[Gore spokesman] Kreider said Gore purchases enough energy from renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas to balance 100 percent of his electricity costs.
I think that is pretty legit - basically, he is pumping in enough renewable energy into the power system to offset his consumption. In most markets (perhaps all) you cannot choose where you get your power from. So if he is paying for renewable energy companies to produce enough power to offset what he is using, that seems fair to me. Sure he could use less, but if he is going to use as much as he is, this seems like a "green" way to do it...
[Gore spokesman] Kreider said Gore purchases enough energy from renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas to balance 100 percent of his electricity costs.
I think that is pretty legit - basically, he is pumping in enough renewable energy into the power system to offset his consumption. In most markets (perhaps all) you cannot choose where you get your power from. So if he is paying for renewable energy companies to produce enough power to offset what he is using, that seems fair to me. Sure he could use less, but if he is going to use as much as he is, this seems like a "green" way to do it...
yes its a green way to use more energy than everybody else to run your giant home, and to use more each month while at the same time telling everyone else to use less.
so essentially a system will just develope where rich people who can afford energy using devices will have to pay poor people for the credits that they will never use. And all this transfer of wealth will occur to satisfy some unproven scientific theory. It sounds more like social engineering than science.
Get your comprehension game up. Saying your argument is wrong because youre gay is an example circumstantial ad hominem. I didnt offer the observation that global warming is a myth to attempt to discredit it. I did so because that is what it is.
Perhaps your comprehension game is lacking. If you wanted to call me out for something, I would even concede that the ???No True Scotsman??? fallacy (a version of the fallacy of the undistributed middle - don???t worry you???ll get into that sophomore year) might not be completely applicable here, but since I was pointing out that an individual with a penchant for logical fallacies calling out another person for committing one is comedy.
As far as quoting ???catostrophic global warming is a myth propogated by socialists??? In 2004, the Pentagon provided a report to the current administration on the 'possibilities' of global climate change and the 'possible' national security problems that may result. It was cosigned by such ???socialists??? as Bob Watson, head of the World Bank. Parse the words ???climate change??? and 'global warming' if you like, but know that the terms ???myth??? and ???socialist??? keep your arguments wide open to the same criticisims.
So, perhaps when your game is sufficiently stepped up, I???ll look for your informed opinion on the matter. Until then, keep reading that digicam manual and get them pictures posted to win Rockadelic???s prize.
What do you mean you would concede that the no true scotsman fallacy may not be completely applicable? it isnt applicable in the slightest and you made yourself look like an idiot by using terms you dont understand.
Al Gore uses twenty times as much energy as the average American Gore has a house roughly twenty times as big as the average American Americans with houses 1/20th the size can still be in the same usage class as Gore Gore owns 500k in Occidental Petroleum Company stock, a company which (with Gore's blessing) drilled for oil on Indian burial grounds, possibly extincting a number of species The president of the think tank responsible for this is from conservative Think Tank American Enterprise Institute Gore buys from renewable energy sources that cost him (voluntarily) almost $6,000 extra per year, roughly 50% of the overall bill
Al Gore uses twenty times as much energy as the average American Gore has a house roughly twenty times as big as the average American Americans with houses 1/20th the size can still be in the same usage class as Gore Gore owns 500k in Occidental Petroleum Company stock, a company which (with Gore's blessing) drilled for oil on Indian burial grounds, possibly extincting a number of species The president of the think tank responsible for this is from conservative Think Tank American Enterprise Institute Gore buys from renewable energy sources that cost him (voluntarily) almost $6,000 extra per year, roughly 50% of the overall bill
You left out one important one....
Gore uses more energy today than he did before he made "An Inconvient Truth" even though he lives in the same home.
Al Gore uses twenty times as much energy as the average American Gore has a house roughly twenty times as big as the average American Americans with houses 1/20th the size can still be in the same usage class as Gore Gore owns 500k in Occidental Petroleum Company stock, a company which (with Gore's blessing) drilled for oil on Indian burial grounds, possibly extincting a number of species The president of the think tank responsible for this is from conservative Think Tank American Enterprise Institute Gore buys from renewable energy sources that cost him (voluntarily) almost $6,000 extra per year, roughly 50% of the overall bill
You left out one important one....
Gore uses more energy today than he did before he made "An Inconvient Truth" even though he lives in the same home.
He also pays more, per kilowatt hour, for that increased energy usage than most. Voluntarily.
It doesn't surprise me that he's using more energy now - he was kind of off the radar before the movie came out.
Al Gore has been studying Global Warming for 30 years and has basically dedicated his life to being an advocate of the fight against it since leaving the White House. However, as far as his personal energy use is concerned, he could be doing more.
The average American home swelled from 983 square feet in 1950 to 2,349 square feet in 2004 -- a 140% increase in size. The size of the average American family has shrunk over the last three decades, but perhaps surprisingly, the average family home has ballooned in size.
Al Gore has been studying Global Warming for 30 years and has basically dedicated his life to being an advocate of the fight against it since leaving the White House. However, as far as his personal energy use is concerned, he could be doing more.
Al Gore has been studying Global Warming for 30 years and has basically dedicated his life to being an advocate of the fight against it since leaving the White House. However, as far as his personal energy use is concerned, he could be doing more.
Sounds like front page news to me.
Why are you wasting your time with it??
It doesn't take 30 years to become that mislead.
The only thing a Gore accomplished when Al was in the White House was Tipper and her PMRC.
I'm betting there's a photo somewhere of Ms. Gore in disguise buying a copy of the Body Count CD at the local Wal-Mart for her daughters.
The only thing a Gore accomplished when Al was in the White House was Tipper and her PMRC.
I'm betting there's a photo somewhere of Ms. Gore in disguise buying a copy of the Body Count CD at the local Wal-Mart for her daughters.
"The formation of the PMRC began in 1984 after Tipper Gore"
did ronnie know that al was in the wh back then ?
As usual....you are correct sir...the Gore's accomplished nothing while in the WH!!
In 1985, she co-founded the Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) with Susan Baker, wife of then United States Secretary of the Treasury James Baker, because Tipper heard her 12-year-old daughter playing "Darling Nikki" by Prince. Critics of the PMRC, including Jello Biafra, Dave Mustaine, and Frank Zappa, have accused the PMRC of conducting public and under-the-table censorship campaigns against various recording artists and have pointed out the PMRC's ties to the American religious right. Dee Snider of Twisted Sister accused her of downright lying about the content of the lyrics written by his band.
The article talks about the adverse effects that the minimum wage can have. These effects being typically felt most keenly by the poorest in society.
1. Increased prices are obviously more significant the less money you have
2. You dont make a mans labour worth A by making it illegal to pay him less than A. If an individuals skills are so low as to make the value of his labour $6 an hour then by setting the wage floor at $7 an hour youve essentially outlawed his employment. So the minimum wage is not only a flagrant breach of the constitution it also harms the most vulnerable in society. Still, as long as it make people feel good about themselves for advocating it.
These reasons are so idiotic and you people keep parroting them as if you care about anyone but yourselves. Everyone knows the poorer you are, the more of your income you spend. If all of the sudden you have a swelling of people with an extra 100 bucks in their pockets a week, they're going to go out and spend almost all of it it at area establishments. Completely dispersing their money back into the market, and offsetting the costs employers would incur. The only difference being, now maybe someone's kid can eat three meals, and maybe see their parents for more than 20 minutes a day. There are states in this country that have had a $7+ minumum wage for years now, and none of them are on the verge of collapsing into chaos. You free markettiers need to give your precious market more credit, it can handle more than you may think.
Im going to just ignore your curious supposition that pay increases are magically self financing because a) it doesnt really have anything to do with what I was talking about and b) it's just nonsense. Let me try and restate the two points I made even more simply than I did previously:
1. Poorer people are more sensitive to price increases than richer people. Anything at all controversial about that remark?
2. I didnt make my hypothetical minimum wage $7 because I feel that figure is some kind of tipping point. It would be entirely possible to raise the minimum wage far higher than it is without any "collapse into chaos". However it must be seen that the higher the minimum then the greater the amount of low skilled people will tend to be ruled out of the job market altogether. If you look at the countries with significantly higher minimum wages than the US they all have double digit unemployment figures.
I don't agree with your premise that costs of everything would automatically go up any significant level as to make the minimum wage increase counter-productive. What do you say about the minimum wage at on point in our history being the equivalent of $15/hr?
As to your point about unemployment in other countries, you can't rule out that a big factor in that, is that its easier to be unemployed in certain other countries. "low skilled" people in this country would have, and need, a greater incentive to become skilled at something. If my elderly neighbor is going to pay me $20 for a days worth of yard work in the summer (I hate yard work), I'm going to a considerably worse job than if she offers me $40, $50, or $100. Your points aren't totally batty, but way more apocolyptic than they need to be.
You must be a politician the way your dodging my questions. HOW DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIS CONSUMPTION?????
I am personally not sold on global warming, I just think its absolutely ridiculous to take his electric bill out of context as the sole basis for calling him a hypocrite. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE DOES OR DOES NOT DO. Ok, his consumption went up, maybe he added a new office to advocate for energy consumption. No one knows really. Sierra club cuts down hundreds of trees to make mailings about saving the environment. And the amount of mailing they do may have gone up, using more trees. What a bunch of hypocrites right?
And yes, I dislike Gore.
Thats your real point right?
[sarcasm] Gore should've let this suzuki guy make the movie, he sounds like he probably has a similarly high profile and access to financial backing as Gore. Gore's not credible because his electric bill is so high, and i heard it went up cause he left the lights on once, after he told us to turn them off!! What a hypocrite, his opinion is completely invalid because of that. If it was someone i liked better maybe, but theres so many unspecific and vague reasons not to trust the guy. [/sarcasm]
I'm not going to get into it with you. Cause, you seem to not be able to step outside your "I must put my faith into the all mighty and powerful Al to save us".
I'm not even debating anything on global warming or the environment with anyone.
And I don't know why you put ur sarcasm meter so high with using David Suzuki. The guy probably did more for the environment in a couple of years of his life, than ur man did in his whole 8 years in office. As one of the most powerful men on the planet.
But whatever man... I give up.
My intelligence is absolutley no match for your stupidity.
You win!
I will not bash Mr. Gore again.
Look dude, I dont even really like Gore, I havnt seen his movie, and although my gut feeling is to err on the side of caution, i'm not sold on his version of global warming. My point was simply that this is a bullshit ploy, by a corporate group with a vested interest, to smear someone promoting policies they don't like, probably just like your boy Suzuki (i'm not up on him beyond wikipedia, i admit). And just like I don't love John Kerry, I mostly agree with him, and so I was pissed when he was smeared with bullshit Swift Boat ads. The strategy is always to take a direct shot at whatever their biggest political assest is (vietnam service and environmental campaigns respectively) My point was not that Gore is my shit, its simply that people should be more discriminating and take these kinds of media campaigns with a grain of salt. You cant agree that its wack to look at this out of context bullshit and say, oh yeah, see , I knew he was a hypocrite all along, I had a feeling??
Also, can someone school me on Gore's place on the scale of do-nothing VP's? Was it not kind of a do-nothing job before Cheney, breaking the occasional tie and hanging tight. Someone who knows more please put me on....
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I think that is pretty legit - basically, he is pumping in enough renewable energy into the power system to offset his consumption. In most markets (perhaps all) you cannot choose where you get your power from. So if he is paying for renewable energy companies to produce enough power to offset what he is using, that seems fair to me. Sure he could use less, but if he is going to use as much as he is, this seems like a "green" way to do it...
yes its a green way to use more energy than everybody else to run your giant home, and to use more each month while at the same time telling everyone else to use less.
Sure...but how are poor people who can't afford these credits gonna power their private jets???
so essentially a system will just develope where rich people who can afford energy using devices will have to pay poor people for the credits that they will never use. And all this transfer of wealth will occur to satisfy some unproven scientific theory. It sounds more like social engineering than science.
What do you mean you would concede that the no true scotsman fallacy may not be completely applicable? it isnt applicable in the slightest and you made yourself look like an idiot by using terms you dont understand.
your arms are too short to type with god.
Al Gore uses twenty times as much energy as the average American
Gore has a house roughly twenty times as big as the average American
Americans with houses 1/20th the size can still be in the same usage class as Gore
Gore owns 500k in Occidental Petroleum Company stock, a company which (with Gore's blessing) drilled for oil on Indian burial grounds, possibly extincting a number of species
The president of the think tank responsible for this is from conservative Think Tank American Enterprise Institute
Gore buys from renewable energy sources that cost him (voluntarily) almost $6,000 extra per year, roughly 50% of the overall bill
You left out one important one....
Gore uses more energy today than he did before he made "An Inconvient Truth" even though he lives in the same home.
He also pays more, per kilowatt hour, for that increased energy usage than most. Voluntarily.
It doesn't surprise me that he's using more energy now - he was kind of off the radar before the movie came out.
Al Gore has been studying Global Warming for 30 years and has basically dedicated his life to being an advocate of the fight against it since leaving the White House. However, as far as his personal energy use is concerned, he could be doing more.
Sounds like front page news to me.
The average American home swelled from 983 square feet in 1950 to 2,349 square feet in 2004 -- a 140% increase in size. The size of the average American family has shrunk over the last three decades, but perhaps surprisingly, the average family home has ballooned in size.
The swelling McMansion
CAR WARS, DUDE.
Why are you wasting your time with it??
It doesn't take 30 years to become that mislead.
The only thing a Gore accomplished when Al was in the White House was Tipper and her PMRC.
I'm betting there's a photo somewhere of Ms. Gore in disguise buying a copy of the Body Count CD at the local Wal-Mart for her daughters.
"The formation of the PMRC began in 1984 after Tipper Gore"
did ronnie know that al was in the wh back then
?
As usual....you are correct sir...the Gore's accomplished nothing while in the WH!!
In 1985, she co-founded the Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) with Susan Baker, wife of then United States Secretary of the Treasury James Baker, because Tipper heard her 12-year-old daughter playing "Darling Nikki" by Prince. Critics of the PMRC, including Jello Biafra, Dave Mustaine, and Frank Zappa, have accused the PMRC of conducting public and under-the-table censorship campaigns against various recording artists and have pointed out the PMRC's ties to the American religious right. Dee Snider of Twisted Sister accused her of downright lying about the content of the lyrics written by his band.
I don't agree with your premise that costs of everything would automatically go up any significant level as to make the minimum wage increase counter-productive. What do you say about the minimum wage at on point in our history being the equivalent of $15/hr?
As to your point about unemployment in other countries, you can't rule out that a big factor in that, is that its easier to be unemployed in certain other countries. "low skilled" people in this country would have, and need, a greater incentive to become skilled at something. If my elderly neighbor is going to pay me $20 for a days worth of yard work in the summer (I hate yard work), I'm going to a considerably worse job than if she offers me $40, $50, or $100. Your points aren't totally batty, but way more apocolyptic than they need to be.
Look dude, I dont even really like Gore, I havnt seen his movie, and although my gut feeling is to err on the side of caution, i'm not sold on his version of global warming. My point was simply that this is a bullshit ploy, by a corporate group with a vested interest, to smear someone promoting policies they don't like, probably just like your boy Suzuki (i'm not up on him beyond wikipedia, i admit). And just like I don't love John Kerry, I mostly agree with him, and so I was pissed when he was smeared with bullshit Swift Boat ads. The strategy is always to take a direct shot at whatever their biggest political assest is (vietnam service and environmental campaigns respectively) My point was not that Gore is my shit, its simply that people should be more discriminating and take these kinds of media campaigns with a grain of salt. You cant agree that its wack to look at this out of context bullshit and say, oh yeah, see , I knew he was a hypocrite all along, I had a feeling??
Also, can someone school me on Gore's place on the scale of do-nothing VP's? Was it not kind of a do-nothing job before Cheney, breaking the occasional tie and hanging tight. Someone who knows more please put me on....
Dun worry about Kerry.
KARMA