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The Chalice label (Stax subsidiary)

luckluck 4,077 Posts
edited October 2008 in Strut Central
CHALICE

C-100 The Christian Harmonizers - Don't Need No Doctor / Jesus Will Send Down His Blessings
C-101 The Pattersonaires - Why Not Try My God / How Long Oh Lord How Long
C-102 The Dixie Nightingales - Assassination / Hush Hush
C-103 The Dixie Nightingales - I Don't Know / Keep On Trying
C-104 The Stars Of Virginia - Wade In The Water / God's Got A Way
C-105 The Dixie Nightingales - Forgive These Fools / There's Not A Friend
C-106 The Jubilee Hummingbirds - Our Freedom Song / Press My Dying Pillow
C-107 The Pattersonaires - God's Promise / He's Worthy

Some good tracks here, and what's astonishing is that The Dixie Nightingales' "All I Need Is Some Sunshine In My Life" was never legitimately released until 1997.
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  • The_Hook_UpThe_Hook_Up 8,182 Posts
    on a kinda related note a 3 volume set of 2LPs each, of the best of Designer records (one of memphis' best if not THE best gospel label) tracks is now in the works...there is gonna be some heat on those comps...stay tuned...
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121on a kinda related note a 3 volume set of 2LPs each, of the best of Designer records (one of memphis' best if not THE best gospel label) tracks is now in the works...there is gonna be some heat on those comps...stay tuned... b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21Holy F*ck.b, 21b, 21b, 21b, 21wait - who's putting this out? I was just talking about the probability of a project like this with Sevier.
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    Of course, I will be buying all three volumes, unless it's on some 180-Gram Audiophile $35.99 bullshit.
  • The_Hook_UpThe_Hook_Up 8,182 Posts
    my lips are sealed for the time being on what label(established indie), but the rights to Designer have been purchased from the Wooten family(unfortunately no records or master tapes), and track selection and digital transfers are in the early stages...but it is being done by a long time designer collector and is being done here in Memphis...I recently was able to dig through and check out a few hundred Designers with the compliler (my DJ partner) recently...the compliler had a couple hundred titles to begin with and recently a few hundred more were unearthed down in MS, which were unknown to us...there were some freakin facemelters in there...but its estimated there are over a 1000 different 45s(!) and a handful of LPs...
  • kalakala 3,362 Posts
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b, 21HOLYSHITb,121b,121it never really ends does it?b,121there is an endless supply of funk and soul from america
  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b, 21HOLYSHITb,121b,121it never really ends does it?b,121there is an endless supply of funk and soul from america b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21but we're not talking about funk and soul, were talking about GOSPELb,121b,121and the reason why the supply seems endless is because most gospel, starting around 1960, has been overlooked as far as reissues go. all the smaller labels really haven't been covered in depth. maybe the bigger indies like nashboro, but after that, not much. so the stuff is out there
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121CHALICEb,121b, 21C-100 The Christian Harmonizers - Don't Need No Doctor / Jesus Will Send Down His Blessingsb, 21C-101 The Pattersonaires - Why Not Try My God / How Long Oh Lord How Longb, 21C-102 The Dixie Nightingales - Assassination / Hush Hushb, 21C-103 The Dixie Nightingales - I Don't Know / Keep On Tryingb, 21C-104 The Stars Of Virginia - Wade In The Water / God's Got A Wayb, 21C-105 The Dixie Nightingales - Forgive These Fools / There's Not A Friendb, 21C-106 The Jubilee Hummingbirds - Our Freedom Song / Press My Dying Pillowb, 21C-107 The Pattersonaires - God's Promise / He's Worthyb,121b, 21Some good tracks here, and what's astonishing is that The Dixie Nightingales' "All I Need Is Some Sunshine In My Life" was never legitimately released until 1997. b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21So Stax had at least two gospel subsidiaries?
  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121CHALICEb,121b, 21C-100 The Christian Harmonizers - Don't Need No Doctor / Jesus Will Send Down His Blessingsb, 21C-101 The Pattersonaires - Why Not Try My God / How Long Oh Lord How Longb, 21C-102 The Dixie Nightingales - Assassination / Hush Hushb, 21C-103 The Dixie Nightingales - I Don't Know / Keep On Tryingb, 21C-104 The Stars Of Virginia - Wade In The Water / God's Got A Wayb, 21C-105 The Dixie Nightingales - Forgive These Fools / There's Not A Friendb, 21C-106 The Jubilee Hummingbirds - Our Freedom Song / Press My Dying Pillowb, 21C-107 The Pattersonaires - God's Promise / He's Worthyb,121b, 21Some good tracks here, and what's astonishing is that The Dixie Nightingales' "All I Need Is Some Sunshine In My Life" was never legitimately released until 1997. b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21So Stax had at least two gospel subsidiaries? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21Yes. Chalice was from the sixties, when Stax was still distributed by Atlantic, and not to be confused with the arguably-better-known Gospel Truth in the '70s.
  • The_Hook_UpThe_Hook_Up 8,182 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b, 21HOLYSHITb, 21b, 21it never really ends does it?b, 21there is an endless supply of funk and soul from america b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21but we're not talking about funk and soul, were talking about GOSPELb,121b,121 b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21true but, outside of the lyric content a lot of this Designer stuff is straight up raw soul and funk, its pretty amazing...even some Psych...there are some of these singles that have what sound like every Electro harmonix and maestro pedal hooked up...they are of the "holy shit" variety...
  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b,121HOLYSHITb,121b, 21it never really ends does it?b, 21there is an endless supply of funk and soul from america b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21but we're not talking about funk and soul, were talking about GOSPELb,121b,121 b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21true but, outside of the lyric content a lot of this Designer stuff is straight up raw soul and funk, its pretty amazing...even some Psych...there are some of these singles that have what sound like every Electro harmonix and maestro pedal hooked up...they are of the "holy shit" variety... b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21I wasn't disagreeing with you, re: Designer. I've known of that label for years, and a lot of black gospel usually mirrors what's going on in contemporary black music. THAT doesn't surprise me.b,121b, 21The point I was trying to make was that Kala was amazed that there was still this motherlode of black music that hadn't been tapped, and I basically told him it was because a lot of gospel of the '60s and '70s hasn't been comped yet. (ESPECIALLY smaller labels like Designer.) Usually, as far as the collector market goes, everybody focused on the 1950's and earlier. Only in the past few years have I noticed people finally moving beyond that era, gospel-wise.
  • djcoolhandsdjcoolhands 548 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121a lot of black gospel usually mirrors what's going on in contemporary black music.b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21i think ray charles and later al green were major reasons this happened, otherwise it is not a natural crossover. it actually should surprise you.
  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121a lot of black gospel usually mirrors what's going on in contemporary black music.b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21i think ray charles and later al green were major reasons this happened, otherwise it is not a natural crossover. it actually should surprise you. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/NO.gif" alt="" /1
  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121a lot of black gospel usually mirrors what's going on in contemporary black music.b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121 i think ray charles and later al green were major reasons this happened, otherwise it is not a natural crossover. it actually should surprise you. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21no, it doesnt surprise me. gospel folks are out in the world like everyone else, they dont live in a vacuum. if, in 1968, the violinaires decided to deliver the word with a boogaloo beat, it shouldnt be a shock. more like a logical extension.
  • onetetonetet 1,754 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121a lot of black gospel usually mirrors what's going on in contemporary black music.b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21i think ray charles and later al green were major reasons this happened, otherwise it is not a natural crossover. it actually should surprise you. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21sam cooke = minor + unnatural
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121what's astonishing is that The Dixie Nightingales' "All I Need Is Some Sunshine In My Life" was never legitimately released until 1997. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21I found a blog with this song on file: a href="http://www.entertainingthings.com/2008/01/06/the-dixie-nightingales/" target="_blank"1WOW, for those not up on it./a1b,121b, 21It's the second of the two player links.
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121a lot of black gospel usually mirrors what's going on in contemporary black music.b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21i think ray charles and later al green were major reasons this happened, otherwise it is not a natural crossover. it actually should surprise you. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/NO.gif" alt="" /1 b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Hah. Looks like the "International Vinyl Gigolo" needs a copy of a href="http://www.amazon.com/SAR-Records-Story-Pack-Booklet/dp/B000003BD4" target="_blank"1THIS MAJICK./a1 Then, a href="http://www.amazon.com/Good-God-Gospel-Funk-Hymnal/dp/B000H0M4ZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1224898121&sr=1-1" target="_blank"1THIS POWER./a1
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121a lot of black gospel usually mirrors what's going on in contemporary black music.b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21i think ray charles and later al green were major reasons this happened, otherwise it is not a natural crossover. it actually should surprise you. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /1
  • djcoolhandsdjcoolhands 548 Posts
    you guys think you're funny. and that's cool. i wasn't really disagreeing with anyone. mearly commenting that there is a deep gospel tradition that was crossed over with popular secular music.b, 21b, 21a lot of artists were responsible, but i don't think it was a natural extentsion or evolution.b,121b, 21luck, go ask rob who i am before you clown and tell me i need to be up on Numero releases. if you don't know, don't assume.
  • kalakala 3,362 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b, 21HOLYSHITb, 21b, 21it never really ends does it?b, 21there is an endless supply of funk and soul from america b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21but we're not talking about funk and soul, were talking about GOSPELb, 21b, 21 b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21true but, outside of the lyric content a lot of this Designer stuff is straight up raw soul and funk, its pretty amazing...even some Psych...there are some of these singles that have what sound like every Electro harmonix and maestro pedal hooked up...they are of the "holy shit" variety... b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21I wasn't disagreeing with you, re: Designer. I've known of that label for years, and a lot of black gospel usually mirrors what's going on in contemporary black music. THAT doesn't surprise me.b, 21b, 21The point I was trying to make was that Kala was amazed that there was still this motherlode of black music that hadn't been tapped, and I basically told him it was because a lot of gospel of the '60s and '70s hasn't been comped yet. (ESPECIALLY smaller labels like Designer.) Usually, as far as the collector market goes, everybody focused on the 1950's and earlier. Only in the past few years have I noticed people finally moving beyond that era, gospel-wise. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21gee thanks for the schooling on GOSPEL.... oh holy and revered oneb,121b, 21while i realize you have exetensive music knowledge and are revered as "the oracle" of the forum i see a pattern of you correcting me and trying to "skool me"...i've usually ignored this because unlike most of the assholes on this forum you can actually back up your bullshit with some applicable substanceb,121b, 21but your "know it all schtick" is getting tired .... i could give a fuckkk what you thinkb, 21b, 21i have been collecting gospel way before i signed on to soulstrut in 03b, 21b, 21 gospel is a very broad category [and to my ears another word for deeply soulful music from the heart]which as the hookup rightly notes, includes broad "diversions" and ALWAYS mirrors contemporary African American music ...delving into the territory of R&B/funk/sou/and boogie/disco..and in some rare instances psych/rockb, 21b, 21so pretty please with sugar on top do us both a favor and put a sock on it son
  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121you guys think you're funny. and that's cool. i wasn't really disagreeing with anyone. mearly commenting that there is a deep gospel tradition that was crossed over with popular secular music.b, 21b, 21a lot of artists were responsible, but i don't think it was a natural extentsion or evolution.b, 21b, 21luck, go ask rob who i am before you clown and tell me i need to be up on Numero releases. if you don't know, don't assume. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21No dis, but I have no idea what your point is. b, 21b, 21Black spiritual music, and Black popular music have always been linked. At least back to the first recordings of New Orleans Jazz, and delta blues and most importantly Tom Dorsey. Seems like both an extension and natural to me. b, 21b, 21The evolution of both styles have had many parallels. Gospel has often tried to pretend that it has nothing to do with popular music. This has resulted in gospel innovations occasionally lagging behind pop innovations. b, 21b, 21I'm not sure if I have addressed what you are trying to say and i am sure it has nothing to do with the Chalice label, which I don't think I have ever seen or heard, but I want to.
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121No dis, but I have no idea what your point is.b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21I'm with you, D*n. In succession, the comments are as follows:b, 21b, 21/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121i don't think it was a natural extentsion or evolutionb, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21And then:b, 21b, 21/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121there is a deep gospel tradition that was crossed over with popular secular music.b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21b, 21These are two seemingly conflicting statements. Taken in context, it's easy to "assume" that CoolHands was either poorly served by his phrasing or was actually speaking out of turn. CH: I have no problem with either conclusion, and I'm sure that you're a nice guy, but you can see why D*n and I are confused and I recommended you some releases that are well in line with the notion of gospel hybrids. I meant what I said in a jocular sense.b, 21b, 21b,121b, 21And as an aside to Kala: P33's "know it all schtick" is honestly more a matter-of-fact statement. You have to know the man as a man to know that he's never lording information over anyone. Just saying.
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    There is a 1997 Chalice comp that surprisingly leaves off half of the 16 discographical tracks, yet adds about 15-17 more. Worth it for the inclusion of "All I Need Is Some Sunshine in My Life" alone.b, 21b, 21 a href="http://product.half.ebay.com/_W0QQtgZdetailsQ2drefreshQQprZ3254230" target="_blank"1link/a1
  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121gee thanks for the schooling on GOSPEL.... oh holy and revered oneb, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21Anytime!! img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /1b, 21b, 21/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121while i realize you have exetensive music knowledge and are revered as "the oracle" of the forum i see a pattern of you correcting me and trying to "skool me"...i've usually ignored this because unlike most of the assholes on this forum you can actually back up your bullshit with some applicable substanceb, 21b, 21but your "know it all schtick" is getting tired .... i could give a fuckkk what you thinkb, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21I apologize if I got on your bad side with these corrections (seriously), but hey...i1you fucked up./i1 I was supposed to let it pass? b, 21b, 21/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121i have been collecting gospel way before i signed on to soulstrut in 03b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121kala b, 21Reged: b1Jul 14 2006/b1 b, 21b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121 gospel is a very broad category [and to my ears another word for deeply soulful music from the heart]which as the hookup rightly notes, includes broad "diversions" and ALWAYS mirrors contemporary African American music ...delving into the territory of R&B/funk/sou/and boogie/disco..and in some rare instances psych/rockb, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21Not to take away from Hookup (who knows his stuff for damn sure), but that was originally ME who said that gospel usually mirrors contemporary Af-Am music...oh shit, there I go correcting you again!! Sorry, forgot we were supposed to get by with (your) wrong info...okay, I'll shut up now! Promise!!
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    Well, Kala has been several different posters on the Strut. L13 comes to mind.
  • SoulhawkSoulhawk 3,197 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121put a sock on it son b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21yeah, thatb,121b, 21GOSPEL BEEF
  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    Just because it hasn't actually been said yet: up to a certain point R&B borrows more from gospel (well hell, it really is just secularizing gospel) than vice versa. It's the late 60s thru early 80s where gospel echoes what's happening in popular music rather than the other way around.
  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121 It's the late 60s thru early 80s where gospel echoes what's happening in popular music rather than the other way around. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21I'd put it right up to today, thanks to Kirk Franklin and quite a few "gospel rap" acts going around.
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 It's the late 60s thru early 80s where gospel echoes what's happening in popular music rather than the other way around. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21I'd put it right up to today, thanks to Kirk Franklin and quite a few "gospel rap" acts going around. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21And that's not even mentioning today's religious music in general which - after Keith Green unwittingly opened the door to it in 1980 - became an intentionally derivative moneymaking venture that rode on the fabricated notion of a "Christian subculture."
  • inVrsinVrs 687 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121what's astonishing is that The Dixie Nightingales' "All I Need Is Some Sunshine In My Life" was never legitimately released until 1997. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21I found a blog with this song on file: a href="http://www.entertainingthings.com/2008/01/06/the-dixie-nightingales/" target="_blank"1WOW, for those not up on it./a1b,121b, 21It's the second of the two player links. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21wow, that sounds pretty impressive.
  • djcoolhandsdjcoolhands 548 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 It's the late 60s thru early 80s where gospel echoes what's happening in popular music rather than the other way around. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b, 21I'd put it right up to today, thanks to Kirk Franklin and quite a few "gospel rap" acts going around. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21don't forget MC Sweet for the Rapper's Delight stylings img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headz.gif" alt="" /1b, 21b, 21i understand what you both are saying about gospel. i'm saying something slightly different (and a lot less eloquently). we can agree to disagree on the point. b, 21b, 21instead of clowning, you might discuss. if i've learned only one thing about this board is that there have always been people who are deep into what they do. it is easy to underestimate people on here. i always try to stay humble. i just ask for the same sentiment. i mean, i am licesening a track for Numero for Good God 2. gospel is one my specialties. it struck me as ironic that luck was telling i needed to do some homework, at least that's how i took it.
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