Drake profile in NY Times

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  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
    would Reynaldo care to explain his sudden conversion to Drake stan-dom?

  • Reynaldo said:
    fishmongerfunk said:
    i don;t care what you call it, this music is just awful.

    i have heard only a handful of songs but what exactly is the "honest" part of any of this? because his ghost-writers shoe-horned some personal information about him in the lyrics...they're not even good ghost-writers. the lyrics of that song posted are sub-jr. high poetry calibre.

    whomever in this thread first said this is the music business at its most cynical pretty much encapsulated this entire thread.
    The record's not for you. You aren't supposed to like it in the first place.

    i get that is not marketed to dudes like me and i'm not supposed to "like it". that said, i am not a person that thinks just because something is popular it is inherently awful but this type of mass delusion is a sort of hallucination i can't abide by.

    when people are attaching labels like "saviour" and "honest" to some talentless hack like this i worry for our collective standards (not that me worrying about it will make any difference).

    life isn;t fair. or life is fair but so uncool. either way, he has provided us with great discussion fodder.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Soulhawk said:
    would Reynaldo care to explain his sudden conversion to Drake stan-dom?

    He just likes things that annoy people.

    If he could afford it, I have no doubt he would park one of those diamond Damien Hirst skulls on his lawn.

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    Soulhawk said:
    would Reynaldo care to explain his sudden conversion to Drake stan-dom?
    Jay and Kanye co-signed him and he's involved in making good music. That's enough to get a passing grade. And he's not a thug, and he can pass for middle class, which can only help him going forward in this post-hip hop schitt. He's a winner.

  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
    you think he's cute

    just admit it

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    And I was waiting for the album to come out (which it's not yet) to make a judgment.

  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
    faux_rillz said:
    If he could afford it

    C'mon, son.

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    Soulhawk said:
    you think he's cute

    just admit it
    He's the young Canadian Obama of hip hop. Kanye is Biden. Jay is Clinton.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Soulhawk said:
    That's enough to get a passing grade. And he's not a thug, and he can pass for middle class, which can only help him going forward in this Post-Hip Hop schitt.



    "Join the Darkside....."

  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
    Reynaldo said:
    Soulhawk said:
    you think he's cute

    just admit it
    He's the young Canadian Obama of hip hop. Kanye is Biden. Jay is Clinton.

    who is Sarah Palin? Nicki Minaj?

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    Soulhawk said:
    Reynaldo said:
    Soulhawk said:
    you think he's cute

    just admit it
    He's the young Canadian Obama of hip hop. Kanye is Biden. Jay is Clinton.

    who is Sarah Palin? Nicki Minaj?
    YES. Sexy self-promoters. $100,000 appearances. Well-coached. Army of loyal fans but little output.

  • bassiebassie 11,710 Posts
    Soulhawk said:
    Reynaldo said:
    Soulhawk said:
    you think he's cute

    just admit it
    He's the young Canadian Obama of hip hop. Kanye is Biden. Jay is Clinton.

    who is Sarah Palin? Nicki Minaj?

    I believe I heard a marriage proposal in one of the songs, better make that Michelle.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Soulhawk said:
    Reynaldo said:
    Soulhawk said:
    you think he's cute

    just admit it
    He's the young Canadian Obama of hip hop. Kanye is Biden. Jay is Clinton.

    who is Sarah Palin? Nicki Minaj?

    John McCain = KRS ONE; derangedly conservative old guy, angry over his irrelevance

  • Garcia_VegaGarcia_Vega 2,428 Posts
    Reynaldo= Tucker Carlson?

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    Cash Money Young Money pop champagne
    Presidential suite girl Barack Hussein
    Tell me can we kick it like Ali Shaheed and Phife Dawg
    People really hate when a backpack rapper get rich
    And start livin??? that life dawg
    Feels like when you gettin to that paper hip hop hates ya
    They would do it just like I do if they could
    It's in our nature
    Ahh, young and rich and out of control
    Out in L.A. blowing clouds of the killa
    I came up in the underground though
    So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla
    Call me over-rated or created or too jaded
    Because any way you put it bitch I made it, YUP

  • willie_fugalwillie_fugal 1,862 Posts
    Jonny_Paycheck said:
    faux_rillz said:
    mannybolone said:
    Jonny_Paycheck said:
    mannybolone said:
    Can I ask a serious question:

    Why do any of us really care who anyone is anointing as a hip hop savior?

    That seems so early 2000s.

    Drake may be undeserving but...so what? How does this herald any worse doom that hip-hop hasn't already suffered via the last 10 years?

    this misses the point - as someone said upthread, his popularity is very real. He is by almost any measure, enormously successful. The one remaining measure is album sales, and while I hope that the record will flop I wouldn't bet money on it. For what it's worth, this seems to be the least important metric of the music industry these days anyway.

    What anointing him the savior of anything does is legitimize him. Given the quality of people around him, I don't think he's going anywhere, and nobody seems willing to point out the utter hypocrisy inherent in his shtick.

    Fair enough.

    I just think we've been through this same variety of argument since, well, the birth of hip-hop. Drake practically just plays a role in that never-ending recycling of "undeserving popular rapper". It's almost mechanical.

    There has never before been a rapper who makes such bad music who has achieved the same degree of influence/importance within hip-hop. Ever.

    Also, my issue isn't that he's "wack" by the conventional meaning of the word. He's a decent enough technical rapper. I object mostly to the overarching concept of Drake; slightly less so, to the sheer calculated-ness of his career thus far. This is music industry cynicism at its absolute height.

    Seriously. Loved this quote about the made-in-a-test-tube So Far Gone:

    ???That was supposed to be the wild and crazy project we did to get that out of our system before we put out a really generic rap album,??? said Oliver el-Khatib, Drake???s longtime friend and de facto creative consultant.

    in fact, i think the entire paragraph that sentence comes from warrants quoting, as it's the corn kernel in this piece of shit article:

    On ???So Far Gone??? he sought to cultivate multiple audiences at once: in addition to straight-ahead rap songs, he also rapped over instrumentals from indie acts like Santigold, Lykke Li and Peter Bjorn & John. ???That was supposed to be the wild and crazy project we did to get that out of our system before we put out a really generic rap album,??? said Oliver el-Khatib, Drake???s longtime friend and de facto creative consultant.

    maybe rap/singing over Peter Bjorn & John is just too wild & crazy for Soulstrut.

    b/w

    Post-Hip Hop

  • willie_fugalwillie_fugal 1,862 Posts
    Reynaldo said:
    Cash Money Young Money pop champagne
    Presidential suite girl Barack Hussein
    Tell me can we kick it like Ali Shaheed and Phife Dawg
    People really hate when a backpack rapper get rich
    And start livin??? that life dawg
    Feels like when you gettin to that paper hip hop hates ya
    They would do it just like I do if they could
    It's in our nature
    Ahh, young and rich and out of control
    Out in L.A. blowing clouds of the killa
    I came up in the underground though
    So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla
    Call me over-rated or created or too jaded
    Because any way you put it bitch I made it, YUP

    good god...please tell me that's a Drake verse??

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    willie_fugal said:
    Reynaldo said:
    Cash Money Young Money pop champagne
    Presidential suite girl Barack Hussein
    Tell me can we kick it like Ali Shaheed and Phife Dawg
    People really hate when a backpack rapper get rich
    And start livin??? that life dawg
    Feels like when you gettin to that paper hip hop hates ya
    They would do it just like I do if they could
    It's in our nature
    Ahh, young and rich and out of control
    Out in L.A. blowing clouds of the killa
    I came up in the underground though
    So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla
    Call me over-rated or created or too jaded
    Because any way you put it bitch I made it, YUP

    good god...please tell me that's a Drake verse??
    Yeah, from "Show Me A Good Time."

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    I mean my whole thing is like, I too once lived in my mom's basement. But it was the basement of a house in the Berkeley hills. I'm not going to imply that there's any "struggle" in that. It was nice to get out of there, but the way Drake tells it, he was living under a tore-down coldwater rowhouse in some gunclap slum.

    I think he could, if he felt like it, actually talk about some interesting shit based on his (real) life that would resonate with tons of people... but this triangulated pablum is not interesting to me at all and - more to the point - I don't believe him. This dude came up in the underground? Where??

  • willie_fugalwillie_fugal 1,862 Posts
    Reynaldo said:
    willie_fugal said:
    Reynaldo said:
    Cash Money Young Money pop champagne
    Presidential suite girl Barack Hussein
    Tell me can we kick it like Ali Shaheed and Phife Dawg
    People really hate when a backpack rapper get rich
    And start livin??? that life dawg
    Feels like when you gettin to that paper hip hop hates ya
    They would do it just like I do if they could
    It's in our nature
    Ahh, young and rich and out of control
    Out in L.A. blowing clouds of the killa
    I came up in the underground though
    So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla
    Call me over-rated or created or too jaded
    Because any way you put it bitch I made it, YUP

    good god...please tell me that's a Drake verse??
    Yeah, from "Show Me A Good Time."

    "I came up in the underground though
    So I???ma spend another ten thousand for Dilla."

    dude. you were a rich child TV star.

  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
    maybe dudes master plan is to go into rap so he can get better acting roles

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    Thank Me Later is the Reasonable Doubt of the next phase of hip hop. Drake sounds as hungry and reflective as Jay once did. And they both had money before hip hop.

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    The problem with that comparison is that Jay Z put his record out himself, after the industry passed on him.

    Drake is a product of the industry.

  • Can Shawty Lo please expose this dude?

  • Hotsauce84Hotsauce84 8,450 Posts
    Success = 8+ page threads dedicated to how horrible one is.

  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Herm said:
    Success = 8+ page threads dedicated to how horrible one is.

    Dude, quit trying to steer this thread into something about Faux_Rillz.

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Reynaldo said:
    Thank Me Later is the Reasonable Doubt of the next phase of hip hop. Drake sounds as hungry and reflective as Jay once did. And they both had money before hip hop.
    :comedy_gold:

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Jonny_Paycheck said:
    Herm said:
    Success = 8+ page threads dedicated to how horrible one is.

    Dude, quit trying to steer this thread into something about Faux_Rillz.

    Yo, Herm: Do I ever come up in discussion/Over double-pumpe lattes and low-fat muffins?

  • Hotsauce84Hotsauce84 8,450 Posts
    faux_rillz said:
    Jonny_Paycheck said:
    Herm said:
    Success = 8+ page threads dedicated to how horrible one is.

    Dude, quit trying to steer this thread into something about Faux_Rillz.

    Yo, Herm: Do I ever come up in discussion/Over double-pumpe lattes and low-fat muffins?

    I don't drink coffee, holmes! And I can't remember the last time I had a muffin.

    But anyways...my comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I was merely stating the obvious: The more popular you are, the more people want to dirty up your name and (try and) drag you down. Isn't that what success entails? Any publicity is good publicity blah blah blah? You're obviously not the only one hating on the man in here, and in all honesty, I agree with you for the most part, the man is bland as hell. It baffles me how popular he is. I mean, I get it to a certain extent 'cause I know how easily "heroes" are made, but still...

    BUT I have to say, after rereading this thread and your description of Rey, I've come up with a little flip of my own. Humor me:

    Rey: "He just likes things that annoy people."
    Faux: "He just annoys people that like things."

    Fair assessment?

  • Hotsauce84Hotsauce84 8,450 Posts
    Herm said:
    faux_rillz said:
    Jonny_Paycheck said:
    Herm said:
    Success = 8+ page threads dedicated to how horrible one is.

    Dude, quit trying to steer this thread into something about Faux_Rillz.

    Yo, Herm: Do I ever come up in discussion/Over double-pumpe lattes and low-fat muffins?

    I don't drink coffee, holmes! And I can't remember the last time I had a muffin.


    Doh! I thought that "/" was a typo. Google has taught me that it's actually a very cringeworthy (yet sure to make the coffee shop bohemians swoon) Drake lyric. Nice touch. Good to know you've spent at least some time listening to the album!
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