~~~"Hipster" DJ Ethics Conversation~~~

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  • JimBeamJimBeam Seattle. 2,012 Posts


    However, this club ad, and corresponding thread title, are nothing more than soulstrut catnip. More people have now seen this flyer because of this thread than would have as it was passed around Vegas. Soulstrut should receive a royalty check from Camel.
    Advantageous entrepreneurs revealed?

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    wrong

    Alcoholism is a bigger problem than Emphysema

    There are more alcoholics than there are people suffering from emphysema but there are more people who DIE from the latter than the former.

    Are both of you being sarcastic? I hope so.

    Tobacco related illnesses are the number one cause of preventable deaths in the USA. More than AIDS, car accidents, drugs and rap combined.

    Fatback - you need to read mang!

    I was responding to a very specific question of "alcoholism vs. emphysema" and in terms people who suffer from the two, there are more alcoholics out there but if we're talking about morbidity, emphysema kills more people.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win. If you call that winning.

    Cigarettes do not destroy families the way alcohol does. Cigarettes do not kill young people the way alcohol does. Cigarettes do not kill random innocent people the way drunk driving does.

    So for many reasons alcohol can be seen as a bigger problem.

    Cigs cost society lots more money in medical costs. alcohol cost more in costs of productive young people.

    Cigs are addictive to almost every one who uses them regularly. Alcohol is addictive to a small number of users. Alcohol addiction destroys your life and the lives of those around you. Cigarette addiction destroys your health and the health of those around you.

    As for the idea that it is the additives in cigs that kill, WRONG. Nicotine and other natural components of tobacco cause cancer and lung diseases. Nor is alcohol free of artificial additives.

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Cigarettes do not kill random innocent people the way drunk driving does.

    2nd hand smoke doesn't count?

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts

    just DJing a party.

    snowboard

    Broken ankles are a bigger problem than Styx/MJG mash-ups.

  • salviasalvia 279 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win. If you call that winning.

    Cigarettes do not destroy families the way alcohol does. Cigarettes do not kill young people the way alcohol does. Cigarettes do not kill random innocent people the way drunk driving does.

    So for many reasons alcohol can be seen as a bigger problem.

    Cigs cost society lots more money in medical costs. alcohol cost more in costs of productive young people.

    Cigs are addictive to almost every one who uses them regularly. Alcohol is addictive to a small number of users. Alcohol addiction destroys your life and the lives of those around you. Cigarette addiction destroys your health and the health of those around you.

    As for the idea that it is the additives in cigs that kill, WRONG. Nicotine and other natural components of tobacco cause cancer and lung diseases. Nor is alcohol free of artificial additives.




    Alcohol is a way bigger problem IMO.

  • 33thirdcom33thirdcom 2,049 Posts
    All of the DJs in that ad suck. But maybe all of the GOOD DJs had a moral objection so camel was left with the bottom of the barrel.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    wrong

    Alcoholism is a bigger problem than Emphysema

    There are more alcoholics than there are people suffering from emphysema but there are more people who DIE from the latter than the former.

    Are both of you being sarcastic? I hope so.

    Tobacco related illnesses are the number one cause of preventable deaths in the USA. More than AIDS, car accidents, drugs and rap combined.

    Fatback - you need to read mang!

    I was responding to a very specific question of "alcoholism vs. emphysema" and in terms people who suffer from the two, there are more alcoholics out there but if we're talking about morbidity, emphysema kills more people.

    OK, but isn't death a pretty benchmark for something being a problem? I think so.

    The premise that Dr. Powers set out was problematic to begin with...

    drunk driving is not comparable to lung cancer...

    the proper comparison would be between tobacco use and driving under the influence.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    The premise that Dr. Powers set out was problematic to begin with...

    drunk driving is not comparable to lung cancer...

    the proper comparison would be between tobacco use and driving under the influence.

    Y** So*nd W*it*

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win.

    Yeah, and?

    You might recover from alcoholism, but you are unlikely to recover from dying.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    The premise that Dr. Powers set out was problematic to begin with...

    drunk driving is not comparable to lung cancer...

    the proper comparison would be between tobacco use and driving under the influence.

    Y** So*nd W*it*

    YOUR BECKY TEPID ASSHURT, SON.

  • Deep_SangDeep_Sang 1,081 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win.

    Yeah, and?

    You might recover from alcoholism, but you are unlikely to recover from dying.

    Sorry to nitpick, but technically you are always recovering, not recovered. As you were.

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win.

    Yeah, and?

    You might recover from alcoholism, but you are unlikely to recover from dying.

    Sorry to nitpick, but technically you are always recovering, not recovered. As you were.

    I'LL RECOVER WHEN I'M DEAD, BITCHES!!!

  • DJ_NevilleCDJ_NevilleC 1,922 Posts

  • PATXPATX 2,820 Posts

    just DJing a party.

    snowboard

    Broken ankles are a bigger problem than Styx/MJG mash-ups.

    I guess at the end of the day Camel's biggest crime is that they are promoting terrible music. And music that doesn't put money in musician's pockets. And drunk driving, since Mompants and Aoki are Paris and Lindsay's favorite DJs. And a cartoon character with a cocknballs for a face.

    The smoking is way down the list of greivances.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    Cigarettes do not kill random innocent people the way drunk driving does.

    2nd hand smoke doesn't count?

    I italized random for a reason.

  • edpowersedpowers 4,437 Posts
    The premise that Dr. Powers set out was problematic to begin with...

    drunk driving is not comparable to lung cancer...

    the proper comparison would be between tobacco use and driving under the influence.

    Y** So*nd W*it*

    YOUR BECKY TEPID ASSHURT, SON.


  • DJ_NevilleCDJ_NevilleC 1,922 Posts

  • PATXPATX 2,820 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win.

    Yeah, and?

    You might recover from alcoholism, but you are unlikely to recover from dying.

    Sorry to nitpick, but technically you are always recovering, not recovered. As you were.

    YOU SOUND BORN AGAIN

  • FatbackFatback 6,746 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win.

    Yeah, and?

    You might recover from alcoholism, but you are unlikely to recover from dying.

    Sorry to nitpick, but technically you are always recovering, not recovered. As you were.

    YOU SOUND BORN AGAIN

    you beat me to it.

    I was gonna say YOU SOUND DRUNK though.

  • Deep_SangDeep_Sang 1,081 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win.

    Yeah, and?

    You might recover from alcoholism, but you are unlikely to recover from dying.

    Sorry to nitpick, but technically you are always recovering, not recovered. As you were.

    YOU SOUND BORN AGAIN

    Falwell is my homeboy.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    I imagine that folks would draw the line somewhere in terms of endorsements...it's subjective, right? Personally, I've turned down gigs that involved tobacco money (but I'm also not a working DJ so it's not like my rent depends on shit like this) but I can't say that EVERYTHING I do in life doesn't have negative consequences somewhere down the line.

    That said, I've never trusted the kind of relativism that goes, "well, if you won't do A but you do B, isn't that hypocritical?" since really, what people are trying to do is backdoor a clause that allows them to do ANYTHING without fear of critique.

    If DJs want to take tobacco money for a gig, it's not an innocent choice. Doesn't mean you shouldn't cash the check but own it, at least.
    to me letting yrself get put onto advertisements is a whole nother level of the MORALLY AMBIGUOUS SELLOUT because when you do a 21+ show, its a 21+ show (still suspect cause these companies are basically evil but you can make the 'adults' argument) but when yr talking about advertisements in a magazine you are actually appearing to sell this lifestyle and to me thats just a bad look all the way around. If you don't think teenagers don't look at shit like that yr kidding yrself (not you odub but 'you' generally).


    the cigarette industry sucks. endorsing alcohol doesnt bother me but i dont see how people can still defend cigarette companies after all these years and revelations and the huge number of people they've killed

    I'm shocked that this is an actual debate.

    Alcohol + cigarettes go hand-in-hand with the clurb[/b]--I just can't believe anybody would object to DJs getting some of that cigarette money.

    lol busted...you're in new york right?

    when's the last time you went to a club homey

    Very funny, deej--the world's a lot bigger than New York.

  • PATXPATX 2,820 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win.

    Yeah, and?

    You might recover from alcoholism, but you are unlikely to recover from dying.

    Sorry to nitpick, but technically you are always recovering, not recovered. As you were.

    YOU SOUND BORN AGAIN

    Falwell is my homeboy.

    was

  • UnherdUnherd 1,880 Posts
    All of the DJs in that ad make more money than me[/b].


  • PATXPATX 2,820 Posts
    I imagine that folks would draw the line somewhere in terms of endorsements...it's subjective, right? Personally, I've turned down gigs that involved tobacco money (but I'm also not a working DJ so it's not like my rent depends on shit like this) but I can't say that EVERYTHING I do in life doesn't have negative consequences somewhere down the line.

    That said, I've never trusted the kind of relativism that goes, "well, if you won't do A but you do B, isn't that hypocritical?" since really, what people are trying to do is backdoor a clause that allows them to do ANYTHING without fear of critique.

    If DJs want to take tobacco money for a gig, it's not an innocent choice. Doesn't mean you shouldn't cash the check but own it, at least.
    to me letting yrself get put onto advertisements is a whole nother level of the MORALLY AMBIGUOUS SELLOUT because when you do a 21+ show, its a 21+ show (still suspect cause these companies are basically evil but you can make the 'adults' argument) but when yr talking about advertisements in a magazine you are actually appearing to sell this lifestyle and to me thats just a bad look all the way around. If you don't think teenagers don't look at shit like that yr kidding yrself (not you odub but 'you' generally).


    the cigarette industry sucks. endorsing alcohol doesnt bother me but i dont see how people can still defend cigarette companies after all these years and revelations and the huge number of people they've killed

    I'm shocked that this is an actual debate.

    Alcohol + cigarettes go hand-in-hand with the clurb[/b]--I just can't believe anybody would object to DJs getting some of that cigarette money.

    lol busted...you're in new york right?

    when's the last time you went to a club homey

    Very funny, deej--the world's a lot bigger than New York.

    Yeah, don't forget the Poconos.

  • 33thirdcom33thirdcom 2,049 Posts
    All of the DJs in that ad make more money than me[/b].


    Thats your argument?

    "Yeh they suck but hey they make alot of money so its ok." GTFOHWTBS

    The amount of money they make does not change the fact taht they still suck at what they do.

  • Deep_SangDeep_Sang 1,081 Posts
    Drunk Driving is a bigger problem than Lung Cancer.

    Not remotely true. Other way around mang, almost by a 10 : 1 ratio (if you're counting deaths related to each).

    If all count are number of deaths cigs win.

    Yeah, and?

    You might recover from alcoholism, but you are unlikely to recover from dying.

    Sorry to nitpick, but technically you are always recovering, not recovered. As you were.

    YOU SOUND BORN AGAIN

    Falwell is my homeboy.

    was

    Oh, you haven't heard? He was born again

  • UnherdUnherd 1,880 Posts
    All of the DJs in that ad make more money than me[/b].


    Thats your argument?

    "Yeh they suck but hey they make alot of money so its ok." GTFOHWTBS

    The amount of money they make does not change the fact taht they still suck at what they do.

    I never said that they don't suck or that it was ok. I implied that you sound asshurt....

  • 33thirdcom33thirdcom 2,049 Posts
    All of the DJs in that ad make more money than me[/b].


    Thats your argument?

    "Yeh they suck but hey they make alot of money so its ok." GTFOHWTBS

    The amount of money they make does not change the fact taht they still suck at what they do.

    I never said that they don't suck or that it was ok. I implied that you sound asshurt....

    ha I call em as I see/hear em. if that makes me asshurt then so be it.

  • emyndemynd 830 Posts
    I imagine that folks would draw the line somewhere in terms of endorsements...it's subjective, right? Personally, I've turned down gigs that involved tobacco money (but I'm also not a working DJ so it's not like my rent depends on shit like this) but I can't say that EVERYTHING I do in life doesn't have negative consequences somewhere down the line.

    That said, I've never trusted the kind of relativism that goes, "well, if you won't do A but you do B, isn't that hypocritical?" since really, what people are trying to do is backdoor a clause that allows them to do ANYTHING without fear of critique.

    If DJs want to take tobacco money for a gig, it's not an innocent choice. Doesn't mean you shouldn't cash the check but own it, at least.
    to me letting yrself get put onto advertisements is a whole nother level of the MORALLY AMBIGUOUS SELLOUT because when you do a 21+ show, its a 21+ show (still suspect cause these companies are basically evil but you can make the 'adults' argument) but when yr talking about advertisements in a magazine you are actually appearing to sell this lifestyle and to me thats just a bad look all the way around. If you don't think teenagers don't look at shit like that yr kidding yrself (not you odub but 'you' generally).


    the cigarette industry sucks. endorsing alcohol doesnt bother me but i dont see how people can still defend cigarette companies after all these years and revelations and the huge number of people they've killed

    I'm shocked that this is an actual debate.

    Alcohol + cigarettes go hand-in-hand with the clurb[/b]--I just can't believe anybody would object to DJs getting some of that cigarette money.

    lol busted...you're in new york right?

    when's the last time you went to a club homey

    Very funny, deej--the world's a lot bigger than New York.

    Not to mention the fact that the smoking ban in New York did not suddenly make people non-smokers. I know plenty of people in New York who smoke and the smoking ban certainly did not change that. Now they just smoke outside of the club instead of in it.

    The fact of the matter here is this: this post would not exist if the DJs doing it weren't "celebrity DJs." People here don't so much have a problem with the fact that these DJs are DJing for a cigarette company, they resent the fact that they're celebrity DJs DJing for a cigarette company.

    And, working DJs, how many times have you DJed at a bar and/or club where there was a cigarette promotion going on where they were handing out free cigarettes? Did you walk out of your gig in protest?

    This is such a non-issue.

    -e
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