I have passed on Nazi records, and Charles Manson records, because I don't want that sht around.
This is of course selective, I have sold plenty of other offensive records, like Michael Jackson and Louis Farakkahn, Derek and the Dominoes and Anita Bryant.
But sometimes I end up with something I find too offensive and want to get out of my possession as soon as possible. I usually price it as cheap as possible, there is always someone who thinks it is ironic and cool.
For me, if I ended up with neo-nazi punk, I would wholesale it to any number of honest punk dealers I know.
I would never destroy a record or book because I found it offensive. I find the destruction of books and records more offensive than the offending material.*
I don't hate ebay for their policy, or their inability to enforce it across the board. Nor do I hate anyone for trying to squeeze the most $$$ out of those records.
I can't see how selling this to some dumb skinhead is going to make anything worse (except his bank balance). Destroying records/books because you don't like what they say is, how do they say, Nazi-esque.
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Sell it to some self-righteous f*ck and let them destroy it. You'll get the cash and they'll feel they've "improved" the world.
destroying them in a public fashion is hardly the same as mass book-burnings or censorship.
Aside from matters of volume/degree, it's exactly the same thing.
It's not remotely the same thing. An individual tossing some records that he owns is completely different from state action.
Making a public display of destroying what you consider to be objectionable material (which is what was suggested above) is the same thing. No state sanction, but that's a separate issue.
I will try to sell pedophile material because I wouldn't be improving the world by not selling it
Good point. Say you have newspaper stand, selling mags and such. Would it be ok to sell child pornography? You might as well say. Hey, I just sell magazines and there happen to people who are into this stuff so....
I can't see how selling this to some dumb skinhead is going to make anything worse (except his bank balance). Destroying records/books because you don't like what they say is, how do they say, Nazi-esque.
b/w
Sell it to some self-righteous f*ck and let them destroy it. You'll get the cash and they'll feel they've "improved" the world.
destroying them in a public fashion is hardly the same as mass book-burnings or censorship.
Aside from matters of volume/degree, it's exactly the same thing.
It's not remotely the same thing. An individual tossing some records that he owns is completely different from state action.
Making a public display of destroying what you consider to be objectionable material (which is what was suggested above) is the same thing. No state sanction, but that's a separate issue.
It's not a separate issue--it's the only issue, and it's the reason why destroying a record that belongs to you is simply not comparable to censorship.
I can't see how selling this to some dumb skinhead is going to make anything worse (except his bank balance). Destroying records/books because you don't like what they say is, how do they say, Nazi-esque.
b/w
Sell it to some self-righteous f*ck and let them destroy it. You'll get the cash and they'll feel they've "improved" the world.
destroying them in a public fashion is hardly the same as mass book-burnings or censorship.
Aside from matters of volume/degree, it's exactly the same thing.
It's not remotely the same thing. An individual tossing some records that he owns is completely different from state action.
Making a public display of destroying what you consider to be objectionable material (which is what was suggested above) is the same thing. No state sanction, but that's a separate issue.
It's not a separate issue--it's the only issue, and it's the reason why destroying a record that belongs to you is simply not comparable to censorship.
It's not the only issue, and we've split this hair here before in the tread where the Xtian lady was stealing library books she didn't like and destroying them. It is exactly the same thing in spirit. If a government/state decides to engage in this behavior it's certainly worse, but essentially the same thing (like freelance murder vs. state sponsored killing, whether capital punishment or war).
Sell it to some self-righteous f*ck and let them destroy it.
Exactly. It's not some light hearted issue we're talking about here. F*&!ing nazis people! Idiots who believe that people who are not like them are worthless and shouldn't exist or even be erased from existence. I don't believe in burning books or records for that matter but I sure don't want to have any business with nazi related material or people who advocate nazi believes.
I will try to sell pedophile material because I wouldn't be improving the world by not selling it
Good point. Say you have newspaper stand, selling mags and such. Would it be ok to sell child pornography? You might as well say. Hey, I just sell magazines and there happen to people who are into this stuff so....
No but i was thinking about this same ideas as well.
What are some other "unsellable raers"? What if you came across some Tracy Lordz tapes/mags?
I can't see how selling this to some dumb skinhead is going to make anything worse (except his bank balance). Destroying records/books because you don't like what they say is, how do they say, Nazi-esque.
b/w
Sell it to some self-righteous f*ck and let them destroy it. You'll get the cash and they'll feel they've "improved" the world.
destroying them in a public fashion is hardly the same as mass book-burnings or censorship.
Aside from matters of volume/degree, it's exactly the same thing.
It's not remotely the same thing. An individual tossing some records that he owns is completely different from state action.
Making a public display of destroying what you consider to be objectionable material (which is what was suggested above) is the same thing. No state sanction, but that's a separate issue.
It's not a separate issue--it's the only issue, and it's the reason why destroying a record that belongs to you is simply not comparable to censorship.
It's not the only issue, and we've split this hair here before in the tread where the Xtian lady was stealing library books she didn't like and destroying them. It is exactly the same thing in spirit. If a government/state decides to engage in this behavior it's certainly worse, but essentially the same thing (like freelance murder vs. state sponsored killing, whether capital punishment or war).
*sigh*
This is hardly advanced hair-splitting. It's more like political science 101.
I personally think that killing is pretty much always bad. The suppression of ideas is only per se bad when the state is the one doing it.
There's nothing wrong with private individuals seeking to combat ideas that they find repugnant--even if smashing records is a pretty juvenile and ineffective tactic for doing so.
Really, in 2009, I can't believe that anybody would conflate destroying records with the destruction of ideas; ideas no longer reside primarily in physical objects like books or records, and there are dozens or hundreds of copies of the information contained in those records floating around.
I can't see how selling this to some dumb skinhead is going to make anything worse (except his bank balance). Destroying records/books because you don't like what they say is, how do they say, Nazi-esque.
b/w
Sell it to some self-righteous f*ck and let them destroy it. You'll get the cash and they'll feel they've "improved" the world.
destroying them in a public fashion is hardly the same as mass book-burnings or censorship.
Aside from matters of volume/degree, it's exactly the same thing.
It's not remotely the same thing. An individual tossing some records that he owns is completely different from state action.
Making a public display of destroying what you consider to be objectionable material (which is what was suggested above) is the same thing. No state sanction, but that's a separate issue.
It's not a separate issue--it's the only issue, and it's the reason why destroying a record that belongs to you is simply not comparable to censorship.
It's not the only issue, and we've split this hair here before in the tread where the Xtian lady was stealing library books she didn't like and destroying them. It is exactly the same thing in spirit. If a government/state decides to engage in this behavior it's certainly worse, but essentially the same thing (like freelance murder vs. state sponsored killing, whether capital punishment or war).
*sigh*
This is hardly advanced hair-splitting. It's more like political science 101.
I personally think that killing is pretty much always bad. The suppression of ideas is only per se bad when the state is the one doing it.
There's nothing wrong with private individuals seeking to combat ideas that they find repugnant--even if smashing records is a pretty juvenile and ineffective tactic for doing so.
Really, in 2009, I can't believe that anybody would conflate destroying records with the destruction of ideas; ideas no longer reside primarily in physical objects like books or records, and there are dozens or hundreds of copies of the information contained in those records floating around.
Destroying a few records in public might not be the same thing as a mass government sponsored book burning, but it is still abhorrent.
I will admit to being a hypocrite. I thought it was brilliant when Music Millennium had a Garth Brooks CD BBQ after he said he wouldn't allow them to sell his CDs.
Find a friend with a dubplate press. Rip the lps to computer. Edit songs to remove all the negative racist words. Replace with quotes from Sponge Bob or something. Record edited audio to dubpate. Sell on ebay as super raer. Profit.
I have no problem attempting to extract value from it
your playing into the game right there, even if you donate the money made from these.
I agree. you end up selling them to some bottom-feeder that buys into that shit, who potentially will play it for his little buddies. Why spread the word?
After you sell them to some far right nutcase...make sure to post his adress and details all over anti nazi sites!
Also, if you put a disclaimer on the sale saying "These records are only sold for the intent that the buyer will burn them once they arrive"...
Or maybe claim that "any profits made from this sale will go directly into anti facist organisations etc..."
After you sell them to some far right nutcase...make sure to post his adress and details all over anti nazi sites!
Wouldn't that be rather nazi-ish behavior itself?
Its a joke.
Personally I would prefer the anarchist approach. Put the record up for sale, however buys it, instead of sending the records you mail them a letter bomb- Then you offer the record as second chance buy- and repeat the exersise again....
But for real- if it was me, I would sell the records but take the money and give it to an anti fascist group, prefrably from the buyers own country, then tell them buyer what i did and thank him for contributing to a good cause.
Did it occur to anybody that a non-racist might buy these records because they just happen to like Skrewdriver?
Jonny can eBay this wax just like any other with no guilt IMO. Get that money.
I know several people who have Skrewdriver Lps as a 'guilty' pleasure. They were a damn good band aside from the evil message.
PS - years ago we bought out a store's entire stock. Upon unpacking the boxes, we found a cache of rare nazi documentary Lps. Songs of the submarines, various speeches etc.
I sold most of them to Black or Jewish scholars who were grateful to find them.
Did it occur to anybody that a non-racist might buy these records because they just happen to like Skrewdriver?
Jonny can eBay this wax just like any other with no guilt IMO. Get that money.
melt to record bowl and make loot, everyone happy: jonny get money, neonazi get record, music doesn't get played, with bonus of potato chip have new home.
People could want these records for a multitude of reasons. Many of them could be purely academic or historical reasons with no relation to whatever hate is included within the music.
You can't judge a buyer on whatever motivations you THINK he might have when purchasing something. How many museums hold controversial and sometimes even downright painful to look at items for the sake of education? Who else has been to the DC Holocaust Museum and felt a little more of the true pain that people endured because of the artifacts and footage contained there.
Music can tell a story of what is going on in a society at a particular time. Yes, Skrewdrivers side of the story is abhorrent, but it is no less of a part of the story than anyone other persons whose view we might agree with.
Burning books, records, or art on either side of the isle is not right because it all adds up to the story of our lives.
Not exactly germane (no pun intended) to the issue at hand, but 20 or a million years ago, I went to see D.I. in Houston. (For the old school Texas heads: the show was supposed to be at the Axiom, but they got shut down temporarily that day and it was held somewhere else.) The opening band was Bulimia Banquet and was made up of two guys and two girls.
At one point, Slammin' Willie, a notorious/huge/scary-as-hell Houston skinhead shouted, "Play some Skrewdriver!" The lead singer, Jula, simply responded, "No." Not content, Willie countered with, "Why not?"
Burning books, records, or art on either side of the isle is not right because it all adds up to the story of our lives.
Most books, records and "art" are junk--we as a society may not be "burning" them, but we dispose of them all the time. I know I do.
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Burning books, records, or art on either side of the isle is not right because it all adds up to the story of our lives.
Most books, records and "art" are junk--we as a society may not be "burning" them, but we dispose of them all the time. I know I do.
Now what's funky, I say pussy on an old hoe I guess y'all fools don't know Why some good rappers can't sell no tapes It's not the company's fault, the shit sounds fake You wanna be in the trunk, with the booming box While the young bitches ride on your jock You can't do it like this homey, so just pass it And stop kissing them white folks asses It's like you smoked a whole damn key You rap so fast you keep leaving the beat I'm from the old school, I love P-Funk But now rap music is all that they want So when I'm in my car, I play Clinton And when I'm on the stage I start pimping And when I hear your shit, I push eject Then I throw it out the window with the rejects
Did it occur to anybody that a non-racist might buy these records because they just happen to like Skrewdriver?
Jonny can eBay this wax just like any other with no guilt IMO. Get that money.
Anyone who listens to a Skrewdriver record recorded later than 1977 because they actually like the music has obviously got bigger problems than we can get into here. How they were going to inspire a race war with such mediocre music has been a mystery to me for a long time.
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This is of course selective, I have sold plenty of other offensive records, like Michael Jackson and Louis Farakkahn, Derek and the Dominoes and Anita Bryant.
But sometimes I end up with something I find too offensive and want to get out of my possession as soon as possible. I usually price it as cheap as possible, there is always someone who thinks it is ironic and cool.
For me, if I ended up with neo-nazi punk, I would wholesale it to any number of honest punk dealers I know.
I would never destroy a record or book because I found it offensive. I find the destruction of books and records more offensive than the offending material.*
I don't hate ebay for their policy, or their inability to enforce it across the board. Nor do I hate anyone for trying to squeeze the most $$$ out of those records.
*Exceptions made for underageporn.
Making a public display of destroying what you consider to be objectionable material (which is what was suggested above) is the same thing. No state sanction, but that's a separate issue.
Good point. Say you have newspaper stand, selling mags and such. Would it be ok to sell child pornography? You might as well say. Hey, I just sell magazines and there happen to people who are into this stuff so....
It's not a separate issue--it's the only issue, and it's the reason why destroying a record that belongs to you is simply not comparable to censorship.
It's not the only issue, and we've split this hair here before in the tread where the Xtian lady was stealing library books she didn't like and destroying them. It is exactly the same thing in spirit. If a government/state decides to engage in this behavior it's certainly worse, but essentially the same thing (like freelance murder vs. state sponsored killing, whether capital punishment or war).
Exactly. It's not some light hearted issue we're talking about here. F*&!ing nazis people! Idiots who believe that people who are not like them are worthless and shouldn't exist or even be erased from existence.
I don't believe in burning books or records for that matter but I sure don't want to have any business with nazi related material or people who advocate nazi believes.
No
What are some other "unsellable raers"?
What if you came across some Tracy Lordz tapes/mags?
*sigh*
This is hardly advanced hair-splitting. It's more like political science 101.
I personally think that killing is pretty much always bad. The suppression of ideas is only per se bad when the state is the one doing it.
There's nothing wrong with private individuals seeking to combat ideas that they find repugnant--even if smashing records is a pretty juvenile and ineffective tactic for doing so.
Really, in 2009, I can't believe that anybody would conflate destroying records with the destruction of ideas; ideas no longer reside primarily in physical objects like books or records, and there are dozens or hundreds of copies of the information contained in those records floating around.
Destroying a few records in public might not be the same thing as a mass government sponsored book burning, but it is still abhorrent.
I will admit to being a hypocrite.
I thought it was brilliant when Music Millennium had a Garth Brooks CD BBQ after he said he wouldn't allow them to sell his CDs.
Then that hateful shit will no longer be your problem.
Rip the lps to computer.
Edit songs to remove all the negative racist words.
Replace with quotes from Sponge Bob or something.
Record edited audio to dubpate.
Sell on ebay as super raer.
Profit.
After you sell them to some far right nutcase...make sure to post his adress and details all over anti nazi sites!
Also, if you put a disclaimer on the sale saying "These records are only sold for the intent that the buyer will burn them once they arrive"...
Or maybe claim that "any profits made from this sale will go directly into anti facist organisations etc..."
Wouldn't that be rather nazi-ish behavior itself?
Its a joke.
Personally I would prefer the anarchist approach. Put the record up for sale, however buys it, instead of sending the records you mail them a letter bomb- Then you offer the record as second chance buy- and repeat the exersise again....
But for real- if it was me, I would sell the records but take the money and give it to an anti fascist group, prefrably from the buyers own country, then tell them buyer what i did and thank him for contributing to a good cause.
Jonny can eBay this wax just like any other with no guilt IMO. Get that money.
I know several people who have Skrewdriver Lps as a 'guilty' pleasure. They were a damn good band aside from the evil message.
PS - years ago we bought out a store's entire stock. Upon unpacking the boxes, we found a cache of rare nazi documentary Lps. Songs of the submarines, various speeches etc.
I sold most of them to Black or Jewish scholars who were grateful to find them.
melt to record bowl and make loot, everyone happy: jonny get money, neonazi get record, music doesn't get played, with bonus of potato chip have new home.
You can't judge a buyer on whatever motivations you THINK he might have when purchasing something. How many museums hold controversial and sometimes even downright painful to look at items for the sake of education? Who else has been to the DC Holocaust Museum and felt a little more of the true pain that people endured because of the artifacts and footage contained there.
Music can tell a story of what is going on in a society at a particular time. Yes, Skrewdrivers side of the story is abhorrent, but it is no less of a part of the story than anyone other persons whose view we might agree with.
Burning books, records, or art on either side of the isle is not right because it all adds up to the story of our lives.
At one point, Slammin' Willie, a notorious/huge/scary-as-hell Houston skinhead shouted, "Play some Skrewdriver!" The lead singer, Jula, simply responded, "No." Not content, Willie countered with, "Why not?"
Jula said, "Because we're GIRLS!"
Most books, records and "art" are junk--we as a society may not be "burning" them, but we dispose of them all the time. I know I do.
Now what's funky, I say pussy on an old hoe
I guess y'all fools don't know
Why some good rappers can't sell no tapes
It's not the company's fault, the shit sounds fake
You wanna be in the trunk, with the booming box
While the young bitches ride on your jock
You can't do it like this homey, so just pass it
And stop kissing them white folks asses
It's like you smoked a whole damn key
You rap so fast you keep leaving the beat
I'm from the old school, I love P-Funk
But now rap music is all that they want
So when I'm in my car, I play Clinton
And when I'm on the stage I start pimping
And when I hear your shit, I push eject
Then I throw it out the window with the rejects
Anyone who listens to a Skrewdriver record recorded later than 1977 because they actually like the music has obviously got bigger problems than we can get into here. How they were going to inspire a race war with such mediocre music has been a mystery to me for a long time.
Do you really dispose of them? As in trashed? Or do you send them to Goodwill/library sale/old ladies/etc.?
You are starting to dodge and waiver.
The protest was over pubic destruction of a record based on it's content.
Now you are talking about "disposing" of trash.
The only books, records or art I have ever thrown in the trash have been damaged beyond any use.
I doubt that there are many people, besides yourself, who after reading a Dan Brown novel or purchasing a Fairley print throw it in the trash.