Quote:/font1h,121b,121Where is Vitamin to stick up for this nonsense? I'd love to hear him try to make even 1 coherent argument against gay marriage. I think even he know's that this is just blatant discrimination. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I think you think I am a social conservative. I am not. I am in favor of allowing man on man/woman on woman marriage. More important I endorse equal rights for civil unions. So does Sarah Palin, at least in her debate earlier this month. Among others on the other side of this issue are Bill Clinton and John Edwards.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Where is Vitamin to stick up for this nonsense? I'd love to hear him try to make even 1 coherent argument against gay marriage. I think even he know's that this is just blatant discrimination. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I think you think I am a social conservative. I am not. I am in favor of allowing man on man/woman on woman marriage. More important I endorse equal rights for civil unions. So does Sarah Palin, at least in her debate earlier this month. Among others on the other side of this issue are Bill Clinton and John Edwards. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Sarah Palin supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Where is Vitamin to stick up for this nonsense? I'd love to hear him try to make even 1 coherent argument against gay marriage. I think even he know's that this is just blatant discrimination. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I think you think I am a social conservative. I am not. I am in favor of allowing man on man/woman on woman marriage. More important I endorse equal rights for civil unions. So does Sarah Palin, at least in her debate earlier this month. Among others on the other side of this issue are Bill Clinton and John Edwards. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Sarah Palin supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121But she does support equality under the law for civil unions.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Where is Vitamin to stick up for this nonsense? I'd love to hear him try to make even 1 coherent argument against gay marriage. I think even he know's that this is just blatant discrimination. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I think you think I am a social conservative. I am not. I am in favor of allowing man on man/woman on woman marriage. More important I endorse equal rights for civil unions. So does Sarah Palin, at least in her debate earlier this month. Among others on the other side of this issue are Bill Clinton and John Edwards. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Sarah Palin supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121But she does support equality under the law for civil unions. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121And herein lies the main quandary.b,121b,121Ultimately, I think the US Supreme Court will have to vote upon the SEMANTICS of "marriage" vs. "civil union." b,121b,121Except in AZ, where they want to ban civil unions too.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Where is Vitamin to stick up for this nonsense? I'd love to hear him try to make even 1 coherent argument against gay marriage. I think even he know's that this is just blatant discrimination. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21I think you think I am a social conservative. I am not. I am in favor of allowing man on man/woman on woman marriage. More important I endorse equal rights for civil unions. So does Sarah Palin, at least in her debate earlier this month. Among others on the other side of this issue are Bill Clinton and John Edwards. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Sarah Palin supports a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121But she does support equality under the law for civil unions. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121And herein lies the main quandary.b,121b,121Ultimately, I think the US Supreme Court will have to vote upon the SEMANTICS of "marriage" vs. "civil union." b,121b,121Except in AZ, where they want to ban civil unions too. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21I think that's right. Excellent phrase "semantics of marriage." I personally have no problem with calling it marriage. If you wanna sing out, sing out. That is by the way what the true leave us alone conservative position ought to be. But if the social peace is purchased with a name change and gay couples achieve equality, then yeah America.
The question then becomes...if civil unions confer all the rights of marriage...then why not just call it marriage?b,121b, 21This is part of what anti-gay marriage folks are arguing too. They don't want to see ANY kind of legitimization of gay unions. So regardless how things pan out this fall, we're not going to come any closer to resolving this. b,121b,121BTW, in case people need something to be angry about today:b,121object width="425" height="344"1param name="movie" value=""1/param1param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1/param1embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1/embed1/object1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121The question then becomes...if civil unions confer all the rights of marriage...then why not just call it marriage?b,121b, 21This is part of what anti-gay marriage folks are arguing too. They don't want to see ANY kind of legitimization of gay unions. So regardless how things pan out this fall, we're not going to come any closer to resolving this. b,121b,121BTW, in case people need something to be angry about today:b,121object width="425" height="344"1param name="movie" value=""1/param1param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1/param1embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1/embed1/object1 b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121WTF? Why these people gotta bring their kids in on this thing. Children as political props is very chilling. I didn't like that Obama video with the children either. Keep children out of our politics.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121BTW, in case people need something to be angry about today:b,121object width="425" height="344"1param name="movie" value=""1/param1param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1/param1embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1/embed1/object1 b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121one of the worst songs I've ever heard. and yes, I party.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121seperate but equal. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21"Civil unions" are a half-assed conservative "compromise." b,121b,121It's a hot topic at my university campus. Last week I heard the issue of gay marriage described as the civil rights issue of our generation. Plus, I know some gay guys who would through some really sexy weddings, and I definitely do not want to miss those parties.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121seperate but equal. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21"Civil unions" are a half-assed conservative "compromise." b,121b,121It's a hot topic at my university campus. Last week I heard the issue of gay marriage described as the civil rights issue of our generation. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21Ugh - I hate rhetoric like that. b,121b,121And I don't think civil unions are a conservative compromise. Remember, a true social conservative doesn't want the gov't to do anything that smacks of "condoning" homosexuality. Civil unions - with all the attendant rights of marriage - doesn't sit well with them either because it's "marriage in essence" and they don't want a legitimization. b,121b,121It's liberals who cling to civil unions as a sort of (pardon the pun) backdoor way to gay marriage without having to actually say, "I support gay marriage."
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121seperate but equal. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21"Civil unions" are a half-assed conservative "compromise." b,121b,121It's a hot topic at my university campus. Last week I heard the issue of gay marriage described as the civil rights issue of our generation. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21b, 21oh man, i don't even know where to begin with that topic. I will say one of my biggest pet peaves are holier-than-though "liberals" like that who are on some "I DON'T CONFORM" bullshit, who usually are coming from affluent backgrounds. Probably waste their gift of voting on the green party or something unrelated like joining their local communist party or something.b,121b,121self-righteous, smug, and prob has mad re-issuesb,121b, 21b, 21b,121I'm down for gay marriages, especially older gay dudes of color getting married; I could deejay their weddings and go deep with the disco.b, 21b, 21b,121i waaaaannnaaaa thaaaannnk yoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuu heaaaaaaavenlyyyyyy faaaaaaaaaather
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121The first guy asked me that if we let same sex couples exists then what's next marrying your dog? I told him if that dog can actually say the words "I want to marry you" then yes.b,121b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21b,121lmhob,121so gays and lesbians fall somewhere between humans and dogs/animals? b,121hmmmm, sounds familiar... b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21Exactly! Yes on 8- NO on 2!b,121b, 21Keep them in cages.b,121b,121Of course I'm kidding and I probably don't even need to ask but I was kind of curious if there were any Ca. Strutters opposed on 2??b,121b,121Its totally off topic but still an important measure especially when it comes to b,121them dollars.
If 50% of marriages are ending in divorce, why would anyone want to get married?b,121b,121Is it really about the marriage or social advantages like insurance, wills and health care...
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font class="post"1b,121b, 21If gay marriage were legalized, wouldn't that be an example of the interests of the church and state overlapping one another? b,121b,121I'm all for legalizing gay marriage; I'm just not sure a separate of church and state argument works here. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b, 21Government should not be in the business of recognizing "marriage" at all.b,121b,121It should be a purely contract-based civil union regime for both same and different sex couples.b,121b, 21If you want to have a ceremony for the benefit of people who share your faith then have a ball doing so, but the government shouldn't be any more concerned with it than it is with, say, trick-or-treating and other occasions to play dress-up.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121If 50% of marriages are ending in divorce, why would anyone want to get married?b,121b,121Is it really about the marriage or social advantages like insurance, wills and health care... b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b, 21Why is it an either/or? b,121b,121Anyways, just because the divorce rate is high doesn't really correlate with why people would get married or not. How many people get married thinking they're going to get divorced? I'm assuming a rather small number. b,121b,121To quote Dan Savage: "every relation you get into will fail...until the one that doesn't."
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