Does this sound VG+ to you?
mannybolone
Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
So I got this Darondo 45 off eBay and it was listed as "VG+" and the only mention of any real problems with "light marks on the LABEL" but not the record itself. I get it in the mail and while most of it plays surprisingly clean, this is the first 30 seconds: http://o-dub.com/sounds/soulsides/sample.mp3Suffice to say, I'm a little annoyed but was this my bad? To me - VG+ means "some surface noise" but definitely not such an obvious audio mar. Try to send it back (I actually have dealt with this dude in the past...he seems cool but I've never tried returning something)? Or eat it?By the way, if I did return it, I'd offer to pay listing and closing costs, just to be cool about it.
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At first I was like "this isn't too bad"...then the snap, crackle and pops started. All in all, I'd say if you got a deal keep it and try to mint up one day. While that small section definitley takes away from the song, you can always convince yourself it adds character.
I need that song in my life, btw. I am still sleeping on Darondo (for shame, I know.).
Oliver
If it's any consolation, I've had a similar situation with a Brasillian record I paid $75 for. Surface noise across the whole thing.
Ah!
it does a great does not destroying necessary frequencies if used correctly.
although on a much smaller scale, i recently passed on an otherwise NM copy of Donny Hathaway Live for $5, for this very same reason. The first 30 seconds of a side going "scratch, scratch...".
I dont' know how all of you feel about the appearance of a record, but I couldn't give a shit as long as it plays well.
And if you bought a 45? It would take all of half a minute to grade it.
What the hell? Oh yeah, I guess some people don't actually have record players.
My 2c
Peace
T.N.
I totally agree that sellers need to aurally grade records. Especially if they are dealing with a record that has a value over $50. I just don't believe visually grading a record cuts it anymore, and it's pretty much pushing me away from e-bay and mail-order in general. I'd rather visually grade it myself in a shop or a store.
can be either totally clean or fairly beat, and the seller
can claim "I said VG+" if you complain ... honestly,
that soundfile was not as a bad as I was expecting it to
be, but I didn't drop over $100 on it ... I'm just not
so sure it's absolutely a bad grade - if it only has that
noise for a few rotations, I might grade it VG+ myself ...
and I know a few guys on here who might have graded it
even higher! I'm curious if you would have bought it/what
you would have paid if it had been graded "VG"
Cosign
But for a record of that price, and considering it's a 45, i think the seller would have to mention the noise during the intro.
This is one of my major pet peeves that I've brought up here time and time again: for the longest, VG+ was the grade beneath NM and looked and sounded as such... in my book VG+ is still a record that looks and sounds near-perfect, which is one reason why you don't see me buying and selling on eBay. Now that its an international market, international grading standards apply that I'm STILL unfamiliar with. I've seen everything from VG to NM described as 'EX' by sellers.
my copy of hell's belles looks...VG-/G and plays absolutely VG+
visual grading is bullshit, ESPECIALLY with styrene pressings
indeed another reason not to drop big cheese on a single 45
yeah, it's pretty much meaningless, esp when people push the envelope with vg++++ & shit.
the other day a guy described a record to me as 'mint plus', that's a new one.
in European grading with 'EX' & so forth, VG+ would definitely be looking worse than in typical US grading.
on a related note: what do y'all think about this 1-10 grading system that's spreading through the ebay selling world?
yeh? nay?
I would say that particular specimen is a VG, but it won't mean a thing if the seller claims to use another standard for grading.
VG+ to me is still a great record. I do not buy or trade for VG+ records from folks I don't know, I am constantly burned and I think a lot of people look at records under low wattage lighting so it looks clean to them.
VG++(+++) is a grade for fools and should never be used. Same with "EX-". Which in most cases = VG+.
Well, I think your approach to grading totally makes sense, but I also think it makes total sense to use VG++ as an equivelant grading for Ex. This is more or less the norm in the U.S. and is used by pretty much every major dealer on ebay that I can think of.
SEALED, M-, NM, NM-, EX+, EX, EX-, VG+, VG, VG-, G+. I consider my VG+ to have no surface noise, and my EX gradings are equivalent to Goldmine's VG++ grading, just more descriptive with specific gradations within the VG++ aegis. My M- is open unplayed. My NM and NM- gradings are reserved for items opened once and played.
The question I wanted to add about Dorando was, is it styrene? If so, uber fragile, shipping could've fucked it over. I played an EX+ styrene 45 ONCE to tape it and basically made it VG by doing so.
I'm sure I've read on here that that record does have a styrene pressing
Yeah, not being an apologist for dude or anything cuz I don't know the story. Other good examples besides styrene for record fragility include early 70s Polydor records (garbage vinyl quality) and Alshire record stock (also garbage).
Agreed, although I would prefer that these dealers use "Ex".