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It is currently snowing in hell (Obama-r)

luckluck 4,077 Posts
edited October 2008 in Strut Central
Wow. Lunacy?b,121b,121Never before. Not for Roosevelt in 1936 or 1940. Not for Johnson in 1964. Not for Clinton in 1996. 161 years and 40 elections, and the streak is broken. What would Joseph Medill say? This is huge for Chicago.

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  • funky16cornersfunky16corners 7,175 Posts
    Very cool, and when it's all over (and I think there will be more unlikely endorsements coming), McCain can thank his selection of Sarah Palin.
  • discos_almadiscos_alma discos_alma 2,164 Posts
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121 Wow. Lunacy?b,121b,121Never before. Not for Roosevelt in 1936 or 1940. Not for Johnson in 1964. Not for Clinton in 1996. 161 years and 40 elections, and the streak is broken. What would Joseph Medill say? This is huge for Chicago. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121For non-Chicagoans...I'm assuming this is a big deal b/c the Tribune typically endorses Republicans?
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 Wow. Lunacy?b,121b,121Never before. Not for Roosevelt in 1936 or 1940. Not for Johnson in 1964. Not for Clinton in 1996. 161 years and 40 elections, and the streak is broken. What would Joseph Medill say? This is huge for Chicago. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121For non-Chicagoans...I'm assuming this is a big deal b/c the Tribune typically endorses Republicans? b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Joseph Medill, the legendary Tribune managing editor, businessman, and mayor of Chicago, was literally a founder of the country's GOP. I'll put it this way: the only non-GOP members the Tribune has endorsed have been Horace Greeley, Independent, in 1872, and Teddy Roosevelt, Progressive Party, in 1912. Like I noted, the Trib has not endorsed a Democrat over the span of their 161 years. The endorsement itself (linked above), briefly details the history of probably the most conservative major newspaper in the nation's history. It's very well written, and is worth the time it takes to read it.
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    Two more former Bush-2004 papers cross over:b,121b,121 The Denver Post b,121b,121and (another WTF!)b,121b,121 The Salt Lake Tribune b,121b,121b,121When the primary newspaper of one of the most solidly-GOP states this year signs up for Obama, you know that it's over.
  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,899 Posts
    William F. Buckley's son had to leave the National Review (Which his dad help found) once he backed Obama. Has been getting a TON of heat from the right for it ever since.b,121b,121http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-10-14/sorry-dad-i-was-fired
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121Two more former Bush-2004 papers cross over:b,121b,121 The Denver Post b,121b,121and (another WTF!)b,121b,121 The Salt Lake Tribune b,121b,121b,121When the primary newspaper of one of the most solidly-GOP states this year signs up for Obama, you know that it's over. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121For real - I've read so many pieces by conservatives (and non) about the death of the contemporary conservative movement - and in particular, the failings of the GOP, you wonder who exactly hasn't gotten the memo on this and how long it will take the GOP to fix itself. b,121b,121I don't think we're even seeing the nadir of their fracturing, dissolution and in-fighting. It's going to get so much uglier.
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Two more former Bush-2004 papers cross over:b,121b,121 The Denver Post b,121b,121and (another WTF!)b,121b,121 The Salt Lake Tribune b,121b,121b,121When the primary newspaper of one of the most solidly-GOP states this year signs up for Obama, you know that it's over. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121For real - I've read so many pieces by conservatives (and non) about the death of the contemporary conservative movement - and in particular, the failings of the GOP, you wonder who exactly hasn't gotten the memo on this and how long it will take the GOP to fix itself. b,121b,121I don't think we're even seeing the nadir of their fracturing, dissolution and in-fighting. It's going to get so much uglier. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121It's not like they'll go the way of the Whigs or Federalists, much less the Bull-Moose(s). But a serious intra-party sea-change is due. I wouldn't be surprised if the Libertarians made a serious but ultimately futile push to snag GOP defectors.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Oh, I don't see a dissolution or complete self-destruction. But I think there will have to be a massive internal reorganization to reconstitute a liable coalition. b,121b,121Then again, the Dems haven't seemed terribly well-organized; they've made gains at the expense of their opponents because the latter have fucked up so badly that they're the default alternative. b,121b,121Rah rah for the 2 party system.
  • fishmongerfunkfishmongerfunk 4,154 Posts
    if conrad black and david radler weren't in jail and still running that paper there is no chance that endorsement would have happened. b,121b,121word is colin powell may come out for him next...
  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,913 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121if conrad black and david radler weren't in jail and still running that paper there is no chance that endorsement would have happened. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Oh, the Trib was one of Conrad Black's papers? Funny, because I read that piece and thought that the British equivalent would perhaps be the Daily Telegraph (another part of Black's empire, or at least it was) coming out in support of Ken Livingstone as Prime Minister. Not that it's likely he'd ever get into such a position, but if you know much about British politics and the role the media plays in it, you'd see my pointb,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121word is colin powell may come out for him next... b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Damn. Can't wait to see Fox News denounce Powell as a "socialist" or someone who pals around with people who pal around with terrorists.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121Damn. Can't wait to see Fox News denounce Powell as a "socialist" or someone who pals around with people who pal around with terrorists. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121You obviously haven't seen this yet: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/15/colin-powell-fuels-speculation-possible-endorsement/b,121b,121b,121img src=http://elections.foxnews.com/img/101508_powell.jpg1b,121(that photo is PRICELESS)
  • ariel_calmerariel_calmer 3,762 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121img src=http://elections.foxnews.com/img/101508_powell.jpg1b,121(that photo is PRICELESS) b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121I didn't believe that photo was real when I first saw it. b,121b,121It would be funny if tomorrow at 9AM on "meet the press" he just yelled "OBAMA 2008 BIATCHES!", chucked up the duce and left. b,121b,121Needless to say, I'll be watching!
  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,913 Posts
    Even funnier than the photo is the description of the event where it was taken (in London) as "celebrating African-American music and fashion". b,121b,121b,121b,121I know it's Fox and all, but, for the last time, black British people are not "African-American". You'd think, with all the fearless flying-in-the-face-of-political-correctness that they've made their trademark, Fox would be the last ones to show any concern over semantics.b,121b,121It's bizarre - when my girlfriend worked in Nashville about seven years ago, she was asked on two separate occasions and in all seriousness; "do they have black people in England?" She was kind of offended by it, until I pointed out that, with very few exceptions, you generally don't see or hear black people speaking with non-American accents in the US media. I guess that, in the eyes of some, that's the same as not existing at all.
  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    The L.A. Times has also backed Obama, their 1st presidentialb,121endorsement since 1972, and first backing of a Democrat ever.
  • dayday 9,611 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121Damn. Can't wait to see Fox News denounce Powell as a "socialist" or someone who pals around with people who pal around with terrorists. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121You obviously haven't seen this yet: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/15/colin-powell-fuels-speculation-possible-endorsement/b,121b,121b,121img src=http://elections.foxnews.com/img/101508_powell.jpg1b,121(that photo is PRICELESS) b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Um... b,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Hip-Hop-Dancing Colin Powell Fuels Speculation He'll Endorse Obama/b1b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121 I don't usually throw this around but...
  • white_teawhite_tea 3,262 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 Wow. Lunacy?b,121b,121Never before. Not for Roosevelt in 1936 or 1940. Not for Johnson in 1964. Not for Clinton in 1996. 161 years and 40 elections, and the streak is broken. What would Joseph Medill say? This is huge for Chicago. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121For non-Chicagoans...I'm assuming this is a big deal b/c the Tribune typically endorses Republicans? b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121I'd say it's bittersweet for Chicagoans in the sense that the Tribune is a shell of its former self -- Sam Zell has basically gutted the paper and redesigned it for fools and teenagers. They even asked readers to weigh in on who the paper should endorse; nice perspective on why that's a bad idea here. b,121b,121I am glad the Tribune endorsed Obama, no doubt, but I feel that it no longer means anything, party for newspaper endorsements in general and particularly in the case of the Tribune.b,121b,121Also, Conrad and Them owned the Chicago Sun-Times, not the Trib.
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121if conrad black and david radler weren't in jail and still running that paper there is no chance that endorsement would have happened.b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121^ Not from Chicago.
  • fishmongerfunkfishmongerfunk 4,154 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121if conrad black and david radler weren't in jail and still running that paper there is no chance that endorsement would have happened.b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121^ Not from Chicago. b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121my mistake, those bastards ran the chicago sun-times not the tribune...
  • GambleGamble 844 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121Damn. Can't wait to see Fox News denounce Powell as a "socialist" or someone who pals around with people who pal around with terrorists. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121You obviously haven't seen this yet: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/15/colin-powell-fuels-speculation-possible-endorsement//a1b,121b,121b,121img src=http://elections.foxnews.com/img/101508_powell.jpg1b,121(that photo is PRICELESS) b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121Um... b,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Hip-Hop-Dancing Colin Powell Fuels Speculation He'll Endorse Obama[/b]b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121 I don't usually throw this around but... b,121b,121h,121b,121b,121For real. You can imagine the suits at fox having a panic attack:b,121b,121Powell is doing what? Holy Jiminiy Crickets! How can we discredit him before he can endorse Barack "baby mama" Obama? Hey here is some great shots of him "Hip Hop" dancing!
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    Now, it's a href="http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12516666&source=features_box_main" target="_blank"1The Economist./a1 b,121b,121Certainly not as shocking as the Tribune, but...
  • street_muzikstreet_muzik 3,919 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121and (another WTF!)b,121b,121 a href="http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_10750163" target="_blank"1The Salt Lake Tribune/a1 b,121b,121b, 21When the primary newspaper of one of the most solidly-GOP states this year signs up for Obama, you know that it's over. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121That's not surprising. Salt Lake City has had democratic mayors for years, including one of the most liberal, Rocky Anderson, who I had the privilege to work for.b,121b,121Now if the Deseret News endorsed Obama my face would melt.
  • waxjunkywaxjunky 1,850 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121Now, it's a href="http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12516666&source=features_box_main" target="_blank"1The Economist./a1 b,121b,121Certainly not as shocking as the Tribune, but... b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121...pretty damn shocking nonetheless.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Now, it's a href="http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12516666&source=features_box_main" target="_blank"1The Economist./a1 b,121b,121Certainly not as shocking as the Tribune, but... b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121...pretty damn shocking nonetheless. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Not really - they can see the writing on the wall and I think they find Obama to be the more stable candidate for the long-term and his economic policies are far more centrist than they are far left.
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    The Economist has been fairly friendly to Obama over the course of the election. I believe they favored him over Hillary.
  • Deep_SangDeep_Sang 1,081 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121The Economist has been fairly friendly to Obama over the course of the election. I believe they favored him over Hillary. b, 21b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121Yeah I think it's pretty clear that they have favored him over McCain ever since Palin entered the picture- they've been very critical of her. The Economist has generally held that Obama's plans for the recession are better, although obviously they have been critical of his protectionist rhetoric (that has been toned down markedly since the primaries). They side with Obama on pretty much every issue that isn't economics related, but have consistently held that both candidates would be alright.
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