2 AM LOCKOUTS - The death of your city?

phatmoneysackphatmoneysack Melbourne 1,124 Posts
edited May 2008 in Strut Central
Melbourne venues set for 2am lockout[/b]Premier John Brumby is expected to announce today drinkers will be banned from entering Melbourne city bars, pubs and clubs after 2am.The announcement will be the latest in a series of moves to combat binge drinking and alcohol-fuelled violence in inner-Melbourne.The state government will order more than 500 late-night licence holders to impose the curfew in a three-month trial to stop pub crawls that lead to violence, News Ltd reported today.Publicans who fail to enforce the policy in four inner-city councils will be hit with fines of up to $6,800.News Ltd reports said smokers who left drinking establishments after 2am to light up on the streets would be banned from returning.A government taskforce is believed to be responding to calls from police to clamp down on gangs of young drunks moving from pub to pub and causing problems.The main targets are the city nightclub precincts but will cover four local government areas of Melbourne, Yarra, Stonnington and Port Phillip councils.Australian Hotels Association Victoria chief executive officer Brian Kearney said it tentatively supported a 2am lockout, with the proviso that "low-risk'' venues be excluded."The success or otherwise of these lock-outs is very much dependent on the terms and conditions that apply to them and we would be hoping that the director of Liquor Licensing has some flexibility in the way she intends to apply them,'' Mr Kearney said.He said the association would be looking to negotiate "reasonable terms and conditions'' regarding the lock-out, and also the types of venues it would apply to."Certainly from the pub point of view, because overwhelmingly these issues of late night violence, anti-social behaviour, are related to late night clubs and nightclubs,'' he said."Pubs are concerned to the extent that they might be unreasonably targeted in some situations and that's why we'd be looking for low-risk venues to be excluded from the lockout." http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/2am-cbd-lockout-plan/2008/05/02/1209235099396.htmlMelbourne is a city with a vibrant and active nightlight. An epic variety of Bars, clubs and pubs are hidden and scattered among the city's laneways, colonial and modern buildings. It is host to a number of active and growing musical scenes, most famously its live rock scene. It has clubs and quality DJs to cater for all sorts from northern soul to B-More to psy-trance (cringe) and is attracting increasing numbers of well known and underground international DJs.I am very worried about this for two reasons. 1. Nightlife will be suffocated. [/b]There will be less exposure to other scenes and styles of music. People will have to choose one venue for the night and stick with it. Some of the cities best venues, many of which who host acts who start after 2am will lose patronage and may not be able to host as many internationals. Also you can???t start your night late if you???ve got something else on like a house party. Its just rubbish. 2. Fights[/b]I don???t understand the logic behind pushing more people onto the streets and aggravating them by not letting them inside venues. I am more worried about my safety now than I was before. Now all the shit-kickers who would normally be at the strippers will be on the streets trying to fight/harass me or my friends or queuing up to get in the ???low risk??? venues, which most likely include Melbourne???s laneway bars ??? which for the most part are knucklehead free environments. Has this or something like this happened in your city before? What were the results? Are there more/worse/different consequences than I am anticipating or am I overreacting?
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  • grandpa_shiggrandpa_shig 5,799 Posts
    ha! welcome to california

  • spelunkspelunk 3,400 Posts
    Dude around here (CA) all the bars close at 2 AM. We're used to this.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    Dude around here (MA) most of the bars close at 2 AM, many others at 1 AM.
    We're used to this.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    NYC is next

  • DongerDonger 854 Posts
    NYC is next

    hell to the no

  • kitchenknightkitchenknight 4,922 Posts
    NYC is next

    hell to the no

    never gonna happen; too much $$$$$ between 2 and 5.

  • spelunkspelunk 3,400 Posts
    Didnt they do this in London trying to combat alcoholism and everyone ended up going crazy in the streets?

  • phatmoneysackphatmoneysack Melbourne 1,124 Posts
    NYC is next

    hell to the no

    never gonna happen; too much $$$$$ between 2 and 5.

    Correct - thats why the lockout won't be aplyed to "low risk" venues like the massive casino that we have.

  • CosmoCosmo 9,767 Posts
    NYC is next

    hell to the no

    never gonna happen; too much $$$$$ between 2 and 5.

    Yeah I don't see it happening. It's not like smoking indoors.

  • grandpa_shiggrandpa_shig 5,799 Posts
    you know i noticed that in LA, where the bars close at 2am. yeah, well nobody makes a move toward a bar til about 10pm or even 11. especially girls. i miss my bay folkers that would tie one on with the grandpa right at 5. come in wearing their work clothes and shit. here its like girls, no. here its like everyone got a outfit for every occaision and u gotta wait around for them to gear up. fuuuuk that.

  • bobbydeebobbydee 849 Posts
    It hasn't done SHIT to make Brisbane "safer", but they keep calling it a success. It was knee jerk here to Moses Katia (an islander dude I was unfortunate enough to go to school with) beating a guy to death and then stealing his diesel shoes.... which were fakes.

    If I can't walk out of revolver at like 9am Melbourne has lost something to me.

  • You can walk out at 9am but it just means you have to have spent 7 hours in the joint.. if i understand correctly

  • phatmoneysackphatmoneysack Melbourne 1,124 Posts
    Yeah and with revolver its more about being able to walk in at 9am

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    NYC is next

    hell to the no

    never gonna happen; too much $$$$$ between 2 and 5.

    Yeah I don't see it happening. It's not like smoking indoors.

    Just WatcH.....

    All That new Condo money in NYC is made up of uptight Out of town muthafuckas who dont want drunk muthafuckas makin mad noise in thier trendy hood.

    Ive heard that the cops are comin down Hard in Willaimsburg on some lite crime shit like catchin cats for Jaywalkin and shit. Str8 Bullshit. Just Watch.

    Mo' Money....Mo' Problems.....

    Mutahfuckas can sanitize 40-Duece what makes u think the rest of Man-Hatt isnt on the horizon.

    All those new Condos being built in Williamsberg on the water are gonna be full of Sabadaba's who want to walk thier dogs and jog w/out drunk Beckys around.

    125th street just got re-zoned so 19 floor buildings can be erected....HELL UP IN HAARLEM!!!!

  • SelinaKyle83SelinaKyle83 1,042 Posts
    what's going to happen to all those people tryna get into revolver or traffic at 5am??ahahahahhaaa!!
    Na, in all seriousness, it's gonna suck!!

  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
    What you all are talking about is an entirely different reality for me - I 've always lived w/2am drinking laws... you can't even get SERVED after 2, you're ushered out the door not long after that...

    Judging by how stooopid folks around here are at that point Im pretty sure we couldn't handle anythhing later around here....

  • kwalitykwality 620 Posts
    That's some Frickin' bullshit right there - you're right money, pushing idiots out onto the street is only gonna make it worse. And the fact that the casino gets a pass only makes it worse - that place is pretty much the epicentre for belligerent behaviour!

    I really hate this fearmongering. I don't think melbourne has gotten any worse, we're just hearing about it now. Fear is the new opiate, and both sides of the political coin seem to love pushing it. Shit, I was searched by the federal police last weekend outside a club on ANZAC eve - what the hell is happening to our country?

  • KineticKinetic 3,738 Posts
    This is an interesting subject. In my job, I've been involved in heated discussions at the planning level about this new change, that seems to eb gaining popularity at all levels of Government here in Oz.

    I have to say, I can see arguments for and against, but I don't think we'll really know how successful it will be until it is trialled. At the end of the day, the police will look at the crime stats, and if they are even minutely reduced during the trial, you can bet your ass they will extend the lock-out.

  • kwalitykwality 620 Posts
    I maintain that it's total crap - get some cops, get some education and get some responsible serving of alcohol standards.

    I think a much better place to start would be to ban all football/rugby teams from ever going out and drinking. Anyone ever noticed that they're always seeming to be in trouble? I think they're officially worse than terrorists.

  • KineticKinetic 3,738 Posts
    We already have cops, we already have education, and we already have responsible service of alcohol standards - however, as I understand it, they are actually under review right now, since they have been found to be pretty uneffective.

    While I am in total agreement with you on this point, the banning of footy/rugby teams going out drinking would be like banning under 12s soccer teasm from going out to McDonalds on saturday afternoons: impossible.

  • Big_ChanBig_Chan 5,088 Posts
    Washington State, USA. NO liquor sales from 2AM-6AM. Things have been this way for as long as I can remember. And that is a long time cause I'm an old dude! LOL.

  • SelinaKyle83SelinaKyle83 1,042 Posts
    I think a much better place to start would be to ban all football/rugby teams from ever going out and drinking. Anyone ever noticed that they're always seeming to be in trouble? I think they're officially worse than terrorists.


    hahahahahahahhaa...completely agree!! The majority are real wank-stains (pardon me) who think they can do anything and anyone at anytime!!

  • kwalitykwality 620 Posts
    We already have cops, we already have education, and we already have responsible service of alcohol standards - however, as I understand it, they are actually under review right now, since they have been found to be pretty uneffective.

    While I am in total agreement with you on this point, the banning of footy/rugby teams going out drinking would be like banning under 12s soccer teasm from going out to McDonalds on saturday afternoons: impossible.

    I know what you mean, it's just a hard thing to get my head around. They've done the same thing in my old town (which is PACKED with pubs/clubs. More pubs per capita than anywhere else is Oz I think...) and it's a joke. They also moved the major police station AWAY from the cbd at the same time, so it's hard to take seriously. Plus, doesn't it just promote houseparties? And we all know there ain't no drunk like a houseparty drunk. So instead of having potentially anti social behaviour in places where there is security, cameras, lights etc, it will now be pushed to all corners of the city. That'll be easy to control I'm sure.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    And we all know there ain't no drunk like a houseparty drunk.


  • DB_CooperDB_Cooper Manhatin' 7,823 Posts
    Dude around here (MA) most of the bars close at 2 AM, many others at 1 AM. And the last subway train rolls at 12:45, so it's cab or walk time.
    We're used to this.

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    Not sure how it is now but back in the day in NYC the bars closed at 4:00AM and the After Hours joints would open at 5:00AM.


  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Not sure how it is now but back in the day in NYC the bars closed at 4:00AM and the After Hours joints would open at 5:00AM.


    It still is like that. But i havent been to an official after hours spot in a long time. Im outta the loop though.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    I need a good afterhours Disco Rich story.


  • Garcia_VegaGarcia_Vega 2,428 Posts
    Just WatcH.....

    All That new Condo money in NYC is made up of uptight Out of town muthafuckas who dont want drunk muthafuckas makin mad noise in thier trendy hood.

    Ive heard that the cops are comin down Hard in Willaimsburg on some lite crime shit like catchin cats for Jaywalkin and shit. Str8 Bullshit. Just Watch.

    Mo' Money....Mo' Problems.....

    Mutahfuckas can sanitize 40-Duece what makes u think the rest of Man-Hatt isnt on the horizon.

    All those new Condos being built in Williamsberg on the water are gonna be full of Sabadaba's who want to walk thier dogs and jog w/out drunk Beckys around.

    125th street just got re-zoned so 19 floor buildings can be erected....HELL UP IN HAARLEM!!!!

    From the article, "State law stipulates that the closing time for bars and eateries in the Big Apple is 4 a.m. and the liquor authority doesn't have the power to put a 2 a.m. closing time into effect."

    What's going on is the community boards are not granting liquor licenses to new establishments in certain parts of the city unless they have early closing times. Those places that already have a liquor license until 4 can't have them revoked. And an old establishment can sell their license to another. Fear not Batman, we will be getting fucked until the early morning. But opening up new bars that stay open late in the East Village, LES and Williamsburg will get really hard.

    In PR the closing time is 5am or whenever you feel like it.

  • deejdeej 5,125 Posts
    chicago's kinda like that, most bars/clubs are 2AM close (3AM on saturday nights) altho some older places have licenses that are 4AM (5AM on saturdays). Smartbar is one of those. its hard/impossible to get one of those licenses now tho
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