i went through a phase of buying shit charity shop things to console myself but have come to the realization that for me i would rather spend my time with my girl or studying or working and saving my money for records that i actually wanted and to go on trips to places that have records.
Really though...
If i had half the money back that i spent on shitty flea market/charity shop vinyl, id be a rich man.
OK I just hit 3 charity shops up in my lunch break to see what I could find... the first one was dire had about 20ish records and the only one with any "sampleable" quality was the grease soundtrack (there IS a break on there)
second one fared better, I found a DJ Shadow sample, a cover of Superstition (on Contour records - pay attention MPChooligan) and another break thats commonly covered by UK acts from the 70's - 80's.... Also had 2 diff versions of Hair, one of them might even have been a good 'un!
Last one had an Azymuth 12"- Jazz Carnival(?) which I was willing to take a chance on for ??2 but on closer inspection they wanted book price for it which was ??12 which I thought fuck that. I feel very strongly that charity shops shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them on joints, unless its super raer Hendrix red vinyl heat that was owned by Hendrix himself.....which is no brainer to get loads of cash for. Also had another 45 which I took a chance on (I bet its crap)
I took photos on my phone but I don't have admin rights to get them off onto my work PC to upload....
there's a great local shop from me, they even mark the records as RARE.(sic) a little too expensive but it's always pretty dead so i don't mind paying the premium to keep a nice dude in business.
i went through a phase of buying shit charity shop things to console myself but have come to the realization that i would rather spend my time with my girl or studying[/b] or working and save my money for records that i actually wanted and to go on trips to places that have records.
It's true that compared to US, I don't know about Canada, there's a record gulf. But, back in the 60s/70s most British people didn't have the disposable income that the 'average' American enjoyed. So, fewer records, fewer labels, shops etc. But that doesn't = "record game in the uk is super weak" It's just not easy.
Am i the only one who read the name as: MP Chooligan?
ahhh well, time for coffee
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,916 Posts
One of the more bewildering trends in charity shops in recent years is the way they've begun to price vinyl. It's by no means uncommon to see less-than-mint copies of records like "Thriller" or "No Jacket Required" going for seven or eight quid. Never mind that these records have sold something like 70 million copies between them, there's still this assumption that because it's on vinyl it's automatically rare.
"They don't make these anymore, y'know"
"No, I think I'd have stopped at 40 million as well"
As for the boutique outlets dedicated to "collectables" where everything is priced according to the Record Collector guides, there are still a few things that sneak through while they're trying to get ??8 for old Inspiral Carpets 12" singles.
One of the more bewildering trends in charity shops in recent years is the way they've begun to price vinyl. It's by no means uncommon to see less-than-mint copies of records like "Thriller" or "No Jacket Required" going for seven or eight quid. Never mind that these records have sold something like 70 million copies between them, there's still this assumption that because it's on vinyl it's automatically rare.
"They don't make these anymore, y'know"
"No, I think I'd have stopped at 40 million as well"
As for the boutique outlets dedicated to "collectables" where everything is priced according to the Record Collector guides, there are still a few things that sneak through while they're trying to get ??8 for old Inspiral Carpets 12" singles.
yeah they broke out the RC book for the Azymuth!!!
One of the more bewildering trends in charity shops in recent years is the way they've begun to price vinyl. It's by no means uncommon to see less-than-mint copies of records like "Thriller" or "No Jacket Required" going for seven or eight quid. Never mind that these records have sold something like 70 million copies between them, there's still this assumption that because it's on vinyl it's automatically rare.
"They don't make these anymore, y'know"
"No, I think I'd have stopped at 40 million as well"
As for the boutique outlets dedicated to "collectables" where everything is priced according to the Record Collector guides, there are still a few things that sneak through while they're trying to get ??8 for old Inspiral Carpets 12" singles.
Ha ha. It was stuff like this that basically killed my charity shop digging a few years ago. I could only handle a certain amount of battered beatles records in special plastic sleeves with ??20 price tags on the front.
I've searched the whole of Yorkshire and it's shit.
I do alright around Yorkshire You need to try harder and dig deeper Or get there before me
word.
the UK is not the best place in the world especially the north of it. the south is generally better. try Manchester mate there a few decent record shops there and its not that far from doncaster.
They've even got a "potential future samples/breaks" section in the 45's which is definitely worth nosing through.
fuck me I'm there!!!
To stay on topic, whenever I'm in Manchester I try and make a bit of time to drop in here.
they have a sister site which some of you maybe familiar with and in fact the beatin rhythm website and sister site share the same design and stock lists.... Its on some warehouse steeze but they have 45's for months and they used to open up to the public by appointment only but I think its no appointment necessary now...
But on the issue of Uk records. There are thousands of good records out there, jazz, funk, rock, psych, reggae etc. To suggesting anything to the contrary is just nonsense.
The funny this is mOKE. - no one said that, go re-read the posts. All I personally said was that *most of (about 90%)* of the "dollar bin classic turds" are exactly that, big lumpy turds. I posted a list of good turds and other good records, there's lots more left off the list. Maybe you should post up a list of what are some good chartity shop finds you see out and about often then?...
And like someone else said on this thread, shit records are no substitute for good records. A shit record is a shit record, to fool yourself into believing otherwise is nonsense. Peoples tastes differ, lets leave it at that.
One of the more bewildering trends in charity shops in recent years is the way they've begun to price vinyl. It's by no means uncommon to see less-than-mint copies of records like "Thriller" or "No Jacket Required" going for seven or eight quid. Never mind that these records have sold something like 70 million copies between them, there's still this assumption that because it's on vinyl it's automatically rare.
"They don't make these anymore, y'know"
"No, I think I'd have stopped at 40 million as well"
As for the boutique outlets dedicated to "collectables" where everything is priced according to the Record Collector guides, there are still a few things that sneak through while they're trying to get ??8 for old Inspiral Carpets 12" singles.
Daaamn that pisses me off! Oxfam and Cancer Research are the worst offenders at that i've found! I've seen somewhere selling the Sound Of Music for ??5 :S
The cheapest i've found is a few Jimi Hendrix records in Hemsworth, Pontefract for 20p each.
Although i was endorsing it earlier, i'll admit that i no longer go to charity shops (except for special ones like the charity warehouse ) because it's just too frustrating to spend the whole day trawling through shit records to come home with nothing, or to find a good one and see it overpriced. They just won't budge on their prices, even when i showed them that some kid had drawn in crayon all over the vinyl they still wouldn't lower it...
However the record fairs can turn up some good stuff, they normally come monthly and do a circuit round the UK so you see the same guys everywhere but it's good when a new random person arrives because it's your best chance of finding heat. Found that Roundtable album for a couple of quid and a bunch of other stuff by doing that...
But on the issue of Uk records. There are thousands of good records out there, jazz, funk, rock, psych, reggae etc. To suggesting anything to the contrary is just nonsense.
The funny this is mOKE. - no one said that, go re-read the posts. All I personally said was that *most of (about 90%)* of the "dollar bin classic turds" are exactly that, big lumpy turds. I posted a list of good turds and other good records, there's lots more left off the list. Maybe you should post up a list of what are some good chartity shop finds you see out and about often then?...
And like someone else said on this thread, shit records are no substitute for good records. A shit record is a shit record, to fool yourself into believing otherwise is nonsense. Peoples tastes differ, lets leave it at that.
peace.
B, that wasn't directed at anyone, certainly not you.
You don't see good records in the charity shops, or boots, often. Ebay killed that. Even the "dollar bin classic turds" are thin on the ground. It isn't easy to find good records, on the cheap, in the Uk. You got to work at it, as you well know. Which is why it's annoying when some wetback, comes on here complaining how he can't find any heat (again, not directed at you) and needs people to tell him where to go, what to do.
Going over the rest of it would probably just be repeating what's already been said.
You UK dudes would do yourself well to educate yourself on some UK folk. Original UK pressings of stuff can be big money someties. Anne Briggs on topic, UK shriley collins, etc. Stuff that people on soulstrut might not be into. I think some of this stuff is good when done correctly (Anne Briggs, Nick Drake, Shelagh McDonald, the first Steeley Span, Jade Fly on Springwingams (sp?), Trees, etc).
Basically there's tons of UK Folk from the late 60s and 70s that is worth money. You have to get them in prime shape, though. Even things like first or second pressings of the first Fairport Convention titles. After spending the past few months schooling myself on this topic I want to go to the UK very badly. I need the two Trees albums
This thread is interesting. As the record hunting stories are mostly from the US on this board it's refreshing to hear perspectives from other places, especially places that are closer to my own location.
Reading all this makes me feel lucky that Denmark is an decent country for finding records. Not mind-boggling (anymore, but it was really good 10-15 years ago), but I can't complain. Still got that "soon come" feeling when it comes to finding records in the field, and the frequency of actually finding good stuff is high enough to keep the spirit going.
One of the reasons why I think we've (and i think this goes for Sweden as well) been a good location for finding records is that we''ve had a lot of shops/stores that bought mass amounts of cutouts from the US in the 70s and 80s. A lot of good records, jazz/rock/soul/disco/whatever, that just didn't sell in America at the time that these shop owners could buy in bulkloads and sell for cheap here. That's how records like The Stark Reality got here.
Then there's the influx of records from our surrounding countries Sweden, Germany, Norway and so on. We got a lot of jazz records from there. And due to the strong socialist movement of the 70s there was a big connection with all the Warsaw Pagt countries and Cuba which means that finding Juan Pablo Torres or Polish Jazz is not uncommon here.
Lastly, I think danish shops, dealers and buyers seemed to be more oblivious to the whole "collectro" aspect of records for a much longer time than other countries. The crusty rock geezers have of course always been present, but jazz, soul, disco and rock that wasn't the usual overpriced suspects or crazy psych rarities were cheap or reasonably priced.
Seems to me that the UK has had collector crazes for a much longer time (i.e. the whole Northern thing). That didn't really emerge here until the late 90s IMO. This has also meant that "regular" folks at flea markets and fairs have been much more likely to sell stuff for cheap with minimum grippage involved.
Anyway, not trying to sidetrack, I just thought it was fun to talk about more local stuff for a change. To get back on topic, my only UK digging experience has been in London a couple of years ago and that was extremely underwhelming.
i remember that shops in london were crazy expensive when it came to anyhting soul/funk/jazz/heat related[/b]. on the other hand there was a basment sale (secondhandrecords.. recordexchange.. cant remember the name? next to vinyl junkies) where you could find some more or less nice records for 50 pence. but you will definatly not find any polishjazz lp (what the f*** about those anyway? there are only a couple worth hunting down, at least imho) or any other rare jazzrecords there.
I'd love to go into a record shop and see a rack divider that said "Heat"Turds[/b]
You UK dudes would do yourself well to educate yourself on some UK folk. Original UK pressings of stuff can be big money someties.
This is is actually some good advice for you mp chooligan. If you're living in an area that doesn't seem to have the records you're looking for, try to find the ones that are of no interest to yourself but might be sought-after by others. Notice the records that actually do pop up here and the and try to find info on them. If you find something that might have some potential for trading, buy it if the price is OK. Then find people online or in the real world that might be looking for them. Sell it or trade for the stuff you are looking for.
I know this might be of little help if your situation is so grim that not even an occasional wizardfolkprog LP shows it's ugly head once in a while. But seriously, when I think of all the "items" I've passed on thoughout the years because I thought they looked shite (which they often are), I get a little dizzy. I'm just saying, try to keep an eye out for records that are not immediately interesting to you. When you first start looking for records, you tend to be a little "blind", you know. Try to spread out a little genre-wise and use what you got to get what you want.
As well, you cannot negate the tried and tested way of learning by buying anything that looks interesting and listening. After a while you will get an idea as to what is more likely to be "good" even if it's not your genre of expertise.
Trading rare records you don't like for rare records you do like is the best.
Sheep, you've been to Backbeat in eastcrosscauseway right? Whats that place like now, I've not been for years. I bet its seen some good shit in its day. Is the foul reeking owner dude with the hair and beard still there? He is a really big tool.
As well, you cannot negate the tried and tested way of learning by buying anything that looks interesting and listening. After a while you will get an idea as to what is more likely to be "good" even if it's not your genre of expertise.
Trading rare records you don't like for rare records you do like is the best.
Amen. I didn't point out the whole "broadening of musical horizons" as the main advantage of being adventurous in your purchases, but yes, it will also turn you on to new music that you didn't know you needed in your life.
Sheep, you've been to Backbeat in eastcrosscauseway right? Whats that place like now, I've not been for years. I bet its seen some good shit in its day. Is the foul reeking owner dude with the hair and beard still there? He is a really big tool.
Full of potential heat from what i gathered a few weeks ago at random prices i.e. some nice grips, was up in Edinburgh for a VV do and i lasted 4 minutes tops before telling the TOOL to fu#k #ff.........................I tried my best amicable record shopper thing too:( (LDJB did warn me and stayed on the corner while i tried)
None of my money is going in his pocket regardless of the record
Sheep, you've been to Backbeat in eastcrosscauseway right? Whats that place like now, I've not been for years. I bet its seen some good shit in its day. Is the foul reeking owner dude with the hair and beard still there? He is a really big tool.
that dude is probably one of the weirdest people in the record game. First time I went in was ultra nice to me, next time I went in, basically wanted to throw me out the store. He's a fine contendor for the Vinyl - Part 2 movie...
Imagine tupperware containers stacked to the roof on top of each other, with records bent up. Piles everywhere, it's amazing, I'm going to take a photo. But the thing is, you can't dig, you have to ask him for what you want, if you start peeping around, he gets all crazy. Definitely got *SERIOUS* OCD problems... I asked him for stuff, then he started saying he has it, rearranging the entire store around, you kinda feel sorry for the guy after a while, last time I went in he told me all the good records go on eBay where he gets 1,000 a pop... oh well... seemed like a really nice chap the first time I went in, couldn't understand why people give him such a hard time... 2nd time I went in, he showed me the true colours...
I was going to steal the sign for his store today when I was walking by... that's some holy grail shit right there...
peace.
p.s. What's up Towny! Good to see you on here, hit me on VV on the PM, we need to trade, you had some heaters that night!!!
Which is why it's annoying when some wetback[/b], comes on here complaining how he can't find any heat (again, not directed at you) and needs people to tell him where to go, what to do.
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Really though...
If i had half the money back that i spent on shitty flea market/charity shop vinyl, id be a rich man.
second one fared better, I found a DJ Shadow sample, a cover of Superstition (on Contour records - pay attention MPChooligan) and another break thats commonly covered by UK acts from the 70's - 80's.... Also had 2 diff versions of Hair, one of them might even have been a good 'un!
Last one had an Azymuth 12"- Jazz Carnival(?) which I was willing to take a chance on for ??2 but on closer inspection they wanted book price for it which was ??12 which I thought fuck that. I feel very strongly that charity shops shouldn't bite the hand that feeds them on joints, unless its super raer Hendrix red vinyl heat that was owned by Hendrix himself.....which is no brainer to get loads of cash for. Also had another 45 which I took a chance on (I bet its crap)
I took photos on my phone but I don't have admin rights to get them off onto my work PC to upload....
Finally I'm glad to report that
a little too expensive but it's always pretty dead so i don't mind paying the premium to keep a nice dude in business.
ghey
But that doesn't = "record game in the uk is super weak" It's just not easy.
Damn I'm rusty
ahhh well, time for coffee
"They don't make these anymore, y'know"
"No, I think I'd have stopped at 40 million as well"
As for the boutique outlets dedicated to "collectables" where everything is priced according to the Record Collector guides, there are still a few things that sneak through while they're trying to get ??8 for old Inspiral Carpets 12" singles.
yeah they broke out the RC book for the Azymuth!!!
Ha ha. It was stuff like this that basically killed my charity shop digging a few years ago. I could only handle a certain amount of battered beatles records in special plastic sleeves with ??20 price tags on the front.
word.
the UK is not the best place in the world especially the north of it. the south is generally better. try Manchester mate there a few decent record shops there and its not that far from doncaster.
fuck me I'm there!!!
they have a sister site which some of you maybe familiar with and in fact the beatin rhythm website and sister site share the same design and stock lists.... Its on some warehouse steeze but they have 45's for months and they used to open up to the public by appointment only but I think its no appointment necessary now...
The funny this is mOKE. - no one said that, go re-read the posts. All I personally said was that *most of (about 90%)* of the "dollar bin classic turds" are exactly that, big lumpy turds. I posted a list of good turds and other good records, there's lots more left off the list. Maybe you should post up a list of what are some good chartity shop finds you see out and about often then?...
And like someone else said on this thread, shit records are no substitute for good records. A shit record is a shit record, to fool yourself into believing otherwise is nonsense. Peoples tastes differ, lets leave it at that.
peace.
dunno about 20p though going on what I saw today
I still have an old fashioned charity shop close to my house that still prices all LP's at 20p!
They dont get much stock but when they do its at least going to be cheap.
And they dont let dealers go through the back room either so every one gets a fair chance at the goods.
Daaamn that pisses me off! Oxfam and Cancer Research are the worst offenders at that i've found! I've seen somewhere selling the Sound Of Music for ??5 :S
The cheapest i've found is a few Jimi Hendrix records in Hemsworth, Pontefract for 20p each.
However the record fairs can turn up some good stuff, they normally come monthly and do a circuit round the UK so you see the same guys everywhere but it's good when a new random person arrives because it's your best chance of finding heat. Found that Roundtable album for a couple of quid and a bunch of other stuff by doing that...
B, that wasn't directed at anyone, certainly not you.
You don't see good records in the charity shops, or boots, often. Ebay killed that. Even the "dollar bin classic turds" are thin on the ground. It isn't easy to find good records, on the cheap, in the Uk. You got to work at it, as you well know. Which is why it's annoying when some wetback, comes on here complaining how he can't find any heat (again, not directed at you) and needs people to tell him where to go, what to do.
Going over the rest of it would probably just be repeating what's already been said.
Turdiness is in the eye of the beholder.
Basically there's tons of UK Folk from the late 60s and 70s that is worth money. You have to get them in prime shape, though. Even things like first or second pressings of the first Fairport Convention titles. After spending the past few months schooling myself on this topic I want to go to the UK very badly. I need the two Trees albums
Reading all this makes me feel lucky that Denmark is an decent country for finding records. Not mind-boggling (anymore, but it was really good 10-15 years ago), but I can't complain. Still got that "soon come" feeling when it comes to finding records in the field, and the frequency of actually finding good stuff is high enough to keep the spirit going.
One of the reasons why I think we've (and i think this goes for Sweden as well) been a good location for finding records is that we''ve had a lot of shops/stores that bought mass amounts of cutouts from the US in the 70s and 80s. A lot of good records, jazz/rock/soul/disco/whatever, that just didn't sell in America at the time that these shop owners could buy in bulkloads and sell for cheap here. That's how records like The Stark Reality got here.
Then there's the influx of records from our surrounding countries Sweden, Germany, Norway and so on. We got a lot of jazz records from there. And due to the strong socialist movement of the 70s there was a big connection with all the Warsaw Pagt countries and Cuba which means that finding Juan Pablo Torres or Polish Jazz is not uncommon here.
Lastly, I think danish shops, dealers and buyers seemed to be more oblivious to the whole "collectro" aspect of records for a much longer time than other countries. The crusty rock geezers have of course always been present, but jazz, soul, disco and rock that wasn't the usual overpriced suspects or crazy psych rarities were cheap or reasonably priced.
Seems to me that the UK has had collector crazes for a much longer time (i.e. the whole Northern thing). That didn't really emerge here until the late 90s IMO. This has also meant that "regular" folks at flea markets and fairs have been much more likely to sell stuff for cheap with minimum grippage involved.
Anyway, not trying to sidetrack, I just thought it was fun to talk about more local stuff for a change. To get back on topic, my only UK digging experience has been in London a couple of years ago and that was extremely underwhelming.
This is is actually some good advice for you mp chooligan. If you're living in an area that doesn't seem to have the records you're looking for, try to find the ones that are of no interest to yourself but might be sought-after by others. Notice the records that actually do pop up here and the and try to find info on them. If you find something that might have some potential for trading, buy it if the price is OK. Then find people online or in the real world that might be looking for them. Sell it or trade for the stuff you are looking for.
I know this might be of little help if your situation is so grim that not even an occasional wizardfolkprog LP shows it's ugly head once in a while. But seriously, when I think of all the "items" I've passed on thoughout the years because I thought they looked shite (which they often are), I get a little dizzy. I'm just saying, try to keep an eye out for records that are not immediately interesting to you. When you first start looking for records, you tend to be a little "blind", you know. Try to spread out a little genre-wise and use what you got to get what you want.
Trading rare records you don't like for rare records you do like is the best.
Amen. I didn't point out the whole "broadening of musical horizons" as the main advantage of being adventurous in your purchases, but yes, it will also turn you on to new music that you didn't know you needed in your life.
To avoid spending your money in useless terds, buy a portable.
Peace
Full of potential heat from what i gathered a few weeks ago at random prices i.e. some nice grips, was up in Edinburgh for a VV do and i lasted 4 minutes tops before telling the TOOL to fu#k #ff.........................I tried my best amicable record shopper thing too:( (LDJB did warn me and stayed on the corner while i tried)
None of my money is going in his pocket regardless of the record
that dude is probably one of the weirdest people in the record game. First time I went in was ultra nice to me, next time I went in, basically wanted to throw me out the store. He's a fine contendor for the Vinyl - Part 2 movie...
Imagine tupperware containers stacked to the roof on top of each other, with records bent up. Piles everywhere, it's amazing, I'm going to take a photo. But the thing is, you can't dig, you have to ask him for what you want, if you start peeping around, he gets all crazy. Definitely got *SERIOUS* OCD problems... I asked him for stuff, then he started saying he has it, rearranging the entire store around, you kinda feel sorry for the guy after a while, last time I went in he told me all the good records go on eBay where he gets 1,000 a pop... oh well... seemed like a really nice chap the first time I went in, couldn't understand why people give him such a hard time... 2nd time I went in, he showed me the true colours...
I was going to steal the sign for his store today when I was walking by... that's some holy grail shit right there...
peace.
p.s. What's up Towny! Good to see you on here, hit me on VV on the PM, we need to trade, you had some heaters that night!!!