steers and queers (el paso related)

fishmongerfunkfishmongerfunk 4,154 Posts
edited July 2009 in Strut Central
after reading about that jaw-droppingly racist pool incident, i came across another story about blatant undue discrimination. have we entered a time warp back to the 50's?btw- never trust a cop to explain the law properly.EL PASO -- Two gay men kissed at a Chico's Tacos restaurant, prompting guards to eject them and a police officer to endorse their ouster.Civil-rights lawyers say the security staff was out of line. Police, though, contend that a business such as a restaurant can refuse service to anybody, any time.In all, five men were ordered to leave the restaurant. They say they were forced out by homophobic guards."It was a simple kiss on the lips," said Carlos Diaz de Leon, a gay man who was part of the group.He called police at 12:30 a.m. June 29 because he said the guards and restaurant had discriminated against the group after two of his friends kissed in public.The five men, all gay, were placing their order at the Chico's Tacos restaurant on Montwood when the men kissed. All five sat down, but the two guards at the restaurant told them to leave.De Leon quoted one of the guards as saying he didn't allow "that faggot stuff" in the restaurant.De Leon said they refused to leave and called police for help. He said an officer arrived about an hour later in response to calls from his group and the guards.As they waited for police, the guards directed other anti-gay slurs at them, he said.Already angry at the guards, de Leon and his group became angrier at the two police officers who arrived."I went up to the police officer to tell him what was going on, and he didn't want to hear my side," de Leon said. "He wanted to hear the security guard's sidefirst."Police declined to identify the officers who responded, but department spokesman Javier Sambrano described one officer as relatively inexperienced.De Leon said the officer told the group it was illegal for two men or two women to kiss in public. The five men, he said, were told they could be cited for homosexual conduct -- a law the U.S. Supreme Court ruled unconstitutional in 2003 in Lawrence v. Texas.That same year, the El Paso City Council approved an ordinance banning discrimination based on sexual orientation by businesses open to the public.An assistant manager at Chico's Tacos declined to comment Wednesday, except to say the owners of the restaurant were out of town and could not be reached. An official with All American International Security, the firm contracted by Chico's Tacos to supply guards, said one member of the security crew was contacting a lawyer. He would say no more.El Paso police Detective Carlos Carrillo said a more appropriate charge for what happened at Chico's Tacos would probably be criminal trespass."The security guard received a complaint from some of the customers there," Carrillo said. "Every business has the right to refuse service. They have the right to refuse service to whoever they don't want there. That's their prerogative."Briana Stone, a lawyer with the Paso del Norte Civil Rights Project, disagreed.She said the city anti-discrimination ordinance protects people on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation in public places. Perhaps more troubling, she said, was that the police officer chose not to enforce that ordinance and might have contributed to discrimination."This is such a blatant refusal to uphold the law on account of discrimination," she said. "The result is devastating. The Police Department is allowing that and even participating in it by refusing to enforce an anti-discrimination ordinance, which is what their job is."Lisa Graybill, legal director for the ACLU of Texas, said that businesses can ask patrons to leave for lewd conduct, but that those standards would have to apply to all customers."If a straight couple wouldn't have gotten kicked out for it," she said, "a gay couple shouldn't."The police officers involved did not file a report about the confrontation at Chico's Tacos. Carrillo said no report was made because officers thought the situation was under control and neither side requested a written account of the incident.De Leon said he and his friends left the restaurant after an officer threatened to issue a citation for "homosexual conduct."http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_12790543

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  • GrandfatherGrandfather 2,303 Posts
    Stupid guards, stupid cops.

  • This is very typical of El Paso security and law enforcement. And even the community of El Paso Tx. It has never been a place that tolerated homosexuality.
    I think its a lack of education and the up bringing of youth there. I'm not saying all of El Paso is like that. So before you crusify me i'm just going off of what I experienced while growing up. I have no problems with homosexuals. I never met one i didnt get along with.

  • GrandfatherGrandfather 2,303 Posts
    This is very typical of El Paso security and law enforcement. And even the community of El Paso Tx. It has never been a place that tolerated homosexuality.
    I think its a lack of education and the up bringing of youth there. I'm not saying all of El Paso is like that. So before you crusify me i'm just going off of what I experienced while growing up. I have no problems with homosexuals. I never met one i didnt get along with.

    Hmm, there's been a very popular gay nightclub in the town for years. It's probably one of the most successful nightclubs in town, if not the most successful.

    The gay pride parade has been going strong for almost 5 years now I think.

    That being said, I wouldnt disagree with your statements in general. I don't think gays are very well accepted en la raza.

  • dukeofdelridgedukeofdelridge urgent.monkey.mice 2,453 Posts
    I don't think gays are very well accepted en la raza.

    this dude totally hates queers

  • This is very typical of El Paso security and law enforcement. And even the community of El Paso Tx. It has never been a place that tolerated homosexuality.
    I think its a lack of education and the up bringing of youth there. I'm not saying all of El Paso is like that. So before you crusify me i'm just going off of what I experienced while growing up. I have no problems with homosexuals. I never met one i didnt get along with.

    Hmm, there's been a very popular gay nightclub in the town for years. It's probably one of the most successful nightclubs in town, if not the most successful.

    The gay pride parade has been going strong for almost 5 years now I think.

    That being said, I wouldnt disagree with your statements in general. I don't think gays are very well accepted en la raza.

    I left El Paso 10 years ago. But The Old Plantation had some dope house music back in the day. But it was not kool if everyone knew you went there. nahmean?
    The Raza is tuff on the homosexuals though. Just speaking the trooof!

  • maldorurrmaldorurr 120 Posts
    Man, I live in Texas, but between this, the Stonewall anniversary cop gay-bashing, and most of the last two centuries of Texas history in general, F*ck Texas.
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