It's all elitism. ALL GOD DAMN FUCKING ELITISM-SMSS. Yes, I just typaed Elitism-smss.
Anway... MP3's have been in existence for 16 years, a lot of us here remember finding out about songs, and being able to go shopping or to the next city/town over, coming back half an hour and seeing you only downloaded 57 percent. So the idea of downloading something digitally is nothing new.
But the question being asked is, what do we think of the accessibility of everything that was once considered RAER and out of touch? Fantastic. Accessibility is incredible, because (almost) anything and everything can be found instantly. Some bloggers know how to rip and archive properly, some don't. It's easy to find people who know what they're doing. I've seen blogs where people will upload rare disco acetates, dub plates, test pressings, rare mixes and whatnot. Quality ranges from incredible to horrible, but it's there for the taking.
Does it change my *buying* habits, not completely. I'm a bit more selective in what I buy these days, where before I'd buy blindly and randomly. I buy as a listener, fan of the music and collector. I'd do DJ sets if given the opportunity, and would like to utilize both vinyl, Serato, and the many other tools of the trade. Sound is there to manipulate, and I'd like to think it would not matter where the source of my music comes from, as long as I'm doing my best to rock crowds.
In terms of having originals vs. reissues/repressings/counterfeit pressings, there is a bit of elitism that exists but who is really going to care but us, and I mean "us" as in fellow collectors, DJ's, and vinyl junkies? If I want to use a rare record as part of my routine, I'd either look for doubles, have a custom record pressed (if I'm limiting myself to vinyl), or just transfer it from WAV/FLAC to MP3. I mean c'mon, it's 2011. I'm sure there are people who think that producers were hot because they had the Honeydrippers 45, when a good majority of producers used the same damn UBB or Simon Harris breakbeat record, as the crackle in most of them is EXACTLY the same. "Oh yeah, I'm all about originals" and yet that little bit of "ladies and gentlemen" I hear in YOUR song is the same one I can pinpoint in 32 different songs.
Point is, music is meant to enjoy, sound is meant to be played with, and there can be many possibilities with how one collects records and archives digital files. These days, if one wants that extremely rare pressing with the extra 2-second break, they can do a Google search, this isn't news. If someone wants that record for themselves, there's more than enough people who can supply it to us, and many of us know how to find a way to obtain it without paying the "in demand" fees. In fact, someone on Twitter mentioned the "What Child Is This" sample and I was reminded of the search for the record with the pink label and a fish. That record is one of those thrift store/charity shop gems, but is now a hot item because of what Premier did to it. If people are willing to buy it on eBay for whatever it's going for these days, let them. If someone wants to find an MP3 of it with the same surface noise and crappy quality, let them. If someone wants an original, they will find it no matter what. It still remains the thrill of the hunt, whether it's in garages, warehouses, noodle shops or online.
It's all elitism. ALL GOD DAMN FUCKING ELITISM-SMSS. Yes, I just typaed Elitism-smss.
Anway... MP3's have been in existence for 16 years, a lot of us here remember finding out about songs, and being able to go shopping or to the next city/town over, coming back half an hour and seeing you only downloaded 57 percent. So the idea of downloading something digitally is nothing new.
But the question being asked is, what do we think of the accessibility of everything that was once considered RAER and out of touch? Fantastic. Accessibility is incredible, because (almost) anything and everything can be found instantly. Some bloggers know how to rip and archive properly, some don't. It's easy to find people who know what they're doing. I've seen blogs where people will upload rare disco acetates, dub plates, test pressings, rare mixes and whatnot. Quality ranges from incredible to horrible, but it's there for the taking.
Does it change my *buying* habits, not completely. I'm a bit more selective in what I buy these days, where before I'd buy blindly and randomly. I buy as a listener, fan of the music and collector. I'd do DJ sets if given the opportunity, and would like to utilize both vinyl, Serato, and the many other tools of the trade. Sound is there to manipulate, and I'd like to think it would not matter where the source of my music comes from, as long as I'm doing my best to rock crowds.
In terms of having originals vs. reissues/repressings/counterfeit pressings, there is a bit of elitism that exists but who is really going to care but us, and I mean "us" as in fellow collectors, DJ's, and vinyl junkies? If I want to use a rare record as part of my routine, I'd either look for doubles, have a custom record pressed (if I'm limiting myself to vinyl), or just transfer it from WAV/FLAC to MP3. I mean c'mon, it's 2011. I'm sure there are people who think that producers were hot because they had the Honeydrippers 45, when a good majority of producers used the same damn UBB or Simon Harris breakbeat record, as the crackle in most of them is EXACTLY the same. "Oh yeah, I'm all about originals" and yet that little bit of "ladies and gentlemen" I hear in YOUR song is the same one I can pinpoint in 32 different songs.
Point is, music is meant to enjoy, sound is meant to be played with, and there can be many possibilities with how one collects records and archives digital files. These days, if one wants that extremely rare pressing with the extra 2-second break, they can do a Google search, this isn't news. If someone wants that record for themselves, there's more than enough people who can supply it to us, and many of us know how to find a way to obtain it without paying the "in demand" fees. In fact, someone on Twitter mentioned the "What Child Is This" sample and I was reminded of the search for the record with the pink label and a fish. That record is one of those thrift store/charity shop gems, but is now a hot item because of what Premier did to it. If people are willing to buy it on eBay for whatever it's going for these days, let them. If someone wants to find an MP3 of it with the same surface noise and crappy quality, let them. If someone wants an original, they will find it no matter what. It still remains the thrill of the hunt, whether it's in garages, warehouses, noodle shops or online.
Looks like somebody read the whole thread. Thank you sir!
if you have trouble sleeping at night because you sampled am mp3, you are probably suffering from some self-loathing struggle for legitimacy. Records sound better, so if that's your guiding force... i totally understand. The only reason sampling made any legitimate gains at all was because the people sampling were working with limited resources. If some broke ass kid can sample an mp3 he downloaded from an ebay auction, why would he spring for the record? That's more money he can save to buy himself some actual instruments.
And when he makes some music out of it everyone will download it for free and he will have to do something else for a living, because the idea of being a professional musician will be a joke.
My collection is a personal pleasure, not something for me to worry about its degree of legitimacy in anyone else's mind. My record collection as well as my MP3 collection both. Personally, I get much better productivity sampling from records, being able to alter the pitch/speed on the fly, or to cut live around a piece I might not have isolated by just listening without getting my hands dirty. I think there are probably ways that someone can get involved with MP3s in a way that's unique to that format as well, and respect to them, but in the end whatever works for you. There's no "better" way. Unless, like Possum Tom said, you're having legitimacy issues yourself about what you're doing for whatever reason.
What does Teh Strut Think about record collecting blogs where you can download the .rar file for the album? I have found quite a few of them doing research on albums and learning what to look for in the field. Sure, I would LOVE to buy all the cool music that I have found on-line, but I'm no Rockefeller. So, I download and enjoy that way. It doesn't diminish the the pleasure I get from finding that special something tucked away amongst the turds, but that's just me. Is this like Rockin' Re-issues vs O.G. pressings? Thoughts?
Dude I just found out about this site called: GOOGLE. Holy shit man, I found so many good things on there. Have you heard about it man? You can like search for anything on there!
- spidey
WOW! Peter Peckerhead rears his ugly head and re-enforces the bad rep that Soul Strut gets on-line. Typical. Maybe you should voice an OPINON instead of coming off like a jerk. Probably does all his "digging" on-line with a credit card for his trust fund account.
I dunno what's up with your attitude man, and then you call ME the jerk? I was just trying to give you a tip cause that Google is a good site. Its seriously one of the best sites on the internet you just type words and then it finds shit for you. I think you can even find pornos on there. I mean I haven't ever tried that, but I bet you could.
- spidey
sauce so weak it wouldn't mask the flavour of air.
What does Teh Strut Think about record collecting blogs where you can download the .rar file for the album? I have found quite a few of them doing research on albums and learning what to look for in the field. Sure, I would LOVE to buy all the cool music that I have found on-line, but I'm no Rockefeller. So, I download and enjoy that way. It doesn't diminish the the pleasure I get from finding that special something tucked away amongst the turds, but that's just me. Is this like Rockin' Re-issues vs O.G. pressings? Thoughts?
Dude I just found out about this site called: GOOGLE. Holy shit man, I found so many good things on there. Have you heard about it man? You can like search for anything on there!
- spidey
WOW! Peter Peckerhead rears his ugly head and re-enforces the bad rep that Soul Strut gets on-line. Typical. Maybe you should voice an OPINON instead of coming off like a jerk. Probably does all his "digging" on-line with a credit card for his trust fund account.
I dunno what's up with your attitude man, and then you call ME the jerk? I was just trying to give you a tip cause that Google is a good site. Its seriously one of the best sites on the internet you just type words and then it finds shit for you. I think you can even find pornos on there. I mean I haven't ever tried that, but I bet you could.
- spidey
sauce so weak it wouldn't mask the flavour of air.
I'm sorry..? Were you shooting for poetry with that one?
if you have trouble sleeping at night because you sampled am mp3, you are probably suffering from some self-loathing struggle for legitimacy. Records sound better, so if that's your guiding force... i totally understand. The only reason sampling made any legitimate gains at all was because the people sampling were working with limited resources. If some broke ass kid can sample an mp3 he downloaded from an ebay auction, why would he spring for the record? That's more money he can save to buy himself some actual instruments.
And when he makes some music out of it everyone will download it for free and he will have to do something else for a living, because the idea of being a professional musician will be a joke.
True. The industry as a whole has fallen into a cyclical system of failure, but whose to say that it wasn't destined to fail. Selling recorded music wouldn't have been possible without technology, so why can't technology take it back? I'm not arguing against buying records, but I think if you are only buying them to sample, a YouTube clip will work just as well.
I've been spending a lot more time and money seeing artists perform. If I want their record, I can usually buy it at the merch table.
this is funny. every 5 years djs once again change bandwagons about what's real in 20xx. only vinyl...i guess serato is ok. only CD quality... I guess 320s are ok. only purchased MP3s....i guess out of print d/l are ok. nevermind the noise. just buy merch and support local arts culture.
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Anway... MP3's have been in existence for 16 years, a lot of us here remember finding out about songs, and being able to go shopping or to the next city/town over, coming back half an hour and seeing you only downloaded 57 percent. So the idea of downloading something digitally is nothing new.
But the question being asked is, what do we think of the accessibility of everything that was once considered RAER and out of touch? Fantastic. Accessibility is incredible, because (almost) anything and everything can be found instantly. Some bloggers know how to rip and archive properly, some don't. It's easy to find people who know what they're doing. I've seen blogs where people will upload rare disco acetates, dub plates, test pressings, rare mixes and whatnot. Quality ranges from incredible to horrible, but it's there for the taking.
Does it change my *buying* habits, not completely. I'm a bit more selective in what I buy these days, where before I'd buy blindly and randomly. I buy as a listener, fan of the music and collector. I'd do DJ sets if given the opportunity, and would like to utilize both vinyl, Serato, and the many other tools of the trade. Sound is there to manipulate, and I'd like to think it would not matter where the source of my music comes from, as long as I'm doing my best to rock crowds.
In terms of having originals vs. reissues/repressings/counterfeit pressings, there is a bit of elitism that exists but who is really going to care but us, and I mean "us" as in fellow collectors, DJ's, and vinyl junkies? If I want to use a rare record as part of my routine, I'd either look for doubles, have a custom record pressed (if I'm limiting myself to vinyl), or just transfer it from WAV/FLAC to MP3. I mean c'mon, it's 2011. I'm sure there are people who think that producers were hot because they had the Honeydrippers 45, when a good majority of producers used the same damn UBB or Simon Harris breakbeat record, as the crackle in most of them is EXACTLY the same. "Oh yeah, I'm all about originals" and yet that little bit of "ladies and gentlemen" I hear in YOUR song is the same one I can pinpoint in 32 different songs.
Point is, music is meant to enjoy, sound is meant to be played with, and there can be many possibilities with how one collects records and archives digital files. These days, if one wants that extremely rare pressing with the extra 2-second break, they can do a Google search, this isn't news. If someone wants that record for themselves, there's more than enough people who can supply it to us, and many of us know how to find a way to obtain it without paying the "in demand" fees. In fact, someone on Twitter mentioned the "What Child Is This" sample and I was reminded of the search for the record with the pink label and a fish. That record is one of those thrift store/charity shop gems, but is now a hot item because of what Premier did to it. If people are willing to buy it on eBay for whatever it's going for these days, let them. If someone wants to find an MP3 of it with the same surface noise and crappy quality, let them. If someone wants an original, they will find it no matter what. It still remains the thrill of the hunt, whether it's in garages, warehouses, noodle shops or online.
Looks like somebody read the whole thread. Thank you sir!
And when he makes some music out of it everyone will download it for free and he will have to do something else for a living, because the idea of being a professional musician will be a joke.
sauce so weak it wouldn't mask the flavour of air.
I'm sorry..? Were you shooting for poetry with that one?
- spidey
I've been spending a lot more time and money seeing artists perform. If I want their record, I can usually buy it at the merch table.