All that being said, I haven't seen "Mulholland Drive" so I don't want to comment on it, but I agree that "Blue Velvet" is fucking great. From the political links Lynch is making between the conservative '50s and '80s (and, by extension, the "repression leads to perversion" theme); to the soundtrack; to the purposefully "bad" acting of MacLachlan and Dern (contrasted with Hopper's excellent performance); the opening scene that Awdamn mentions to the hilarious last scene with the bird with the bug in its mouth... man, that movie is fucking perfect.
word. not to mention the two kids meddling with the grown folks is on some hardy boys/encyclopedia brown suburban mystery steez.
shig: i'll be sure to check out that title despite dubious' art school warning but only because we both share a love for godard who is mega art schooley so i got no qualms about that. unfortunately, i wasn't able to peep any of the ghibli titles because the shrubbery we smokeded weighed us down too much. it would have been perfect to watch too - i guess i will have to settle for batman and rent those titles you recommended. i love spirited away so i'm interested in seeing more of that style.
Lynch's movies come from the heart; they are not part of some sort of hustle he put together in order to appeal to some segment of the population. Wes Anderson, on the other hand...
Well last night I saw "Rivers and Tides." That's the shit right there. Building piles of sticks on the beach, uselessly winding stone walls wandering aimlessly through a Scottish forest. That's true art for its own sake. Check this movie YO.
ha ha! true, but for good reason. lynch's films are watered down versions of what resnais/robbe-grillet laid down. alls im saying is lynch films aspire to be marienbad, in a certain sense, and allow a bunch of corndogs to chill at starbucks and "discuss".
well at least lynch has the good sense to throw in some titties
ps what is sctv?
dude are you shittin me!!!!
JOHN FUCKIN CANDY EUGENE FUCKIN LEVY ANDREA FUCKIN MARTIN DAVE FUCKIN THOMAS MARTIN FUCKIN SHORT RICK FUCKIN MORANIS HAROLD FUCKIN RAMIS
THE GREAT WHITE NORTH MOTHER FUCKER
funkin americans.. you're entire comedy industry is ruled by canadians and you can never give us the props!!!!!
Additionally, I find these little "secret codes" that you can read online to absolutely miss the point of Lynch's work. The challenging nature of Lynch's movies are a huge part of their success and efficacy, and to just find some sort of secret decoder ring online that "explains" everything in some absolute manner is to completely miss the point.
yup. whole heartedly cosign this. you shouldnt have to read articles on the internet to enjoy or understand a movie. if anything, repeated viewings should do the trick
It's OK not to "understand" a film, too. I know I miss a lot of sub-plots and themes and little nuances in films because I don't know the Bible. But that's OK because films can be enjoyed on a sensual/visual/emotional level and not an academic/intellectual one. Greenaway's Baby of Macon is steeped in Catholicism and I don't get half of the references, but that movie shook me to my core.
ms. damn, i guess we can agree to disagree. but if you get the chance, check out "last year at marienbad [l'anee dernier a marienbad]". for my money, a much more invested film as far as the reworking of accepted narrative.
are you on crack dude???
that's only THE most pretensious BS art school wank fest of ALL TIME man... see endless SCTV spoofs
I feel the same about Last Year at Marienbad (at first-reading, the book is even more difficult to decipher). The story might seem obtuse, but damn it looks good!
SCTV is brilliant, but just because they made fun of it doesn't mean it sucks.
CLARIFICATION: I feel the same as Shig about Marienbad.
dang, canada is all up in a twist. and for the record, i appreciate the comic relief of seeing canadians abroad with maple leafs all up in their shit to distinguish them from americans. the chip on their shoulder is quite entertaining.
yet, im still unclear as to what sctv is. sounds like an old tv show ala snl?
missbassie. have you seen not reconciled? i did see this in art class as it was one of the rare times i actually showed up to class, and even more rare was that i wasnt high on the weed. that movie is one great big bong rip. i mean that in a good way, i think.
ps mama damn. them ghibli films are showing thoughout the month of june and i seem to recall something about a free thursday at the pfa. i might be mistaken tho...
im not a fan of lynch. i feel like dude tries to be confusing without any real stake in why. confusing for the sake of it. plus i got no patience for this. dude is trying too hard to be one of them german abstract expressionists or some shit and it just comes off like some esoteric bourgeois doodoo. just my opinion.
well since you also mention enjoying peter greenway than i will rest my case that marienbad is just PLAIN bad.
It's officially official - I've got bad taste!
sorry miss bassie
from a female perspective i guess greenaway movies have some sort of appeal.
ewan mcgregor with his cock out for 3 hours?? i think i shall pass.
could you please just go back to saying I have bad taste as opposed to referring to my "female perspective"?
cripes dude!
I thought Pillow Book sucked, by the way, and The Baby of Macon has one of the most brutal and harrowing rape scenes in it, so let's just leave it at that.
sorry fer insinuating that gratuitus male frontal nudity could possibly be construed as being of interest to a female veiwer.. that was most definatly way off base.
and yes pillow book did suck beyond all possiblities of suckage.
themack i think you should try to watch 'seconds', from 1966. probably the best movie i've seen in the "mindfuck" genre or whatever they call it. seriously one of the best movies i've ever had the pleasure to watch.
themack i think you should try to watch 'seconds', from 1966. probably the best movie i've seen in the "mindfuck" genre or whatever they call it. seriously one of the best movies i've ever had the pleasure to watch.
cosign. great movie. but not along the same lines as what lynch is trying to do with flipping narrative structure on its ear.
themack i think you should try to watch 'seconds', from 1966. probably the best movie i've seen in the "mindfuck" genre or whatever they call it. seriously one of the best movies i've ever had the pleasure to watch.
cosign. great movie.
oh shit i missed this. hell yeah on seconds. what a strange movie, especially when it gets to that scene where all those nutty nudists are stomping on grapes. the camerawork is all disorienting and shit, but in a real proper way. i also like that this movie seems kinda real in regards to the real secrets rock hudson had with his identity. frankenheimer's style is dope and so hypnotic. eff a new version of manchurian candidate!!
the mack you really reall need to peep INGMAR BERGMAN, the holy dude of mindfuckery on celluloid.
Title: Hour of the Wolf Foreign Title: Vargtimmen Director: Ingmar Bergman Year: 1968 Runtime: 88 min Country: Sweden Cast: Liv Ullmann, Max von Sydow
Screening times and locations: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:30 PM All films are screened at Jackman Hall
Film Description: In a foreword to the manuscript of this masterpiece of psychological horror, Bergman wrote: "The hour of the wolf is the time between night and dawn. It is the hour when most people die, when sleep is deepest, when nightmares are most palpable. It is the hour when the sleepless are pursued by their sharpest anxieties, when ghosts and demons hold sway. It is also the hour when most children are born." Max von Sydow plays a painter obsessed with the memory of a young woman (Ingrid Thulin), who was his lover until he was placed in a mental institution. The painter???s pregnant wife (Liv Ullmann) ??? "quite simply, the most beautiful character in Bergman???s whole work" (Robin Wood) ??? is unable to stop his descent into madness, and in the harrowing second half of the film, he does battle with demonic visions of sexual humiliation and ritual murder. "Brilliant . . . handled with typical virtuosity with a dazzling flow of surrealism, expressionism and full-blooded Gothic horror" (Tom Milne, Time Out Film Guide).
Title: Hour of the Wolf Foreign Title: Vargtimmen Director: Ingmar Bergman Year: 1968 Runtime: 88 min Country: Sweden Cast: Liv Ullmann, Max von Sydow
Screening times and locations: Friday, June 17, 2005 8:30 PM All films are screened at Jackman Hall
Film Description: In a foreword to the manuscript of this masterpiece of psychological horror, Bergman wrote: "The hour of the wolf is the time between night and dawn. It is the hour when most people die, when sleep is deepest, when nightmares are most palpable. It is the hour when the sleepless are pursued by their sharpest anxieties, when ghosts and demons hold sway. It is also the hour when most children are born." Max von Sydow plays a painter obsessed with the memory of a young woman (Ingrid Thulin), who was his lover until he was placed in a mental institution. The painter???s pregnant wife (Liv Ullmann) ??? "quite simply, the most beautiful character in Bergman???s whole work" (Robin Wood) ??? is unable to stop his descent into madness, and in the harrowing second half of the film, he does battle with demonic visions of sexual humiliation and ritual murder. "Brilliant . . . handled with typical virtuosity with a dazzling flow of surrealism, expressionism and full-blooded Gothic horror" (Tom Milne, Time Out Film Guide).
ha ha! true, but for good reason. lynch's films are watered down versions of what resnais/robbe-grillet laid down. alls im saying is lynch films aspire to be marienbad, in a certain sense, and allow a bunch of corndogs to chill at starbucks and "discuss".
well at least lynch has the good sense to throw in some titties
ps what is sctv?
dude are you shittin me!!!!
JOHN FUCKIN CANDY EUGENE FUCKIN LEVY ANDREA FUCKIN MARTIN DAVE FUCKIN THOMAS MARTIN FUCKIN SHORT RICK FUCKIN MORANIS HAROLD FUCKIN RAMIS
THE GREAT WHITE NORTH MOTHER FUCKER
funkin americans.. you're entire comedy industry is ruled by canadians and you can never give us the props!!!!!
DAvid Lynch is ehhhhh... SCTV is the shit though... Probably about the funniest TV show on tv ever... I used to watch the reruns on comedy Central when the channel first aired.
In a foreword to the manuscript of this masterpiece of psychological horror, Bergman wrote: "The hour of the wolf is the time between night and dawn. It is the hour when most people die, when sleep is deepest, when nightmares are most palpable. It is the hour when the sleepless are pursued by their sharpest anxieties, when ghosts and demons hold sway. It is also the hour when most children are born." Max von Sydow plays a painter obsessed with the memory of a young woman (Ingrid Thulin), who was his lover until he was placed in a mental institution. The painter???s pregnant wife (Liv Ullmann) ??? "quite simply, the most beautiful character in Bergman???s whole work" (Robin Wood) ??? is unable to stop his descent into madness, and in the harrowing second half of the film, he does battle with demonic visions of sexual humiliation and ritual murder. "Brilliant . . . handled with typical virtuosity with a dazzling flow of surrealism, expressionism and full-blooded Gothic horror" (Tom Milne, Time Out Film Guide).
wow that sounds rad!
as juicy as that description sounds, it's not THAT heavy handed or gratuitous. it teeters on it, but it stays cerebrally creepy. also the_mack, i don't know if you have the patience for b&w especially since the stuff you seen of lynch is all about saturated and vibrant colors, but trust me the b&w cinematography is really beautiful, majestic & dreamy looking. plus, it's got max von sydow starring in it who you may know better as ming the merciless in the flash gordon movie.
Someone called Lynch an intellectual...actually he's the total opposite, he relies on pure muse-driven creative impulses with little thought to how the ego/awake mind/conscious will deal with it. He kinda comes out of the surrealist school that way, where they consider the dream-driven ideas from the well of the unconcious to be pure creativity, and they strive for that. The key to enjoying Lynch is to turn off your analytic mind and "feel" each scene, he's all about the emotional response, the moods that you can't put into words.
MULHOLLAND DRIVE started as an ABC pilot (produced by Ron Howard!) that was rejected. The original pilot is worth seeing, it has some scenes changed or missing from the movie, and lacks the metaphysical elements, playing like a nice, moody mystery instead.
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word. not to mention the two kids meddling with the grown folks is on some hardy boys/encyclopedia brown suburban mystery steez.
shig: i'll be sure to check out that title despite dubious' art school warning but only because we both share a love for godard who is mega art schooley so i got no qualms about that. unfortunately, i wasn't able to peep any of the ghibli titles because the shrubbery we smokeded weighed us down too much. it would have been perfect to watch too - i guess i will have to settle for batman and rent those titles you recommended. i love spirited away so i'm interested in seeing more of that style.
Well last night I saw "Rivers and Tides." That's the shit right there. Building piles of sticks on the beach, uselessly winding stone walls wandering aimlessly through a Scottish forest. That's true art for its own sake. Check this movie YO.
well at least lynch has the good sense to throw in some titties
dude are you shittin me!!!!
JOHN FUCKIN CANDY
EUGENE FUCKIN LEVY
ANDREA FUCKIN MARTIN
DAVE FUCKIN THOMAS
MARTIN FUCKIN SHORT
RICK FUCKIN MORANIS
HAROLD FUCKIN RAMIS
THE GREAT WHITE NORTH MOTHER FUCKER
funkin americans.. you're entire comedy industry is ruled by canadians and you can never give us the props!!!!!
It's OK not to "understand" a film, too. I know I miss a lot of sub-plots and themes and little nuances in films because I don't know the Bible. But that's OK because films can be enjoyed on a sensual/visual/emotional level and not an academic/intellectual one. Greenaway's Baby of Macon is steeped in Catholicism and I don't get half of the references, but that movie shook me to my core.
I feel the same about Last Year at Marienbad (at first-reading, the book is even more difficult to decipher). The story might seem obtuse, but damn it looks good!
SCTV is brilliant, but just because they made fun of it doesn't mean it sucks.
CLARIFICATION: I feel the same as Shig about Marienbad.
yet, im still unclear as to what sctv is. sounds like an old tv show ala snl?
missbassie. have you seen not reconciled? i did see this in art class as it was one of the rare times i actually showed up to class, and even more rare was that i wasnt high on the weed. that movie is one great big bong rip. i mean that in a good way, i think.
ps
mama damn. them ghibli films are showing thoughout the month of june and i seem to recall something about a free thursday at the pfa. i might be mistaken tho...
----hahaha! peep game
True dat, but don't forget Second City started in Chicago and let us not forget the other true comedy gangsters of the 70s
BILL FUCKIN MURRAY
DAN FUCKIN ACKROYD
JOHN FUCKIN BELUSHI
GILDA FUCKIN RADNER
It are beyond me, too.
Clearly it wasn't because of your grammar!
ZIIIIIIIIING!
-e
word but the show is straight hoser so take off eh!
RICHARD FUCKING PRYOR
It's officially official - I've got bad taste!
Cosign-a-reeno....
Brewster Millions baby!!!
Candy & Pryor
north south
we came together !
sorry miss bassie
from a female perspective i guess greenaway movies have some sort of appeal.
ewan mcgregor with his cock out for 3 hours?? i think i shall pass.
could you please just go back to saying I have bad taste as opposed to referring to my "female perspective"?
cripes dude!
I thought Pillow Book sucked, by the way, and The Baby of Macon has one of the most brutal and harrowing rape scenes in it, so let's just leave it at that.
havent heard that expression in awhile
sorry fer insinuating that gratuitus male frontal nudity could possibly be construed as being of interest to a female veiwer.. that was most definatly way off base.
and yes pillow book did suck beyond all possiblities of suckage.
cosign. great movie. but not along the same lines as what lynch is trying to do with flipping narrative structure on its ear.
Oh hell yes...Naomi Watts 'n' the other lady were damn foxxy in that film. More JpegRAER plaese.
SG
oh shit i missed this. hell yeah on seconds. what a strange movie, especially when it gets to that scene where all those nutty nudists are stomping on grapes. the camerawork is all disorienting and shit, but in a real proper way. i also like that this movie seems kinda real in regards to the real secrets rock hudson had with his identity. frankenheimer's style is dope and so hypnotic. eff a new version of manchurian candidate!!
the mack you really reall need to peep INGMAR BERGMAN, the holy dude of mindfuckery on celluloid.
start with this:
Title: Hour of the Wolf
Foreign Title: Vargtimmen
Director: Ingmar Bergman
Year: 1968
Runtime: 88 min
Country: Sweden
Cast: Liv Ullmann, Max von Sydow
Screening times and locations:
Friday, June 17, 2005 8:30 PM
All films are screened at Jackman Hall
Film Description:
In a foreword to the manuscript of this masterpiece of psychological horror, Bergman wrote: "The hour of the wolf is the time between night and dawn. It is the hour when most people die, when sleep is deepest, when nightmares are most palpable. It is the hour when the sleepless are pursued by their sharpest anxieties, when ghosts and demons hold sway. It is also the hour when most children are born." Max von Sydow plays a painter obsessed with the memory of a young woman (Ingrid Thulin), who was his lover until he was placed in a mental institution. The painter???s pregnant wife (Liv Ullmann) ??? "quite simply, the most beautiful character in Bergman???s whole work" (Robin Wood) ??? is unable to stop his descent into madness, and in the harrowing second half of the film, he does battle with demonic visions of sexual humiliation and ritual murder. "Brilliant . . . handled with typical virtuosity with a dazzling flow of surrealism, expressionism and full-blooded Gothic horror" (Tom Milne, Time Out Film Guide).
DAvid Lynch is ehhhhh... SCTV is the shit though... Probably about the funniest TV show on tv ever... I used to watch the reruns on comedy Central when the channel first aired.
Fucking co-sign!
This film was so far ahead of it's time it's still in the future as far as I'm concerned.
I just threw that one up as #1 on my Netflix queue.
as juicy as that description sounds, it's not THAT heavy handed or gratuitous. it teeters on it, but it stays cerebrally creepy. also the_mack, i don't know if you have the patience for b&w especially since the stuff you seen of lynch is all about saturated and vibrant colors, but trust me the b&w cinematography is really beautiful, majestic & dreamy looking. plus, it's got max von sydow starring in it who you may know better as ming the merciless in the flash gordon movie.
MULHOLLAND DRIVE started as an ABC pilot (produced by Ron Howard!) that was rejected. The original pilot is worth seeing, it has some scenes changed or missing from the movie, and lacks the metaphysical elements, playing like a nice, moody mystery instead.