hiphop production reached its apex 10 years ago
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i mean c'mon,whats so innovative about it now?!?!?!ish sounds like thuged out new wave music.despite what the roots might do,synth horns are very annoying!!!keep sampling alive and pay the dam artist.
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I remember when back in the days they put snyth horns on top of beatboxes like the DMX or something else. I hated it back than and I still hate it.
But everything goes in a cycle. After the horrible "synth horn" phase came the sample phase with all the dope shit we love.
Be patient and you get what you want !!!!!!!!!
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No wonder youve made this question.
Yeah, what's up with that? I thought it was common knowledge it reached it's pinnacle in 1998.
I like sampling a lot, but what??s innovative about that?
I don??t think that hip-hop production is not innovative nowadays, but I do think that it could be more innovative.
heretoforwith this guy should be referred to as "The Dude"...just my opinion though...
oh, and you are out of your element Donny...
who isn't? I mean...really...who can deny such wisdom???
Maybe around '97 with RZA and Wu Tang Forever, Bobby Digital an them albums there was a peak. There's still room for growth within sampling as shown by people who still do it after 2000 like Hi-Tek, Dr. Dre, Havoc, Alchemist, Nicolay and others. But people try to push the hip hop sound too much towards pop or R&B and it ends up sounding too clean, soft and corny.
For me '97 represented a peak in the sound of hip-hop, but also was the beginning of this irratating phase we're in now where there's artists out there who are labeled as "hip-hop" but they're rhymin' over clean, soft-sounding R&B type beats (ie: Fabolous, Chingy, Puffy, Nelly, Ja Rule). These fools are all in the spotlight and labeled as the "new sound of hip-hop" while people who keep the traditional elements of the raw sampling sound get overlooked and called "old".
It's sick'ning to me. If we're gonna continue to call this music hip-hop it shouldn't get so watered down with those other elements that don't belong.
P.S., what ever happened to the early 90's R&B appreciation thread here on Soul Strut, that was great!
I dunno, maybe taking what was available (parents and friends record collections) and using them to emulate what may not have been available (drum kits, horn players, etc) to create a new form of music, that's kinda innovative i guess. Mind you this was a couple years before Bobby Digital.
I dun understand why people always bring up puffy. I've always been under the impression that puffy just pays people to produce everything. And he just sticks his name in the production credits. Where dudes like Chucky did 99% of the shit and Puff would come in and say, turn the bass up and take his credit.
This was in a magazine a while back, wasn't it? Vibe maybe? I remember reading something about Puffy walking into the studio, listening to a track and having them add a snare hit here and there and that was that.
This is funny. Where's the torch?
"Don't you think there are too much syth in hiphop nowadays? Let's just keep it reeeeaaaal"
Hip hop became corrupted in the mid-90s when R&B beats and overproduced/slick production values diluted the art from from its gritty, funky, dusty-basements beginnings to something that is unlistenable today. Forget the rhyming and rapping aspect of hip hop nowadays: if you can't put your words to good music (ie. music that has soul and comes from the heart) then it's just going to be filed under crap, in my opinion.
Luckily for hip hop, the underground scene is where the listenable music is at right now (Stones Throw, Ubiquity, Rhymesayers, etc.)
Please, another torch for the man! And HipHop became corrupted in the late 70s already.
You dun understand humor neither?