is a reason. His parents were racists, his extended family probably includes plenty of racists. And he probably socializes with racists on a regular basis.


    looks like we're in agreement here. but again, fakeass seemed to be applying his theory to the overarching problem of racism, as well as imus' remarks.

    probably would've been better to address the 2 beasts separately.

    so how did this thread start again?

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    If Imus worked for me, I would have fired him.

    So you're for censorship?

    Plaese be serious

    I am. Yes I believe Imus (and prod) exhibited a unacceptable level of ignorance. But if people don't like it they shouldn't listen. I don't think he should have been canned. Maybe suspended and some fines, but not fired. To me, it's unjust censorship.


    I'm not deffending Imus, just the first amendment.

    No, you are not.

    The First Amendment does not afford anybody the inalienable right to a syndicated talk show.

    It addresses the government's ability to abridge the freedom of speech. It does not apply to private actors.

    It is honestly terrifying to me how little some people know about the Constitution. The less you know about your legal rights, the more easily they can be stripped from you.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    C.Dolores Oprah

    I hope Snoop has money in the bank .

    "Sumbody gots ta pay fa massuh losin his job"

  • jjfad027jjfad027 1,594 Posts
    If Imus worked for me, I would have fired him.

    So you're for censorship?

    Plaese be serious

    I am. Yes I believe Imus (and prod) exhibited a unacceptable level of ignorance. But if people don't like it they shouldn't listen. I don't think he should have been canned. Maybe suspended and some fines, but not fired. To me, it's unjust censorship.


    I'm not deffending Imus, just the first amendment.

    No, you are not.

    The First Amendment does not afford anybody the inalienable right to a syndicated talk show.

    It addresses the government's ability to abridge the freedom of speech. It does not apply to private actors.

    It is honestly terrifying to me how little some people know about the Constitution. The less you know about your legal rights, the more easily they can be stripped from you.

    OK. I still don't think he should have been censored.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts


    There is no more personel accountability.....just excuses.

    but there are reasons why these things go down, acknowledging them doesn't mean you're an apologist.

    What you guys are doing is not "acknowledging the reasons why these things go down"--it's aggressively attempting to pin responsibility where it doesn't belong.

    i assume by 'you guys' you mean fakeass, and not myself or homie jroot who are both attempting to understand fakeass' point (which is quite valid when you read jroot's redux, although not necessarily pertinent to the imus discussion.)

    No, I include you. I do not include JRoot, because his analysis was considerably more precise. And do you even know what "redux" means?

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    If Imus worked for me, I would have fired him.

    So you're for censorship?

    Plaese be serious

    I am. Yes I believe Imus (and prod) exhibited a unacceptable level of ignorance. But if people don't like it they shouldn't listen. I don't think he should have been canned. Maybe suspended and some fines, but not fired. To me, it's unjust censorship.


    I'm not deffending Imus, just the first amendment.

    No, you are not.

    The First Amendment does not afford anybody the inalienable right to a syndicated talk show.

    It addresses the government's ability to abridge the freedom of speech. It does not apply to private actors.

    It is honestly terrifying to me how little some people know about the Constitution. The less you know about your legal rights, the more easily they can be stripped from you.

    OK. I still don't think he should have been censored.

    He wasn't censored. He was fired.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    the first amendment.

    dude

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    OK. I still don't think he should have been censored.[/b]

    dude.

  • jjfad027jjfad027 1,594 Posts


    He wasn't censored. He was fired.


    How is that not censorship. Can someone explain?

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts


    He wasn't censored. He was fired.


    How is that not censorship. Can someone explain?

    If the FCC bannned his ass it would be censorship.

    The company he worked for fired him, which was just good business.

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts


    He wasn't censored. He was fired.


    How is that not censorship. Can someone explain?

    Rock said it. He cost his employer millions of dollars through sheer stupidity and ignorance.

    He wasn't arrested, or stopped from speaking his mind. He was fired. Canned. Given the pink slip. Walking papers. Do you understand the difference?

  • TREWTREW 2,037 Posts


    There is no more personel accountability.....just excuses.

    but there are reasons why these things go down, acknowledging them doesn't mean you're an apologist.

    What you guys are doing is not "acknowledging the reasons why these things go down"--it's aggressively attempting to pin responsibility where it doesn't belong.

    i assume by 'you guys' you mean fakeass, and not myself or homie jroot who are both attempting to understand fakeass' point (which is quite valid when you read jroot's redux, although not necessarily pertinent to the imus discussion.)

    No, I include you. I do not include JRoot, because his analysis was considerably more precise. And do you even know what "redux" means?

    o'rly? ok faux show me where i was "aggressively attempting to pin responsibility where it doesn't belong." if anything, i've been trying to cut fakeass some slack and not belittle his opinion because it differs from mine..

    sidenote: i'm sure 'precise' lawyerspeak is how you like to hear arguments, but this is a 'record collectors' forum. if you can't lower your standards, at least try to be less robotic in your replies.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts

    sidenote: i'm sure 'precise' lawyerspeak is how you like to hear arguments, but this is a 'record collectors' forum. if you can't raise[/b] your standards, at least try to be less robotic in your replies.

  • jjfad027jjfad027 1,594 Posts


    He wasn't censored. He was fired.


    How is that not censorship. Can someone explain?

    If the FCC bannned his ass it would be censorship.

    The company he worked for fired him, which was just good business.

    So if it isn't done by goverment it's not censorship


    The definitions I looked up didn't say anything about that.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts


    He wasn't censored. He was fired.


    How is that not censorship. Can someone explain?

    If the FCC bannned his ass it would be censorship.

    The company he worked for fired him, which was just good business.

    So if it isn't done by goverment it's not censorship


    The definitions I looked up didn't say anything about that.

    He can(and will) be back on the air when a company who doesn't mind the controversy will hire him.

    If it was censorship he wouldn't be allowed back on the air...that's not the case.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts


    There is no more personel accountability.....just excuses.

    but there are reasons why these things go down, acknowledging them doesn't mean you're an apologist.

    What you guys are doing is not "acknowledging the reasons why these things go down"--it's aggressively attempting to pin responsibility where it doesn't belong.

    i assume by 'you guys' you mean fakeass, and not myself or homie jroot who are both attempting to understand fakeass' point (which is quite valid when you read jroot's redux, although not necessarily pertinent to the imus discussion.)

    No, I include you. I do not include JRoot, because his analysis was considerably more precise. And do you even know what "redux" means?

    o'rly? ok faux show me where i was "aggressively attempting to pin responsibility where it doesn't belong." if anything, i've been trying to cut fakeass some slack and not belittle his opinion because it differs from mine..

    sidenote: i'm sure 'precise' lawyerspeak is how you like to hear arguments, but this is a 'record collectors' forum. if you can't lower your standards, at least try to be less robotic in your replies.

    TREW, if you want people to respect your contributions as those of an adult, then you're going to need to start behaving like one. If you are so hostile to the idea of precision, then don't get ass-hurt when people dismiss whatever you're trying--but failing--to say out of hand.

    Now, do you have a substantive rebuttal to anything I said? And, no, "I was just trying to cut dude some slack!" and "don't belittle me!" are not substantive.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts


    He wasn't censored. He was fired.


    How is that not censorship. Can someone explain?

    If the FCC bannned his ass it would be censorship.

    The company he worked for fired him, which was just good business.

    So if it isn't done by goverment it's not censorship


    The definitions I looked up didn't say anything about that.

    There is more than one definition, but it doesn't really matter.

    If you want to embrace the broader view of "censorship"--the one that includes private actors--then you also have to abandon the idea that it is inherently bad.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts


    He wasn't censored. He was fired.


    How is that not censorship. Can someone explain?

    If the FCC bannned his ass it would be censorship.

    The company he worked for fired him, which was just good business.

    So if it isn't done by goverment it's not censorship


    The definitions I looked up didn't say anything about that.

    He can(and will) be back on the air when a company who doesn't mind the controversy will hire him.

    He'll be on satellite radio within a month.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts

    So if it isn't done by goverment it's not censorship


    The definitions I looked up didn't say anything about that.

    dude.

  • jjfad027jjfad027 1,594 Posts


    He wasn't censored. He was fired.


    How is that not censorship. Can someone explain?

    If the FCC bannned his ass it would be censorship.

    The company he worked for fired him, which was just good business.

    So if it isn't done by goverment it's not censorship


    The definitions I looked up didn't say anything about that.

    There is more than one definition, but it doesn't really matter.

    If you want to embrace the broader view of "censorship"--the one that includes private actors--then you also have to abandon the idea that it is inherently bad.
    OK. I still think canning him was a bit much.
    BTW did that producer get fired too?

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    How was it "a bit much"?


  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts

    He can(and will) be back on the air when a company who doesn't mind the controversy will hire him.

    Nah ...he's done .....Sponsers wont support him on free radio .....Howard is at Sirius.....Too many black people at XM.

  • TREWTREW 2,037 Posts


    There is no more personel accountability.....just excuses.

    but there are reasons why these things go down, acknowledging them doesn't mean you're an apologist.

    What you guys are doing is not "acknowledging the reasons why these things go down"--it's aggressively attempting to pin responsibility where it doesn't belong.

    i assume by 'you guys' you mean fakeass, and not myself or homie jroot who are both attempting to understand fakeass' point (which is quite valid when you read jroot's redux, although not necessarily pertinent to the imus discussion.)

    No, I include you. I do not include JRoot, because his analysis was considerably more precise. And do you even know what "redux" means?

    o'rly? ok faux show me where i was "aggressively attempting to pin responsibility where it doesn't belong." if anything, i've been trying to cut fakeass some slack and not belittle his opinion because it differs from mine..

    sidenote: i'm sure 'precise' lawyerspeak is how you like to hear arguments, but this is a 'record collectors' forum. if you can't lower your standards, at least try to be less robotic in your replies.

    TREW, if you want people to respect your contributions as those of an adult, then you're going to need to start behaving like one. If you are so hostile to the idea of precision, then don't get ass-hurt when people dismiss whatever you're trying--but failing--to say out of hand.

    Now, do you have a substantive rebuttal to anything I said? And, no, "I was just trying to cut dude some slack!" and "don't belittle me!" are not substantive.

    faux, question my adult status if you like, but first back up your remark about how i was "aggressively attempting to pin responsibility where it doesn't belong." you can't run from your claims against me.. prove me wrong, i'm sure you've got it in you.

    2ndly, me ass-hurt? never that. it seems like you've got fakeass' posts and my attempts read b/w the lines of his posts confused. dismiss me all day if you feel the need.

    as for my sidenote, i'm not at all hostile to your precision, it's your strong point. but it seems to me that unless someone (myself and most others who you argue with) is meeting your standards with their replies (and this applies to 98% of arguments you have here,) you're quick to write them off however valid their arguements. i get that this is how your profession rolls, but again, not everyone here is a lawyer, or argues like one.

    ps. "don't belittle me"? laugh out fucking loud.. who said that?

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    OK. I still think canning him was a bit much.

    Why, Casper ?

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts

    He can(and will) be back on the air when a company who doesn't mind the controversy will hire him.

    Nah ...he's done .....Sponsers wont support him on free radio .....Howard is at Sirius.....Too many black people at XM.

    Team him up with Miss Kitty.....radio gold!!

  • jjfad027jjfad027 1,594 Posts
    How was it "a bit much"?


    I don't think they needed to fire him. But it's not my company so I guess it doesn't really matter.

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    How was it "a bit much"?


    I don't think they needed to fire him. But it's not my company so I guess it doesn't really matter.

    He lost them millions of dollars
    He pissed off millions of people

    Sounds to me like he needed to get fired

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts


    I don't think they needed to fire him. But it's not my company so I guess it doesn't really matter.




    Why not Casper ?

    And yes.... your opinion does matter.

  • izm707izm707 1,107 Posts
    Raven is so fugly...i have the right to say that. I think. I hope.
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