Shit is real over there right now. Thoughts with The People getting theirs.
Real big. Really fucking big.
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Every website has been absolutely fucked for the past 2 days - Twitter, Facebook... I wonder how much people's online engagement with each other over this via social media platforms has to do with it. A bit I'm sure.
"...the US needs a friendly government in Cairo more than it needs a democratic one. Whether the issue is Israel-Palestine, Hamas and Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, security for Gulf oil supplies, Sudan, or the spread of Islamist fundamentalist ideas, Washington wants Egypt, the Arab world's most populous and influential country, in its corner. That's the political and geostrategic bottom line. In this sense, Egypt's demonstrators are not just fighting the regime. They are fighting Washington, too."
Just thinking. I don't think terrorism has ever overthrown a government.
If one doesn't consider (foreign) military invasions and occupations as acts of terror, that is.
I hear you.
But I was thinking of the suicide bomb, car bomb, attacks on civilians type of terror.
Totally ineffective beyond creating terror.
I hear you, too. However, whether it comes in a car, in a purse or falls out of the sky, a bomb doesn't pick and choose whose limbs and heads it blows off.
"Formal" wars are absolutely attacks on civilians. Check the numbers please.
Just thinking. I don't think terrorism has ever overthrown a government.
If one doesn't consider (foreign) military invasions and occupations as acts of terror, that is.
I hear you.
But I was thinking of the suicide bomb, car bomb, attacks on civilians type of terror.
Totally ineffective beyond creating terror.
I hear you, too. However, whether it comes in a car, in a purse or falls out of the sky, a bomb doesn't pick and choose whose limbs and heads it blows off.
"Formal" wars are absolutely attacks on civilians. Check the numbers please.
"Mubarak's handling of the crisis may have contributed to Friday's massive opposition showdown with the regime. One man, a surgeon, told me why he had attended Friday prayers and had brought his son with him to march in protest right after. A friend of his son had been picked up by the police on Thursday and the surgeon went to the detention center to try to get his release. "It was all kids," he said of the individuals the government had arrested. "It was all kids who had been kidnapped. I felt I had to do something." He had never been to a protest before in his life."
Just thinking. I don't think terrorism has ever overthrown a government.
If one doesn't consider (foreign) military invasions and occupations as acts of terror, that is.
I hear you.
But I was thinking of the suicide bomb, car bomb, attacks on civilians type of terror.
Totally ineffective beyond creating terror.
I hear you, too. However, whether it comes in a car, in a purse or falls out of the sky, a bomb doesn't pick and choose whose limbs and heads it blows off.
"Formal" wars are absolutely attacks on civilians. Check the numbers please.
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Agreed.
Change "terrorist" to "freedom fighter" and it's a different story.
There will be a President Mubarak in Egypt (the current one or his son) for many, many years yet.
Bite your tongue, dude
By "a Pres. Mubarak" I mean it'll be same shit/possibly different dude. LIke putin/medvedev. Egypt is bought and paid for by the US. The US is not gonna let this get totally out-of-(their)-control.
There will be a President Mubarak in Egypt (the current one or his son) for many, many years yet.
Bite your tongue, dude
By "a Pres. Mubarak" I mean it'll be same shit/possibly different dude. LIke putin/medvedev. Egypt is bought and paid for by the US. The US is not gonna let this get totally out-of-(their)-control.
I hear you, too. However, whether it comes in a car, in a purse or falls out of the sky, a bomb doesn't pick and choose whose limbs and heads it blows off.
"Formal" wars are absolutely attacks on civilians. Check the numbers please.
B??ngo. Ch??le, Brazil, Argentina, Nicaragua -- that's terrorism. To say nothing of Black life in America since the very beginning, which has effectively constituted a dispersed but semi-unified people under constant terrorist threat from its umbrella gov't. Like Ishmael Reed said after the Oakland BART shooting, it's absurd to pretend that a mobile nation-state facing centuries of violence and repression is somehow a minor segment where things "just haven't quite worked out yet" -- it's a terrorized people under a hostile regime. Ghettos are terrorism, however 'institutional' or 'structural' their genesis: you can force people there with riot cops or game them there with racism and skewed economics, but that's terror-tactic, mayne.
Does anyone yet have a clear idea who the hell is protesting? My impression is that dissatisfaction with Mubarak is so widespread that no one really knows who's on the streets -- mostly Muslim, mostly Coptic, what?
Does anyone yet have a clear idea who the hell is protesting? My impression is that dissatisfaction with Mubarak is so widespread that no one really knows who's on the streets -- mostly Muslim, mostly Coptic, what?
There will be a President Mubarak in Egypt (the current one or his son) for many, many years yet.
Bite your tongue, dude
By "a Pres. Mubarak" I mean it'll be same shit/possibly different dude. LIke putin/medvedev. Egypt is bought and paid for by the US. The US is not gonna let this get totally out-of-(their)-control.
Does anyone yet have a clear idea who the hell is protesting? My impression is that dissatisfaction with Mubarak is so widespread that no one really knows who's on the streets -- mostly Muslim, mostly Coptic, what?
thanks for that -- I always get an oh-fuck-not-again bit of acid in the throat when I read a phrase like "a member of Mr. Mubarak???s party and chairman of the Al-Ahram publishing house."
An Egyptian antigovernment activist kisses a riot police officer during the clashes.
AP photo
Awesome photo.
Separate but related - I've been wondering to what extent it's possible that the military might not support the government if this goes on long enough - I don't know much about that dynamic in Egypt, though.
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speaking of which, the big one across from PacBell closed and it was half off everything. I made a good book haul.
True.
That's why I said European "powers". The powerful don't spend much time deferring to the little people.
Most of the net is down and Mobile is being locked down in preparation.
Real big. Really fucking big.
B/W
Every website has been absolutely fucked for the past 2 days - Twitter, Facebook... I wonder how much people's online engagement with each other over this via social media platforms has to do with it. A bit I'm sure.
Mass protests by the people has.
If one doesn't consider (foreign) military invasions and occupations as acts of terror, that is.
Bite your tongue, dude
I hear you.
But I was thinking of the suicide bomb, car bomb, attacks on civilians type of terror.
Totally ineffective beyond creating terror.
I don't know much about the Algerian independence war against France.
But I think that was more a Guerrilla war than terror attacks.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/28/obama-clinton-wobble-egypt-mubarak
I hear you, too. However, whether it comes in a car, in a purse or falls out of the sky, a bomb doesn't pick and choose whose limbs and heads it blows off.
"Formal" wars are absolutely attacks on civilians. Check the numbers please.
Agreed.
Change "terrorist" to "freedom fighter" and it's a different story.
By "a Pres. Mubarak" I mean it'll be same shit/possibly different dude. LIke putin/medvedev. Egypt is bought and paid for by the US. The US is not gonna let this get totally out-of-(their)-control.
And how exactly would they intervene?
B??ngo. Ch??le, Brazil, Argentina, Nicaragua -- that's terrorism. To say nothing of Black life in America since the very beginning, which has effectively constituted a dispersed but semi-unified people under constant terrorist threat from its umbrella gov't. Like Ishmael Reed said after the Oakland BART shooting, it's absurd to pretend that a mobile nation-state facing centuries of violence and repression is somehow a minor segment where things "just haven't quite worked out yet" -- it's a terrorized people under a hostile regime. Ghettos are terrorism, however 'institutional' or 'structural' their genesis: you can force people there with riot cops or game them there with racism and skewed economics, but that's terror-tactic, mayne.
Does anyone yet have a clear idea who the hell is protesting? My impression is that dissatisfaction with Mubarak is so widespread that no one really knows who's on the streets -- mostly Muslim, mostly Coptic, what?
THis may or may not help: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/29/world/middleeast/29mubarak.html?hp
An Egyptian antigovernment activist kisses a riot police officer during the clashes.
AP photo
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thanks for that -- I always get an oh-fuck-not-again bit of acid in the throat when I read a phrase like "a member of Mr. Mubarak???s party and chairman of the Al-Ahram publishing house."
Awesome photo.
Separate but related - I've been wondering to what extent it's possible that the military might not support the government if this goes on long enough - I don't know much about that dynamic in Egypt, though.
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
i hope things end positively soon, with little to no tragedy.
You talking about official, governmental rhetoric? Or American citizens?
official.
This:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/01/28/clinton-urges-egypt-to-support-its-people
vs. this:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/22/obama-stands-firm-restrained-response-iran-protests/
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