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Anyone get down with ol' L. Ron or know someone who does? I think we've had this thread before, but I was doing some reading the other night and am pretty fascinated with the whole thing. DON'T BE SCURRED, REP YO THETAN
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shits hilarious, problem is now they are sending me mail.
Dr. Gene kicked his ass.
There's alot of interesting things to talk to about, but I want to wait and see if anyone posts who's for it.
I remember once he got a fax from his church that was an "agreement" to stay in the church for the next 3000 years. And he signed that shit. I was out!
ick.
Anyways, was this religion created because of a bet L. Ron did with some dude to see who could make a religion?
years
the ultimte premise is sci fi
from "operation clambake"
http://www.xenu.net/
n 1967, L. Ron Hubbard raised a private navy, appointed himself Commodore, donned a dashing uniform of his own design and set forth on an extraordinary odyssey, leading a fleet of ships across the oceans variously pursued by the CIA, the FBI, the international press and a miscellany of suspicious government and maritime agencies.
Former Scientologist and Sea Org member of 16 years, Jesse Prince was a senior executive in the Religious Technology Center, Scientology's top management and trademark organization. Jesse Prince left the Sea Org in 1992 and he now actively assists former and current Scientologists to recover from their experiences in Scientology. In his first affidavit Jesse Prince writes:
The Sea Organization is the actual nexus that controls the scientology empire. Sea Organization personnel are authorized to take over and control scientology organizations and to demote personnel, move bank accounts and run the corporation as if the SO personnel were employees or representatives of that corporation but they are not.
The Deputy Inspector Generals who head the IG Network which locates and handles infiltration and suppression in Scientology
While busy "researching" OT3 Hubbard was kicked out of Rhodesia in 1967 and flew to Las Palmas. In a letter to his third wife Mary Sue he writes "I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys." People who cared for him at the time say they were astonished that he was existing "almost totally on a diet of drugs" and obsessed with removing his body-thetans (BTs). BTs are confused spirits of space aliens killed on earth 75 million years ago. They cling to human bodies and can only be exorcised by applying Scientology.
Hubbard appointed a special crew on the ship the Enchanter and called it the Sea Project. The British government started an investigation into Hubbard's activities and he needed a plan to escape the authorities. Lots of money was at this point transferred to Hubbard from the Church of Scientology. The Sea Project became the Sea Organisation (today also known as Sea Org or just SO). While on Las Palmas Hubbard finished off OT3 and called it "the Wall of Fire". Hubbard claimed: "The material involved in this sector is so vicious that it is carefully arranged to kill anyone if he discovers the exact truth of it...I am very sure that I was the first one that ever did live through any attempt to attain that material."
FSO Sea Org flag parade in 1996
Sea Org members got exited about the OT3 discovery as the news spread. Hubbard was going to use the Mothership to escape from Earth. The ship was protected by atomic warheads. It awaited the return of a great leader, and there were rumors about a "Space Org." Soon after, Hubbard moved with his top Aides to the Royal Scotman, which became the Flagship of the Sea Org fleet. Scientologists called it simply "Flag".
In the beginning Sea Org crew had a six month contract but this was changed to a billion years. A contract that is still in use today. Crew were given high ranks on the ship, even though most were completely unskilled in operating a ship at sea. They wore pseudo-naval uniforms, a tradition upheld with glamour today as the pictures on this page document.
Scientology parade in Los Angeles in 1998
The Advanced Orgs (AOs) were the only organisation in the cult to deliver the Operating Thetan levels and from the beginning AOs were supposed to be run by Sea Org members only.
In 1968 Ethics was introduced in Sea Org. Crew were put into a chain-locker as punishment. A chain-locker is "a dark hole where the anchor chains are stored; cold, wet and rats," to quote one ex-Sea Org officer. A crew member that was put on ethics could spend up to two weeks in the tiny hole. Former Scientologists who served as crew together with Hubbard in the early years remember a five years old deaf and mute child being locked up in the chain-locker. Hubbard said she was not to leave the chain locker until she completed the formula by writing her name. Another witness claims that a three-year-old was once put in the locker.
Hubbard published the purpose of the Class VIII course: "It's up to the Auditor to become UNCOMPROMISINGLY STANDARD... an uncompromising zealot for Standard Tech." Sea Org "Missions" were dispatched to all corners of the world to bully Org staffs into higher production. Hubbard pronounced that such "Missions" had "unlimited Ethics powers."
In the Advanced Orgs in Edinburgh and Los Angeles, staff were ordered to wear all-white uniforms, with silver boots, to mimic the Galactic Patrol of seventy-five million years before. According to Hubbard's Flag Order 652, mankind would accept regulation from that group which had last betrayed it. So the Sea Org were to ape the instigators of the OT3 incident. By the same token, all the book covers were revised to show scenes from the supposedly lethal incident.
"Captain" Bill Robertson, who introduced the uniforms to both Edinburgh and Los Angeles, also ordered a nightwatch in Los Angeles. The crew assembled on the roof every night to watch for the spaceships of Hubbard's enemies.
The top of Scientology at their new year event in 1987. From the left: Captain Ray Mithoff, Captain Greg Wilhere, Captain Marc yager, Captain David Miscavige, Commander Norman Starkey, Captain Guillaume Leserve and Captain Mark Ingber
Soon afterwards, an Inquiry started in South Africa. Hubbard turned his back on the "wog" world, and concentrated on introducing a new form of Dianetics, and integrating it into the Scientology "Bridge." He issued a bizarre order to the Sea Org, called "Zones of Action," which outlined his plans. Scientology was going to take over those areas controlled by Smersh (the fictitious evil organization fought by the equally fictitious James Bond), rake in enormous amounts of cash, clean up psychotherapy, infiltrate and reorganize every minority group, and befriend the worst enemies of the Western nations. Hubbard's stated intention was to undermine a supposed Fascist conspiracy to rule the world.
Hubbard had three vessels, Apollo (formly known as the Scotsman), Athena and yacht Diana, and during the last months of 1968 all three joined up in Corfu, Greece. The ships were berthed in Corfu when people were first being tossed into the harbor. Hubbard was just really rabid and yelling and screaming a lot. For some time
Student being thrown overboard for gross "out tech"
throwing violators of Hubbard's rules over the side of the ship ("overboarding" them) became a Sea Org tradition. Usually they were thrown off the tween (second) deck, but there were a couple of occasions when they went off the promenade deck (some 25 feet above the water). There were rules written by Hubbard in a "Flag Order" which listed orders of severity of overboarding, such as: from which deck, should the person be blindfolded, and should his hands or feet be tied.
At first the relationship with the military junta in Greece went well, but when Hubbard published an article about democracy in a Greek newspaper he was ordered out in March 1969. It would appear that Hubbard also, in fact, had little appreciation for the idea of democracy. He had written in 1965 "And I don't see that popular measures, self-abnegation and democracy have done anything for Man but push him further into the mud... democracy has given us inflation and income tax." He had already been kicked out of Hull in England, and when they tried to pull into Gibraltar they were denied entry there, and then later there was also some mess in Spain.
So Hubbard decided to disconnect from land and go out and float for as long as the emergency stores would last and just get the scene together. They did that for about two months off the coast of Morocco. During this "disconnection cruise" Hubbard had a heart attack on the bridge.
Susan Meister was introduced to Scientology in San Francisco in the autumn of 1970. By November, she was working at the San Francisco Org. She was an eager convert, and tried to persuade her parents to become Scientologists. She wanted to be close to the "Founder," and contribute to "Clearing the Planet," so in February 1971 she joined the Sea Org. By the end of the month she was aboard the "Flagship" Apollo. Her stay there was brief and tragic. On May 8, she wrote to her mother:
Mother,
Do you recall talking to me about WW III - and where it would start if it were to start - father and most everyone else maintained that it would start in either China or Russia vs. U.S. and you said - oh no - it would originate in Germany - that the Nazis hadn't given up yet - ? Well babe, you were right - there is a new Nazi resurgence taking place in Germany - so now it's a race between the good guys in the white hats (Scientologists) [sic] and the Leipzig death camp (Nazis) [sic] the bad guys in the black hats - we'll win of course - but the game is exciting. Truth is stranger than fiction. As Alice [in Wonderland] says "Things get curiouser and curiouser!" Get into Scientology now. It's fantastic.
Love, Susan
Four days later, Susan Meister wrote this letter:
Dear Family,
Click to enlarge Susan Meister's letter to her family
I just had a session an auditing session
I feel great! Great GREAT!
and my life is EXPANDING
EXPANDING
and it's All Hurry Up: Hurry, Hurry
SCIENTOLOGY
Be a friend to yourselves
Get into this stuff Now -
It's more precious than gold
it's the best thing that's
_ever_ever_ever_ever_ come
along. Love, Susan
Her last letter to her parents from the Apollo was dated June 1971. In it she thanked them for a birthday card, and a variety of gifts, including a new dress. She continued, showing the effect upon a young and impressionable mind Hubbard's obsession with the "great conspiracy" against him:
I can't tell you exactly where we are. We have enemies who are profiting from peoples' ignorance and lack of self-determinism and do not wish to see us succeed in restoring freedom and self-determinism to this planet's people. If these people were to find out where we are located - they would attempt to destroy us. Therefore, we are not allowed to say where this ship is located.
She once more urged her mother to read Hubbard's books, and take Scientology courses. Ten days after writing the letter, Susan was dead.
LIFE IN SO
# An Orders of the Day mentioning Susan Meister's boyfriend Amos Jessup. Dated two months after her death.
# Another Order of the Day from 1989
Her father travelled to Morocco to see his daughter and bring her home for the funeral. But the body had curiously disappeared from the morgue. The local police showed him pictures of his daughter allegedly having shot herself onboard Apollo. It was a mystery how Susan could possibly have shoot herself in the center of her forehead with the long barreled revolver. She would have had to hold it with both hands at arms length. There were no powder burns on her forehead, which certainly would have been the case if the gun was against her forehead as it would have to be to shoot herself as the photograph appeared.
Hubbard, who was onboard Apollo at the time, refused to meet with Susan's father, but upon departure back to America George Meister received a strange offer for settlement from the Apollo. When he refused he was threatened by strange men coming up to him at the airport saying "We are watching you and so are the CIA and the FBI."
The body was eventually found and returned to the family, but before it arrived the local Health Authority, in Colorado, received an anonymous letter claiming there has been a Cholera epidemic in Morocco and this might be the cause of Susan Meister's death. It looked like a desperate attempt to stop further investigation into the cause of death.
The Apollo crew went on establishing a land base, called the Tours Reception Center, in Morocco in 1971. They were trying to get into the king's favor, and started training government officials, including Moroccan Intelligence agents, in Scientology techniques. Officials were put on the E-meter and Security-Checked by French-speaking Sea Org members. From his villa in Morocco, in March 1972, the Commodore explained his twelve point "Governing Policy" for finance. Points A and J were the same: "MAKE MONEY." Point K was "MAKE MORE MONEY." And the last point, L, was "MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MONEY." At last, an honest admission of this major plank of Hubbard's philosophy.
Inspector General Representatives
The Apollo sailed from Morocco to Portugal in October, for repairs. Hubbard and a contingent of Sea Org members stayed behind. Morocco was as close as Hubbard ever came to having the ear of a government, but relations broke down. In the Scientology world, there is a rumor that the upset had something to do with Moroccan Intelligence, which does lend a certain mystique. A secret Guardian's Office investigation revealed a more prosaic error, however. In 1971, Hubbard had reintroduced Heavy Ethics, and Scientologists continued to use the Ethics Conditions. For being persistently late for their Scientology courses, members of the Moroccan Post Office were assigned a condition of "Treason." To the Moroccans, "Treason," no matter how much it was word-cleared, meant only one thing: execution. The Post Office officials set themselves against the Scientologists, and won. As a grim footnote, the Moroccan official who had negotiated with the Scientologists was later executed for treason. The contacts with Intelligence had actually been with a faction which was to fail in an attempted coup d'etat. The panic, starting from Hubbard's typically exaggerated use of a simple word, ended with an order for the Scientologists to quit Morocco, in December 1972. Hubbard himself was given only twenty-four hours. He flew to Lisbon, and then secretly on to New York.
In November 1973, the Apollo was in Tenerife. Hubbard went for a joyride into the hills on one of his motorbikes. The bike skidded on a hairpin bend, hurling the Commodore onto the gravel. He was badly hurt, but somehow managed to walk back to the ship. He refused a doctor, and his medical orderly, Jim Dincaici, was surprised at his demands for painkillers. Hubbard turned on him, and said "You're trying to kill me." Kima Douglas took Dincalci's place. She thinks Hubbard had broken an arm and three ribs, but could not get close enough to find out. With Hubbard strapped into his chair, the Apollo put to sea, encountering a Force 5 gale. The Commodore screamed in agony, and the screaming did not stop for six weeks.
Sea Org with swords in 1998
In Douglas' words: "He was revolting to be with - a sick, crotchety, pissed-off old man, extremely antagonistic to everything and everyone. His wife was often in tears and he'd scream at her at the top of his lungs, `Get out of here!' Nothing was right. He'd throw his food across the room with his good arm; I'd often see plates splat against the bulkhead... He absolutely refused to see another doctor. He said they were all fools and would only make him worse. The truth was that he was terrified of doctors and that's why everyone had to be put through such hell."
While on the mend, Hubbard introduced his latest innovation in Ethics Technology: the "Rehabilitation Project Force" (RPF). This became Scientology's equivalent to imprisonment, with more than a tinge of the Chinese Ideological Re-education Center. In theory the RPF deals with Sea Org members who consistently fail to make good. They are put o n physical labor, and spend several hours each day confessing their overts (transgressions), and revealing their Evil Purposes.
Life in the Sea Org was already fairly gruelling, but the Rehabilitation Project Force went several steps further. Gerry Armstrong, who spent over two years on the RPF, has given this description:
It was essentially a prison to which crew who were considered nonproducers, security risks, or just wanted to leave the Sea Org, were assigned. Hubbard's RPF policies established the conditions.
RPF members were segregated and not allowed to communicate to anyone else. They had their own spaces and were not allowed in normal crew areas of the ship. They ate after normal crew had eaten, and only whatever was left over from the crew meal. Their berthing was the worst on board, in a roach-infested, filthy and unventilated cargo hold. They wore black boilersuits, even in the hottest weather. They were required to run everywhere. Discipline was harsh and bizarre, with running laps of the ship assigned for the slightest infraction like failing to address a senior with "Sir." Work was hard and the schedule rigid with seven hours sleep time from lights out to lights on, short meal breaks, no liberties and no free time...
When one young woman ordered into the RPF took the assignment too lightly, Hubbard created the RPF's RPF and assigned her to it, an even more degrading experience, cut off even from the RPF, kept under guard, forced to clean the ship's bilges, and allowed even less sleep.
Flag Class XII auditors
Others verify Armstrong's account. The RPF rapidly swelled to include anyone who had incurred Hubbard's disfavor. Soon about 150 people, almost a third of the Apollo's complement, were being "rehabilitated". This careful imitation of techniques long-used by the military to obtain unquestioning obedience and immediate compliance to orders, or more simply to break men's spirits, was all part of a ritual of humiliation for the Sea Org member.
By creating the Sea Org, and taking to the international waters, Hubbard had successfully put himself beyond the law. Officially he never again went ashore but died in USA in 1986 where he had lived in hiding for several years.
This has inexplicably become a wall record at certain NYC spots.
like 40 bucks at academy?
Take card day, that's how it starts...Months later you are in L.A. cruising with Cruise while your computer is computing.
It had some plausibility as a kind of 'self-help' method - 'clearing' oneself of negative subconcious impulses that are a result of extreme trauma (injuries, intoxication, emotional, etc.)
But then it turned all weird basically stating that all our problems start in the womb as a result of our filthy cheating slutty mothers having extramarital affairs. In a nutshell:
- mom has affair while pregnant
- the sex act 'traumatizes' the fetus
- during traumatized state, fetus hears mom's lover saying "don't tell anyone about this...
- which then gets implanted into fetus' subconcious as a negative impulse
- which manifests itself in the child having a stuttering problem.
And for the Mike Davis reference, in City of Quartz he talks about how L. Ron was an apprentice to a Satanic priest (who was also a big Hollywood studio honcho) back in the 40s or so. L. Ron was boffing the priest's wife, and the priest knew about it. So as a test of his loyalty, the priest got L. Ron to pick up a 'lady of the night' so they could impregnate her during a ceremony and thus bring forth the anti-christ. Well, the ceremony never got completed as the priest's mansion exploded in a ball of flame, and L. Ron was the only survivor. The case was never solved, and shortly thereafter, L. Ron wrote Dianetics and founded Scientology.
p.s. - I don't think Beck is a scientologist anymore. his ex-wife was, and I heard/read somewhere that he dropped that shit after they divorced.
i mean look at them...
they're all idiots.
Too easy.
So no one is gonna cop to getting their thetan audited or whatever?
In 1978, a number of Scientologists including L. Ron Hubbard's wife Mary Sue Hubbard (who was second in command in the organization at the time) were convicted of perpetrating the largest incident of domestic espionage in the history of the United States[/b]. Called "Operation Snow White" within the Church, this involved infiltrating, wiretapping, and stealing documents from the offices of Federal attorneys and the Internal Revenue Service. The judge who convicted Mrs. Hubbard and ten accomplices described their attempt to plead freedom of religion in defense:
It's truly beyond comprehension how anyone would be a part of this. Their power and the extent that they go to dead any kind of dissent or negative publicity is insane.
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The Beck thing is really weird for me.
From Mellow Gold to Midnight Vultures I was fully down with the Beck catalog. I mean the records weren't perfect - but he was happenin. Anyone see the Odelay tour? That band was ill!
But then around Sea change - i could tell something was off. The record wasn't bad - but when i saw him with the Flaming Lips backing him- he just sort of sucked? The Lips were backing him and kind of blew him off the stage - so i chalked it up to that. then i saw a secret show for the Guero record. This new band was such bad "white funk" - i couldn't deal. The last 2 records were pretty weak and now I'm sort of 2nd guessing his whole back catalog. I think I blame Scientology. Not cool - I know- but something changed.
Except for :
This still holds up for me.
L Ron Hubbard is apparently quoted as saying "The only way to make money in this life is to start a religion"
Ok, one paragraph plaese.. go!!!
Two of my favourite vids EVAR.... TOM is right!!!!! - What a condescending bag of DOUCHE!!!
Hahaha, i hope you're kidding...
Elmore Leonard
Battlefield Earth
John Travolta tried to make a movie based on a L. Ron Hubbard Sci-fi book.
However, the basic idea is that you have problems and you need help. Scientology can help you if you pay
Ouch! ............... My bad!
75 million years ago, evil Lord Xenu chained a bunch of aliens from all over the galaxy to volcanoes on Earth, then made all the volcanoes erupt by setting off an H-bomb. The aliens' spirits, called Thetans, then roamed Earth like a bunch of goddamn hippies, eventually latching on to humans (like a bunch of goddamn hippies) and causing basically every human malady you can think of (like a bunch of goddamn hippies), including, but not limited to, self doubt, depression, anxiety, stress, sadness, infidelity, alcoholism or addiction of any kind, and, most likely, goddamn hippies. The only way to be happy, healthy, and productive is to root out those Thetans, and the only way to do that is to join Scientology and shovel all your money into "audits" (where they check your Thetan level and help you expel those damn dirty hippie alien spirits) and L. Ron Hubbard books.
eff Scientology, this is that new schitt:
http://www.thesecret.tv/
Personally, I'm an atheist... 3rd generation on both sides of the family, but I've always respected people's choice of religion and faith as long as they don't try and convert me. But Scientology?! It's too ridiculous to even respect as a choice because it's really just a Marketing scheme.
Ummmmm...... fuck. The world we occupy is one deluded-ass place.
Thanks for the braekdown.
yeah...when i heard Jason Lee was down with them...definite WTF moment.
[conspiracy theory]
my personal thoughts towards all these media darlings going to scientology has to do with becoming immortalized. i mean...if you are Tom Cruise, and have all the money and fame in the world, the only thing out there left is to be immortalized. what better way to attract those types of people by saying ...."hey dog 1,000 years from now when Scientology is actually considered a legitimate religion, you will be a fucking prophet and people will be praying to your name"
i mean, not to defend scientology, but pretty much all religions sound goofy to people. you know the first christians were probably laughed at prior to being thrown to the lions.
pyramid scheme aside (and lets be honest, how many big religions are really void of crazy money) scientology could very well be a legitimate religion hundreds and thousands of years from now. and don't think Tom Cruise doesn't know that. Only thing better that being immortalized on film is being immortalized in prayer.
[/conspiracy theory]
that's not really a "conspiracy." and it actually sounds like a sound explanation of things.
You've got to watch the South Park episode where Tom is trapped in the closet. Brilliant break down of Scientology with visuals and completely true.
yeah what is up with that! everything hes done has been so on point , u would think that this guy would not b fooled by this gimmick of a religon
he still gets the alright with me pass, unlike most of the others
y'all talk like you know him. I guess dude is different from the characters he plays on TV/movies. imagine that.
Dude,
just watch the southpark episode.