This Jonestown Doc on PBS is FACEMELT
kitchenknight
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Man. American Experience is showing an episode on Jonestown, with survivors of guyana, etc. Fucking crazy. Makes 'Lost,' look like, "According to Jim".Keep your eyes peeled, y'all. Fascinating and frightening, and not to be missed.And, timmy thomas, 'why can't we live together,' is used as well.(and, yes, i've seen jim jones old college dorm. my mom was a faculty advisor there, years later.)
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"I met Jim Jones when my monkey hung itself, and he sold me a replacement."
yeah, caught it last night. it was really amazing. in depth interviews with some people who escaped into the jungle instead of drank the kool aid.
the fact that jonestown was actually created in the middle of the jungle and was largely self-sufficient is pretty amazing. it's a shame that such a thing had to be created by an insane mass murderer.
do not sleep.
Don't tell Danno...
It's okay, it's public television.
Speaking of which, I call shenanigans on the Kitchen
Knight - who married into Public Television this past
year, and proceeded to start a monthly thread about
a new PBS program ever since. Shit is like Dianetics.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0762111/
if so i saw it in the theater and
i remember seeing that powers booth as jim jones docudrama as a kid and being SHOOK.
(actually, powers booth is one scary muhfuka to this day)
it got so bad that i stopped drinking kool-aid that i didn't make.
until i heard dipset, i thought they were on some nouveau-horrorcore shit,
because of "jim jones", but then i heard them and didn't really care.
regardless, i forgot this was on tonight, and will seek it out. mahalo!
PBS is hittin'; but LOST rules our television. She's gonna have to go to a friend with TiVo to catch this weeks.
Give in to the power of the tea...
Yup. Unfortunately, it's not up on our site for viewing, but if you're looking to kill some time at work, you can watch full episodes of Frontline online here.
Dolo - wherever you are - you might want to check some of these out. They're filled with quality journalism about current politics and feature, you know, facts and other outlandish shit.
Oh, I forgot to mention, look in the top right corner of the page, where it says "Frontline On Demand."
Ill. Unfortunately, I can't find the Drug Wars one. I really want to see that.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/
Awesome rapper name tho...
Yeah, they're not all up yet. There are a few drug-related ones, like the Meth Epidemic and Medicating Kids, but not the one you're looking for.
For those who think it's some boring old PBS crap, check out the ones on porn, drugs, terrorism, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, and lifestyle marketing to teenagers. The archive.
heard a nickname that would be a good rapper name yesterday (or a good DJ name)
Death Row Tull
I was curious who would win the popularity contest for the first page of google's "Jim Jones"
1. Reverend
2. Rapper
3. Rapper
4. Reverend
5. Rapper
6. Reverend
7. Reverend
8. Rapper
9. Reverend
10. Reverend
Reverend wins 6 to 4 I guess. Good doc too - I'm watchin it right now. Real sad though.
Jonestown
The Jonestown Genocide by Robert Sterling
Jonestown (Project Blue) : The Whole Story by Gunther Russbacher
Militia Leader Talks, Bo Gritz Interrogated by Adam Parfrey
[1995] Who Was Jim Jones? By Jason Jeffrey
Chapter Three [ THE FALSE MEMORY HOAX] Psychic Dictatorship in the U.S.A. By Alex Constantine
Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment?: A Review of the Evidence by Michael Meiers
WHAT THE MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU: JIM JONES WAS A CIA OPERATIVE CONDUCTING MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENTS
The Jonestown Jenocide by Robert Sterling
Thorazine was used regularly at the CIA???s Jonestown , Guyana group control experiment. Survivors of Jonestown have testified as to its effectiveness. After this gruesome experiment in mind control came to its end with a massacre, large amounts of drugs were discovered. Just one footlocker at Jonestown alone contained 11,000 doses. The authorities prevented chemical autopsies of the bodies to insure secrecy of this sophisticated concentration camp which was used for medical and psychiatric experimentation by the CIA. An examination of the drugs that are used in mental hospitals to alter the minds of patients offers a clear indication of what is being used in the Monarch Mind Control programming. The Illuminati Formula 3. THE USE OF DRUGS
On page 584, Col. Gritz outlines the true story of the Jonestown, Guyana, camp massacre, and how Jonestown was actually a tightly-run concentration camp, complete with medical and psychiatric experimentation, run with the assistance of the CIA. The people who died didn't drink cyanide-laced Kool-Aid, as reported; half of them were cold-bloodedly murdered by hypodermic injection in the camp, and the other half who fled into the jungle were deliberately hunted down and shot in cold blood by British and American Special Forces troops. Col. Gritz spoke to an embittered SF Sergeant who'd taken part in the operation, and who subsequently wrote a book on the experience, entitled, "All The Niggers Are Dead!" When Col. Gritz asked him to explain the crudeness of that name, he replied, "Sir, that's what they were. Both blacks and whites were niggers; that's what any slave is; that's what they were. That was our final radio message when the job we were assigned was finished. " (From the book CALLED TO SERVE, by Special Forces Lt.Colonel "Bo " Gritz, 1991, p. 524.)
"A few weeks ago there was a report out of Montreal about people winning cases against the CIA because they were utterly abused in the mental health clinic that was set up by the CIA in Canada. That all came down under Allen Dulles tried to make a Manchurian Candidate. I think the Jonestown incident was an extension of In Search of the Manchurian Candidate, I think those people were conditioned to act in certain ways and would have probably just moved from Montreal to Guyana, in this case. You look at Jim Jones' background carefully, he had a lot of intelligence contact there for doing exactly what he did.........It escalated once they killed congressman Leo J. Ryan; basically, they had no other way to go, so they just tried to self-destruct the whole mission. And that means the death of hundreds of people. As I point out in the book, the medical examiner there made some startling statements, and we wouldn't even allow the bodies to be properly examined when they were brought back in to the East Coast and turned in. So obviously it was a cover-up. Jonestown I think was an extension of Mk-Ultra from the CIA and there are probably other experiments going on........I think the Special Forces units were pulled together as an exterminator after it had reached a point where they had to destroy the evidence."--Bo Gritz Interrogated by Adam Parfrey
"I hope it is becoming clear to you the various levels that are used by the Intel community to get their job done. Remember Jonestown? It was one of ours that went sour because a "Clear Eyes" was in the group. "When he, the "Clear Eyes", began firing on the runway, it all self destructed. Congressman Leo Ryan, who was killed, knew it was a government operation. The "Clear Eyes" was accidentally, through a lone sequence, activated! There was no way to stop the killings. All members of the cult were programmed to at least level 3. There were only 3 deaths attributable to cyanide, the rest died of gunfire. Now you know little more about our line of work. I am glad I am out of it." Gunther Russbacher
Jonestown was a CIA experiment to determine whether it was possible to establish a large mind-controlled slave labor force. Jim Jones was a CIA operative and former Housing Commissioner for San Francisco. Ukiah District Attorney Tim Stone was assigned the task of procuring state mental patients and transferring their guardianship to the Peoples Temple. Assisting Jones was former police chief Dan Mitrioni, a contract CIA operative, who previously had instructed Brazilian and Bolivian security personnel in advanced torture interrogation techniques. Prior to the purchase of the Guyana property, the entire staff of the Mendocino State Mental Hospital were dismissed and replaced by Jim Jones's personnel. According to mind-control survivors, Josef Mengele programmed inmates there, at that time period. One member of Jones's staff at Mendocino was allegedly the mother of O.J. Simpson. Perhaps this explains why one psychologist, very experienced in observing mind-control survivors, noted that during Simpson's trial, he displayed symptoms of alter-personality switching. STOP MISLEADING the CHILDREN, MR. JENNINGS by Brian Desborough
Regardless, the documentary affected more than any movie I've seen in a long time. As someone stated earlier, the whole story is just so goddamn sad, and tragic...
Reenactments in documentaries. As the PBS doc showed, there is plenty of compelling historic footage and survivors willing to tell their story.
Even when historic footage is available most documentations resort to reenactments. Makes it seem more like TV, thus more real.
I think if there are reenactments it becomes a docu-drama and ceases to be a credible documentary.
I am leaving the Coalition To Stop Continental Drift to join Reenactments Out of Documentaries (ROD). Who is with me?
the re-dramatization was very well done. and it was still interspersed with survivor interviews narrating the story.
still need to see this documentary. godammit! very long wait on the netflix queu.
Does anybody have the audio of that speech where Jim Jones is freaking out? I need that. The one where hes saying "love is the only message... Bullshit!" And making jungle calls, the crowd going nuts... Super spooky audio.
Someone hook me up, please.
Peace...
FNM
There's a two-hour episode of Frontline that's basically a history of Saudi Arabia. It's really interesting and informative and helps put a lot of things into perspective.
http://www.archive.org/details/ptc1978-11-18.flac16
Unfortunately, our focus groups have found that people tend to think that the documentaries they've seen on PBS were actually on The History Channel. Shitty branding is what it boils down to, but c'mon - The American Experience was the blueprint for The History Channel.
But then, Julia Child has become The Food Network.
This Old House and The Victory Garden? HGTV.
But it's easier to pay a few no-name actors to dramatize than to do actual research and journalism. But you know that, as a journalist. It's akin to the difference between hard news and commentary. It costs money to send journalists out into the field, but its cheap as hell to get a few idiots with attitude in the same room and have them yell at each other for a half hour.
cheers
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