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Dorando 45 pressing Question

magpiemagpie 160 Posts
edited September 2008 in Strut Central
I have noticed 2 different versions of the red and white label 45b,121b,121b,121note the top 2 pics in the linkb,121b,121a href="http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=dorando" target="_blank"1http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php?searchtext=dorando/a1b,121b,121one stating MUSIC CITY and the other stating MUSIC CITY RECORDS...also the publishing info is different...could someone shed some light on this for me...thanks b,121b,121b,121img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wtf.gif" alt="" /1
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  • discos_almadiscos_alma discos_alma 2,164 Posts
    Good question. I hadn't seen the "Music City" pressing until that recent batch appeared.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Word - I agree, that's weird. You thinking bootleg? b,121b,121Paging Jinx! (If he's not too busy with baby).
  • DCarfagnaDCarfagna 983 Posts
    b,121There's simply two pressings of the record, both from the around the same time.b,121I believe the white one is the first.
  • discos_almadiscos_alma discos_alma 2,164 Posts
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    b,121Word - I agree, that's weird. You thinking bootleg?
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    b,121Paging Jinx! (If he's not too busy with baby).
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121I'm not gonna go that far, but it definitely makes sense.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    b,121There's simply two pressings of the record, both from the around the same time.
    b,121I believe the white one is the first.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Dante - I think the question (if I understand it correctly) isn't over the colors of the label, but rather, what's up with the "Didn't I" 45s pressed on labels that read "Music City" sans "Records."
  • magpiemagpie 160 Posts
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    b,121There's simply two pressings of the record, both from the around the same time.
    b,121I believe the white one is the first.
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    b,121Dante - I think the question (if I understand it correctly) isn't over the colors of the label, but rather, what's up with the "Didn't I" 45s pressed on labels that read "Music City" sans "Records."
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121yeah there's TWO white label pressings...and the one without "Records" has "apparently" just appeared recently (i.e. 2008)...
  • OkemOkem 4,617 Posts
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    b,121There's simply two pressings of the record, both from the around the same time.
    b,121I believe the white one is the first.
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    b,121Dante - I think the question (if I understand it correctly) isn't over the colors of the label, but rather, what's up with the "Didn't I" 45s pressed on labels that read "Music City" sans "Records."
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Exhibit Ab,121b,121img src="http://www.popsike.com/pix/20080604/190227198891.jpg"1 b,121b,121b,121Exhibit Bb,121b,121img src="http://www.popsike.com/pix/20060404/4860828290.jpg"1 b,121b,121b,121b,121If that is a bootleg someone's going to be mighty pissed off. $253 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/oof.gif" alt="" /1
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    What I don't get though - if you're going to bootleg it, why not bootleg it? Changing the label makes little sense. So maybe it is legit...
  • coolchriscoolchris 301 Posts
    The New Batch that has surfaced are straight from an Auction of Ray Dobards estate.Ray Dobard owned Music City and these are Legit.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    b,121The New Batch that has surfaced are straight from an Auction of Ray Dobards estate.Ray Dobard owned Music City and these are Legit.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/know.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121'Sup Chris!
  • DeviousKidsDeviousKids 11 Posts
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    b,121The New Batch that has surfaced are straight from an Auction of Ray Dobards estate.Ray Dobard owned Music City and these are Legit.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121If this is true.. Why didn't he use his own LOGO on the label?b,121b,121Not only is the word 'records' missing its in a different font..b,121b,121The logo on the original copy's, both white and green label, is the Metro fontb,121and the 20th Century font for the song title + add. infob,121b,121On the newly surfaced 45's all info is in the same font..b,121(with horrible spacing in the song title..)b,121b,121Also I noticed the number on the new one is missing the 'MC' 45-894..b,121b,121And maybe a long shot, but the label is very very white for an almost 40 year old 45rpm, like to know how he keeps his records...b,121b,121It just looks like it was printed yesterday, and in my opinion it most likely is..
  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    b,121The New Batch that has surfaced are straight from an Auction of Ray Dobards estate.Ray Dobard owned Music City and these are Legit.
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    s1If this is true.. Why didn't he use his own LOGO on the label?
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    b,121Not only is the word 'records' missing its in a different font..
    b,121
    b,121The logo on the original copy's, both white and green label, is the Metro font
    b,121and the 20th Century font for the song title + add. info
    b,121
    b,121On the newly surfaced 45's all info is in the same font..
    b,121(with horrible spacing in the song title..)
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    b,121Also I noticed the number on the new one is missing the 'MC' 45-894..
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    b,121And maybe a long shot, but the label is very very white for an almost 40 year old 45rpm, like to know how he keeps his records...
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    b,121It just looks like it was printed yesterday, and in my opinion it most likely is..
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    font class="post"1/s1b,121b,121Dude, you are wrong. Deal.
  • maocontentmaocontent 559 Posts
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    b,121The New Batch that has surfaced are straight from an Auction of Ray Dobards estate.Ray Dobard owned Music City and these are Legit.
    b,121
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    font class="post"1
    b,121
    b,121If this is true.. Why didn't he use his own LOGO on the label?
    b,121
    b,121Not only is the word 'records' missing its in a different font..
    b,121
    b,121The logo on the original copy's, both white and green label, is the Metro font
    b,121and the 20th Century font for the song title + add. info
    b,121
    b,121On the newly surfaced 45's all info is in the same font..
    b,121(with horrible spacing in the song title..)
    b,121
    b,121Also I noticed the number on the new one is missing the 'MC' 45-894..
    b,121
    b,121And maybe a long shot, but the label is very very white for an almost 40 year old 45rpm, like to know how he keeps his records...
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    b,121It just looks like it was printed yesterday, and in my opinion it most likely is..
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121The newly surfaced copies are styrene like other originals. They'd be pressed on vinyl if they were brand new.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    b,121The newly surfaced copies are styrene like other originals. They'd be pressed on vinyl if they were brand new.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121This is the new new bootlegging - authentic as f---! img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/breakface.gif" alt="" /1
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    They are originals.
  • DeviousKidsDeviousKids 11 Posts
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    b,121The New Batch that has surfaced are straight from an Auction of Ray Dobards estate.Ray Dobard owned Music City and these are Legit.
    b,121
    b,121
    h,121
    font class="post"1
    b,121
    b,121If this is true.. Why didn't he use his own LOGO on the label?
    b,121
    b,121Not only is the word 'records' missing its in a different font..
    b,121
    b,121The logo on the original copy's, both white and green label, is the Metro font
    b,121and the 20th Century font for the song title + add. info
    b,121
    b,121On the newly surfaced 45's all info is in the same font..
    b,121(with horrible spacing in the song title..)
    b,121
    b,121Also I noticed the number on the new one is missing the 'MC' 45-894..
    b,121
    b,121And maybe a long shot, but the label is very very white for an almost 40 year old 45rpm, like to know how he keeps his records...
    b,121
    b,121It just looks like it was printed yesterday, and in my opinion it most likely is..
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    b,121The newly surfaced copies are styrene like other originals. They'd be pressed on vinyl if they were brand new.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121OK this does change my opinion slightly, still think the label is strange though.. Looking for an upgrade of my own copy but it will not be one those..b,121b,121Cheers
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    there is NM stock out (I have one or two left) from the distributor in Oakland that pressed the record. As Veltri detailed above.b,121b,121I mean, you can think what you like, but you're wrong. These are 100% legit and anyone with any knowledge of the Bay Area soul scene can verify it.
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Also this record was printed several times because it was a successful regional record... hence different label designs. Regular shit.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    b,121OK this does change my opinion slightly, still think the label is strange though.. Looking for an upgrade of my own copy but it will not be one those..
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    b,121Cheers
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Look dude, it's your money and what not but your stubborn-ness here is silly. You have Dante, Cool Chris, Johnny P and Chairman Mao all saying, "IT'S THE REAL MCCOY" and you're still saying, "yeah, well, uh, I still don't trust it." b,121b,121Do we need to get Darondo on the phone?
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Because, you know, we can do that.
  • JahBooGieJahBooGie 92 Posts
    what about the green label?
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Also legit.b,121b,121Not sure which came first, they were all contemporary of one another.
  • JahBooGieJahBooGie 92 Posts
    img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/know.gif" alt="" /1b,121thanks mang! img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerbang.gif" alt="" /1
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    b,121Because, you know, we can do that.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Be real dude. You know Dynamite D is too deep into his mack game to be verifying pressings and shit. b,121b,121object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://o-dub.com/sounds/soulsides/player.swf" id="audioplayer1" height="24" width="290"1b,121param name="movie" value="http://o-dub.com/sounds/soulsides/player.swf"1b,121param name="FlashVars" value="playerID=1&soundFile=http://o-dub.com/sounds/soulsides/cherrysauce.mp3"1b,121param name="quality" value="high"1b,121param name="menu" value="false"1b,121param name="wmode" value="transparent"1b,121/object1b,121b,121(If you listen closely though, at one point, he does say, "get ready to cop those original stock copies of 'Didn't I' on the "Music City", sans "Records" label!")
  • jinx74jinx74 2,287 Posts
    actually there are three presses of the white label with red writing. b,121b,121img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a352/justin74/Dorando45s.jpg"1b,121b,121im guess the green ones either were first or something ray tried to re-sell the record cause it wasnt doing well at first. i think the green was an early run to see what it would do, the first white one without dobards name circulated around the bay, la, and other stations around the country that dobard hit off (hed been in the game 20+years before Darondo came out). after receiving some play and getting some notice he stamped his name on them and sent them out on the larger lettered Music City 45s. b,121b,121now i guess he reused some of the same stock labels he had for the two things in one 45 (which he did often for his black labeled ones and i was told this by rico and dennis leonis) for a later run of Didnt I cause maybe there was still demand or dobard just wanted to.b,121b,121anyway... im not sure and theres no one i can think of who would know for sure at this point. just a guess.
  • jinx74jinx74 2,287 Posts
    or maybe the green ones came later cause he still had the green gospel music city labels... i really dont know. if someone knows more id like to know as well.
  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
    Let me ask a question I've often been curious about. When a record does well locally or regionally, there was sometimes a push for it to go national, either by having a bigger label pick it up or simply pressing up more.b,121b,121I've read stories about how some record distributors would simply press up their own copies so that they could profit from the "success" of a song, and that was that. Sometimes it would look the same, other times it would have a different label variations. This is something I guess doo-wop collectors deal with on a regular basis, wanting an original vs. a repress vs. a counterfeit copy, or seeing a 45 of song when only a legitimate 78 had existed before.b,121b,121As more people get into collecting soul and funk, not only as a hobby but as something they can profit from, does that issue become more important?
  • DCarfagnaDCarfagna 983 Posts
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121You always want the issue closest to the source. Often times a semi-hit record will be pressed simultaneously in two different cities (say at Sheldon in Chicago and Monarch in Los Angeles) and have completely different materials, printing and fonts. This was done in an effort to expedite the record hitting the streets, to save on cross-country shipping costs, and ultimately sell more copies. Depending on the plant, a record will always be styrene (eg. Monarch) or nearly always vinyl (eg. Sheldon). The Darondo record in question looks like it was manufactured by two different plants during its lifetime, both on the West Coast for obvious reasons.
  • willie_fugalwillie_fugal 1,862 Posts
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    b,121You always want the issue closest to the source. Often times a semi-hit record will be pressed simultaneously in two different cities (say at Sheldon in Chicago and Monarch in Los Angeles) and have completely different materials, printing and fonts. This was done in an effort to expedite the record hitting the streets, to save on cross-country shipping costs, and ultimately sell more copies. Depending on the plant, a record will always be styrene (eg. Monarch) or nearly always vinyl (eg. Sheldon). The Darondo record in question looks like it was manufactured by two different plants during its lifetime, both on the West Coast for obvious reasons.
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  • KineticKinetic 3,739 Posts
    Dear God... why didn't anyone tell me how facemeltingly amazing this single was?

    I heard it the other day and it... well... it melted my face away!
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