Country, Western and Bluegrass

finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
edited February 2011 in Strut Central
While listing some library records on discogs, I listened to this library record, mainly to check out the condition:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Country-And-Western-and-Bluegrass/release/2730383?ev=item-vc

I was expecting nothing, but damn, I feel some the songs big time.
I don`t know how authentic the containing music is, despite the fact that it says on the back cover "Authentic Music Of The American Mid-West".

I can post up some clips if there is any interest.
Does anyone ride for this kind of music as well?
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  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    I don't know anything about this library. I do like that C&W and Bluegrass.

    The libraries I have had with acoustic folk guitar styles have been very forgettable.

    If you want more of the same you could post up a favorite cut or three and people here would point you to more of the same sound.

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    People learned to play musical instruments to furnish their own music just as they had learned to plant, cultivate, and harvest crops for their food supply.

  • finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
    soulone said:
    People learned to play musical instruments to furnish their own music just as they had learned to plant, cultivate, and harvest crops for their food supply.


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    I'm talking about banjos, fiddles, guitar, mandolin, and accordion, mang.

    I like the song, "chicken reel"

  • Bluegrass is Appalachian funk.

  • finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
    novasol said:
    Bluegrass is Appalachian funk.

    I don`t now much about this stuff and in fact I only know this one record of this genre, but - even if you`re saying this jokingly -
    I know where you coming from. What I heard is more sophisticated than what I expected.
    Not sure if this is really the authentic stuff... Maybe there is still a bit of Alan Parker & Hawkshaw feel in it..
    Tomorrow i`ll post some clips.

  • finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
    Years ago I listened to a late night radio show (Z??ndfunk Nachtmix mit Thomas Meinecke, DiscoChe kennts bestimmt...)
    and they only played a musical genre called "Americana". I still don't know what it is exactly but it left a bit of impression on me and I found it quite interesting. This record reminds somehow of the music played in that show.
    Can anyone school me on "Americana"?

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Americana - Pertaining to America (USA).

    This would be jazz, blues, country, rock, soul, funk, souljazz, spiritual jazz, northern soul, funk 45, boogie, modern soul.
    In other words, 20th century popular music.

  • I'm not joking fine.

  • LaserWolf said:
    Americana - Pertaining to America (USA).

    This would be jazz, blues, country, rock, soul, funk, souljazz, spiritual jazz, northern soul, funk 45, boogie, modern soul.
    In other words, 20th century popular music.

    See I thought Americana was synonymous with roots music, specifically a kind of country / r&b crossover. But I have no idea, I would enjoy people dropping some knowledge on the topic and suggesting some staring points for this era..

  • finelikewine said:
    r "Authentic Music Of The American Mid-West".

    I can post up some clips if there is any interest.
    Does anyone ride for this kind of music as well?

    Yeah I ride, but am totally in the dark on this shit.

  • finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
    pimlicosquirrel said:
    LaserWolf said:
    Americana - Pertaining to America (USA).

    This would be jazz, blues, country, rock, soul, funk, souljazz, spiritual jazz, northern soul, funk 45, boogie, modern soul.
    In other words, 20th century popular music.

    See I thought Americana was synonymous with roots music, specifically a kind of country / r&b crossover. But I have no idea, I would enjoy people dropping some knowledge on the topic and suggesting some staring points for this era..

    I think the term was used in a bit more narrow range, otherwise it would have been useless. What pim is talking about sounds more reasonable to me.

  • finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
    I googled a bit and found an interview with that radio dj and he mentions some musician who are palying "americana":
    Jimmie Rodgers, Bob Wills, Lefty Frizzell, Guy Clark, Ornette Coleman (in an hamolidic? way)

    Stuff like this:












  • not sure what's goin on in this thread but i fuckin love this song....


  • Jimmie Rodgers, Hank Williams Sr., Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Charlie Rich are all really good country artists. Stay away from Chet Atkins and the schmaltz he produced.

    Bluegrass is kind of a different animal, but really starts with Bill Monroe. Also Earl Scruggs is great. David Grisman's Rounder Record is a great place to start too. The list of players on that record can help point you toward other really good stuff. Tony Rice, Jerry Douglas and Ricky Skaggs are all great on that record. The Punch Brothers are a newer act with some great material too. Really good players.

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    Dr. Ralph Stanley
    Sam Bush


  • Some newer stuff




  • finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
    novasol said:

    Tomorrow i`ll post some clips.

  • check out http://bluegrasscountry.org/. It's a local station (run by the NPR station in DC). You have to register to listen, but you can stream it live...lots of old timer DJs with great stories about the classic artists.

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    I like it when they never pronounce g at the end of a word. And they supplement the prefix a.

    i love "Froggy Went a Courtin"

  • finelikewine said:
    Is this the real schitt?

    UK session dudes doing country muzak.

    Competent, but not the real deal.

  • soulone said:
    I like it when they never pronounce g at the end of a word. And they supplement the prefix a.

    i love "Froggy Went a Courtin"

    Most singers don't pronounce their "g"'s. It's just more obvious with folk/bluegrass people, for some reason.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    finelikewine said:
    I googled a bit and found an interview with that radio dj and he mentions some musician who are palying "americana":
    Jimmie Rodgers, Bob Wills, Lefty Frizzell, Guy Clark, Ornette Coleman (in an hamolidic? way)

    Stuff like this:












    It used to drive me crazy that in Europe new names for American music are created with specific definitions that the original artists would never have recognized. Now I think it is genius. I used to hate the Northern Soul designation because it referred to a kind of music some djs and dancers liked, not a musical scene that ever existed.

    So if Americana is the kind of music in those video clips, I like Americana.

    Jimmy Rogers recorded all his songs for 78s. When buying reissue lps make sure they are mono. Any and all Jimmy Rogers lps are good. Beware there is at least one other artist with the same name.

    Bob Wills best stuff can be found on Comps that came out in the 70s.

    If you hunt you can find original Lefty Frizzel 45s and lps.

    Guy Clark is a great song writer. His 70s lps are recommended (by me). If you find a country record with a Guy Clark writing credit it is bound to be good.

    Don Was might define Americana. He recorded with the group Was Not Was, and has produced lots of artists.

    Ornette Coleman you should already know from your interest in jazz. Get the one with the Jackson Pollack die cut cover.

    I would also recommend Ry Cooder as someone who fits the Americana label.

  • finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
    I guess Tony Joe White would fit this mould as well, doesn`t he?





    What album is a must have?

  • Bit confused by this whole thread - isn't the term 'americana' generally applied to more contemporary artists, from the past decade or so, that are obviously influenced by american roots music, without really being in a specific genre? So not a straight bluegrass, or country, or blues band? Jimmy Rogers isn't Americana, he's straight old-time country - Ornette Coleman? What?

    Surely it's more like that John Prine / Guy Clark thing mixed up with a little indie / punk attitude? Or it's that band down the pub with the guy with the beard and the banjo. That sort of thing.

  • finelikewinefinelikewine "ONCE UPON A TIME, I HAD A VINYL." http://www.discogs.com/user/permabulker 1,416 Posts
    I don`t know either. I wish there was a Thomas Meinecke :hayek: to clear things up. This guy knows his shit.

  • I have no earthly idea where Ornette Coleman fits in this Americana category. Just being American ain't enough.

    Bit confused by this whole thread - isn't the term 'americana' generally applied to more contemporary artists, from the past decade or so, that are obviously influenced by american roots music, without really being in a specific genre? So not a straight bluegrass, or country, or blues band? Jimmy Rogers isn't Americana, he's straight old-time country

    Right, so what's the big difference? Half of the current acts labelled "Americana" are PERFORMING straight bluegrass, country & blues...

  • CousinLarry said:
    Jimmie Rodgers, Hank Williams Sr., Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Charlie Rich are all really good country artists. Stay away from Chet Atkins and the schmaltz he produced.

    ...but know that Atkins (or his associates) produced Rich, Jennings and Nelson at one point. While they too got the sappy Nashville treatment, several of their sides in this vein are really good despite the string sections and choruses.

  • finelikewine said:
    I guess Tony Joe White would fit this mould as well, doesn`t he? What album is a must have?

    My own favorites are ...Continued (1969), Tony Joe White (1971), and The Train I'm On (1972), although he's generally consistent - for the most part.

    Of course, there's 1969's Black & White, which has his hit "Polk Salad Annie." Side two is ruined by these substandard cover versions ("Little Green Apples"? "Wichita Lineman"?), but side one is on the money.
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