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Electoral College vs. Popular Vote

dayday 9,611 Posts
edited October 2008 in Strut Central
I talked to a friend today and asked him if he was gonna vote. He said "naw, California's electoral college is voting democrat so it won't matter if I vote or not. The electoral college decides.". He went on to say if the popular vote truly mattered, Gore would have won in '00.b,121b, 21I understand what he's saying, but how many other people are thinking the same thing? And how right is dude really?

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  • barjesusbarjesus 872 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121Gore would have won in '00.[/b] b, 21b, 21h,121
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  • dayday 9,611 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Gore would have won in '00.[/b] b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1 b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21Yeah, oops.
  • CosmoCosmo 9,768 Posts
    Your dude is acting like an ass.
  • kidinquisitivekidinquisitive 1,627 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121I talked to a friend today and asked him if he was gonna vote. He said "naw, California's electoral college is voting democrat so it won't matter if I vote or not. The electoral college decides.". He went on to say if the popular vote truly mattered, Gore would have won in '04.b,121b, 21I understand what he's saying, but how many other people are thinking the same thing? And how right is dude really? b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21If the presidential election is all the guy cares about, then Obama should be OK without him in California, which is not a competitive state for McCain. Some of us think that local and statewide offices and ballot measures matter though.
  • dayday 9,611 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121Your dude is acting like an ass. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/liljohn.gif" alt="" /1b, 21b, 21I tried to tell him, but I didn't have time to get into it. I was hoping to get some facts from urrybody to help convince him otherwise.b, 21b, 21/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121I talked to a friend today and asked him if he was gonna vote. He said "naw, California's electoral college is voting democrat so it won't matter if I vote or not. The electoral college decides.". He went on to say if the popular vote truly mattered, Gore would have won in '04.b,121b, 21I understand what he's saying, but how many other people are thinking the same thing? And how right is dude really? b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21If the presidential election is all the guy cares about, then Obama should be OK without him in California, which is not a competitive state for McCain. Some of us think that local and statewide offices and ballot measures matter though. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21Yeah, his argument was that he didn't know enough about the measures to vote on them. I know, I know...b,121b, 21It's his prerogative (he can do what he wanna doooo), but if a big enough group of people are thinking "F*ck it, he'll be aiiiiight", that can't be good.
  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121I talked to a friend today and asked him if he was gonna vote. He said "naw, California's electoral college is voting democrat so it won't matter if I vote or not. The electoral college decides.". He went on to say if the popular vote truly mattered, Gore would have won in '00.b,121b, 21I understand what he's saying, but how many other people are thinking the same thing? And how right is dude really? b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21Why you should vote:b, 21 img src="http://alcofcc.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/schwerner-goodman-chaney.jpg"1 b, 211) People died for your right to vote. b, 212) Voting is a civic duty.b,1213) If Obama is to govern he will need to win in a landslide. CA's popular can add to his record landslide numbers. b,1214) If you don't vote you can't bitch. SO SHUT THE FUSK UP ABOUT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND '00 AND WHAT EVER ELSE YOU ARE WHINING ABOUT.b,1215) Pick up a fusking voters pamphlet and read about the candidates and ballot measures. It wont take you more than an hour to read it in the morning and then stop at the polls on your way to work. b,1216) You can tell your grandkids you were part of history.b,1217) Some polling places give out cool I Voted stickers just like when you got a star in kindergarten.
  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121[3) If Obama is to govern he will need to win in a landslide. CA's popular can add to his record landslide numbers. b,121 b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21Plaese to explain?
  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121[3) If Obama is to govern he will need to win in a landslide. CA's popular can add to his record landslide numbers. b,121 b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21Plaese to explain? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21Which part do you want me to explain?b,121b, 21The importance of winning by large numbers so as to have a mandate? Or CA's ability to add to the size of the popular vote?
  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121[3) If Obama is to govern he will need to win in a landslide. b, 21 b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21Plaese to explain? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21Which part do you want me to explain?b,121b, 21 b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21Just that part.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121I talked to a friend today and asked him if he was gonna vote. He said "naw, California's electoral college is voting democrat so it won't matter if I vote or not. The electoral college decides.". He went on to say if the popular vote truly mattered, Gore would have won in '00.b,121b, 21I understand what he's saying, but how many other people are thinking the same thing? And how right is dude really? b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21Your boy sounds unclear on how voting works. b,121b, 21The national popular vote doesn't mean as much as the electoral vote. But a STATE'S popular vote is absolutely important. You can't win electoral votes for a state if you lose the popular vote in the state.
  • Mad Drama TeacherMad Drama Teacher 1,985 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,1214) If you don't vote you can't bitch.b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21But he's affected by the laws passed whether or not he votes, so he does have a right to complain.
  • Young_PhonicsYoung_Phonics 8,039 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121I talked to a friend today and asked him if he was gonna vote. He said "naw, California's electoral college is voting democrat so it won't matter if I vote or not. The electoral college decides.". He went on to say if the popular vote truly mattered, Gore would have won in '00.b,121b, 21I understand what he's saying, but how many other people are thinking the same thing? And how right is dude really? b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21Why you should vote:b, 21 img src="http://alcofcc.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/schwerner-goodman-chaney.jpg"1 b, 211) People died for your right to vote. b, 21 b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21ex-f*cking-zactly.b, 21b, 21at the end of the day that's shit that gets me moved to vote.
  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Another thing you might want to mention to your friend is that those who vote get the $$$$. b, 21b, 21The largest voting block is seniors. Not because there are more seniors, but because they vote in larger percentage than any one else. b, 21b, 21They are also receive the largest share of non-defense tax dollars. It doesn't matter if you are rich or poor, if you are old receive the both socialized medicine and retirement as well as many other government benefits. Why? Because they vote. Full Stop.b, 21b, 21Why tax cuts for the rich? The rich vote in larger percentages than the poor. b, 21b, 21Why so much money for ethanol? Iowa is the first primary state. b, 21b, 21There is a lot of power in voting. b, 21b, 21If pot heads voted in the same percentage as seniors pot would be free and government subsidized.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Why tax cuts for the rich? The rich vote in larger percentages than the poor. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21And lobby. And bankroll campaigns. And have the money to run for office. And...
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    #1 - the larger Obama's lead, the bigger the mandate. b, 21b, 21#2 - California is not quite close, but I read some early voting stats that were pretty close.b, 21b, 21Everyone needs to vote if they give a shit.
  • selperfugeselperfuge 1,165 Posts
    this is why: http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/nov/nov01.html/a1
  • spelunkspelunk 3,400 Posts
    There really isn't an excuse not to vote.b, 21b, 21Question: With early voting, are they going to count those numbers afterwards like absentee ballots or with the election day votes?
  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121There really isn't an excuse not to vote.b, 21b, 21Question: With early voting, are they going to count those numbers afterwards like absentee ballots or with the election day votes? b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21It will be different state by state and county by county. Yet another way that our country fails to run fair and open elections.
  • BunkBunk 15 Posts
    The Electoral College exists because our founding fathers did not trust an angry mob. I've got to say I agree with them on that. Does that make it right? I have no idea. b, 21b, 21It should be noted again that if we didn't have one we wouldn't have had eight years of G Dubb.
  • selperfugeselperfuge 1,165 Posts
    more evidence that democracy simply does not work
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