CLAPTON IS GOD

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  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
    I like the work he did in the 60's, especially Blind Faith, liked the first solo album, the stuff he did with Delaney & Bonnie, the Derek & The Dominoes thing, but after that he changed his approach. People worship 461 Ocean Boulevard[/b], and the album is good but to me not mindblowing.

    His "God" status comes from what he did before Cream, and having Cream just boosted his profile among those so-called "blues revivalists". If anything, his guitar work and interviews referring to his influences did help in bringing deserved attention to the original blues guitarists that gave him and every other person their inspiration. There's a good reason Clapton was blown away by Duane Allman, and that's because Allman was a hell of a lot better. To me. Of course, I'm getting into a middle school-styled argument and I don't want to do that.

    Clapton is good and great, but he went on cruise control. There's a recent DVD where he was a part of a blues festival, does he take himself back on that one?

    As someone said, there's a way of playing that makes him worth listening to, and that "tone", whatever it may be, is his style, it's still there.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts

    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

    Oh, definitely. I will fully co-sign that the Beatles
    were highly influenced and tried to copy great R&B artists
    like Little Richard, Arthur Alexander, etc, as well as girl
    groups like the Shirelles, the Ronettes, etc. They were also
    just as influenced by rockabilly/rock n roll artists like
    Buddy Holly and the Everly Brothers.

    But the "Blues" is something else altogether, IMO. Like how
    "Spidey" talked about Hendrix coming over ... but the famous
    UK beat bands were not influenced by Hendrix until years later,
    and the sound that came from him influence was often far from
    the Blues. The UK bands like the Stones, Animals & Yardbirds got
    the Blues bug from the original artists touring the UK throughout
    the late 50's/early 60's ... John Lee Hooker, Sonny Boy Williamson
    and Jimmy Reed were the biggest influences on these acts, due to both
    the popularity of their early 60's recordings, and their presence in
    Great Britain as touring artists.

    No doubt.

    Hendrix came to the UK and reminded them of how its really done.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts

    Hendrix came to the UK and reminded them of how its really done.

    I would argue that Hendrix came to the UK and showed them where it could go next.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts

    Hendrix came to the UK and reminded them of how its really done.

    I would argue that Hendrix came to the UK and showed them where it could go next.

    American Blues = UK Blues? (in 67?)

  • SPlDEYSPlDEY Vegas 3,375 Posts

    Hendrix came to the UK and reminded them of how its really done.

    I would argue that Hendrix came to the UK and showed them where it could go next.

    Sounds to me like the same argument.

    Also if you have a problem calling me Spidey say, Di*go.

    - spidey

  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
    I People worship 461 Ocean Boulevard[/b], and the album is good but to me not mindblowing.


    I saw him on that tour....George Terry stood off to the side and played all of Clapton's supposed leads.

    Please don't make me list the 99 players better than EC.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts

    Hendrix came to the UK and reminded them of how its really done.

    I would argue that Hendrix came to the UK and showed them where it could go next.

    Sounds to me like the same argument.


    nah. I think he sayin theyvr alraedy bulit their own sound but Hendrix was new direction.

    im sayin he helped them reconnect w/ the OG feel, even though he wasnt a retro dude.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts

    Hendrix came to the UK and reminded them of how its really done.

    I would argue that Hendrix came to the UK and showed them where it could go next.

    Sounds to me like the same argument.

    No, my point is that the UK bands were stuck in a rut
    of trying to copy the "old masters" and play licks and
    solos just like their idols - the arrival of Hendrix on
    the scene showed that the Blues could be taken to new places,
    more modern and progressive sounds.

    Hendrix could play traditional Blues as well as anyone:



    ... but he was more interested in taking the Blues places it had never been.


  • OK, can I go another tirade now?
    Fender making a line of guitars means nothing - except that
    the Clapton name is marketable.

    Fair enough. I'd say it's part marketability and part "I want that tone." The same phenomena exists with SRV.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    "I want that tone."

    Shouldn't it just be the B.B. King model in that case?

  • Yes.

    Sorry that I got aggy.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts

  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    even go a few years earlier - the monks seemed a thousand times more alive/passionate


    Eddie Shaw IS GOD. DEAL.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts

    Eddie Shaw IS GOD. DEAL.

    Awesome - this thread was started because of the Black Lips
    thread, and in that thread I was going to defend the clip of
    them on Conan by saying that it sounds like the Monks, and this
    thread wraps up with an EDDIE SHAW IS GOD.


  • luckluck 4,077 Posts

    Eddie Shaw IS GOD. DEAL.

    Awesome - this thread was started because of the Black Lips
    thread, and in that thread I was going to defend the clip of
    them on Conan by saying that it sounds like the Monks, and this
    thread wraps up with an EDDIE SHAW IS GOD.


    The Monks are one of the reasons I know god Rock exists.

  • skelskel You can't cheat karma 5,033 Posts
    actually i'm mostly talking about the cream years. the other shit i could(n't) ( skel!) care less about.

    Thanks Ham, made my weekend

    btw, Clapton is better at guitar by a factor of 1000 than me, and know that however long I practised I could not approach the same level.
    Therefore he, along with myriad others, is a guitar god for me.
    That he is important in the development and spread of rock and blues guitar is undeniable.
    Only the scale of that importance is debatable.
    Creativity? Patchy, no doubt. But 'Layla'....unfukwithable.
    And his old guitars sell for incredible amounts at auction; there's clearly people out there who put him right up there. But very few on this board, obviously.

  • SoulOnIceSoulOnIce 13,027 Posts
    'Layla'....unfukwithable.

    You're right - DUANE ALLMAN IS GOD

  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
    And his old guitars sell for incredible amounts at auction; there's clearly people out there who put him right up there. But very few on this board, obviously.

    There are people who have paid five figures for Beatles LPs. Millions of people have bought the Eagles' Greatest Hits. Hell, I'm sure Yngwie Malmsteen's sweat-laden unitard would sell for well over $1G. But those people are not the arbiters of anything other than their own taste.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Back around 1969, I was 12, we would argure who was the worlds greatest guitarist, Clapton or Hendrix. I think this was a big question among rock fans, but maybe it was just because we were 12 and didn't know any better.

    As I stated before, and Rockadelic confirmed, much of what people think of as Clapton leads are played by other people.

    All the high notes in Layla are Duanne Allman, Clapton plays the repeated low riff. Deal.
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