I'm SOOO Sick of This F*$!#%!%^! Bullshit!! NRR

The_Non · November 2006

What the fuck. These dudes didn't start the party by hitting anything, I guaranfuckingtee it. I don't care what story Raymond Kelly concocts. Amadou's still fucking dead with no justice, and the tactics continue. Why don't they work on things like catching the person who gladbagged that 15 year old girl this past summer?By DEEPTI HAJELA, Associated Press Writer 17 minutes ago NEW YORK - On the day his honeymoon was to have started, Sean Bell's memory and the manner of his death ??? shot, unarmed, by police ??? dominated the latest outcry against city officers' use of deadly force. ADVERTISEMENT Several hundred people held a vigil for Bell on Sunday, some shouting "No justice, no peace!" and demanding the ouster of Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly. Many counted off to 50, the number of rounds estimated to have been fired by police at Bell, 23, and two other unarmed men in a car early Saturday, hours before he was to have married the mother of his two children.The five officers were placed on paid administrative leave and stripped of their guns, said Paul Browne, chief spokesman for the NYPD. Police and prosecutors promised a full investigation, and Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Kelly planned to meet with community leaders at City Hall on Monday.None of that stemmed the fury of a community outraged by the shootings."We cannot allow this to continue to happen," the Rev. Al Sharpton said at the gathering outside Mary Immaculate Hospital, where one of the two wounded men was in critical condition. "We've got to understand that all of us were in that car."Relatives of the men attended the vigil and rally but none spoke publicly.Kelly has said police shot at the car after it drove forward and struck an undercover officer and an unmarked police minivan. The information was based on interviews with witnesses and two officers who did not fire their weapons, he said.However, Trini Wright, a dancer at the strip club where Bell's bachelor party was held, told the Daily News she was going to a diner with the men and was putting her makeup bag in the trunk of their car when the police minivan appeared."The minivan came around the corner and smashed into their car. And they (the police) jumped out shooting," Wright, 28, told the newspaper for Monday editions. "No 'stop.' No 'freeze.' No nothing."[/b]Kelly had said Saturday it was too early to say whether the shooting was justified. He said it was unclear whether the officers, who were in plain clothes, identified themselves before firing.Bell's fiancee, Nicole Paultre, made a quiet visit to the site of his shootings before dawn Monday, lighting candles clustered around a photograph of the smiling couple with one of their daughters.The shootings occurred after 4 a.m. Saturday outside the Kalua Cabaret in Queens. Kelly said the confrontation stemmed from an undercover operation by seven officers investigating the club.Bell was struck twice. Joseph Guzman, 31, was shot at least 11 times, and Trent Benefield, 23, was hit three times. Guzman was in critical condition Monday and Benefield was stable.The officers' shots struck the men's car 21 times. They also hit nearby homes and shattered windows at a train station, though no residents were injured.Police thought one of the men in the car might have had a gun, but investigators found no weapons. It was unclear what prompted police to open fire, Kelly said.According to Kelly, the groom was involved in a verbal dispute outside the club, and one of his friends referred to a gun.An undercover officer walked closely behind Bell and his friends as they headed for their car. As he walked toward the front of the vehicle, the car drove forward, striking the officer and minivan, Kelly said.That officer was apparently the first to open fire, Kelly said. He had served on the force for five years. One 12-year veteran fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines, Kelly said. It was the first time any of the officers, all of whom carried 9 mm handguns, had been involved in a shooting, he said. At some point, Bell backed the car onto a sidewalk, hitting a building gate, police said. He then drove forward, striking the police vehicle a second time, Kelly said. The department's policy prohibits shooting at moving vehicles states "unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle." This isn't the first time the NYPD has come under scrutiny over officer-involved shootings. In 1999, police killed Amadou Diallo, an unarmed immigrant from Guinea in western Africa who was shot 19 times. The four officers in that case were acquitted of criminal charges. And in 2003, Ousmane Zongo, a native of Burkina Faso in western Africa, was hit four times, twice in the back. In that case, one officer was convicted of criminally negligent homicide, but acquitted of the more serious charge of second-degree manslaughter. ___

funky16corners · November 2006

The local news is saying that the cops went completely batshit with the guns. Bullets were hitting the elevated train, houses etc. More quality NYC police work....

batmon · November 2006

SHIT IS MAD FOUL!!!

The kid didnt have a gun on him.

Pistol_Pete · November 2006

50 shots fired by the police, no one in the car was armed. WTF?!?!?

Rumors are that the car rammed an undercover surveillance van, while other rumors suggest the van rammed them.

Danno3000 · November 2006

The NYT said the truck ran into an undercover cop who then started shooting:

The Altima reversed, mounting a sidewalk and hitting the lowered gate of a building before going forward and striking the van again. The officers opened fire, striking Mr. Bell, 23, twice, in the right arm and neck, Commissioner Kelly said. The critically wounded man, Joseph Guzman, 31, was struck 11 times, and the third man, Trent Benefield, 23, three times. Mr. Kelly said it was unclear whether there was a fourth man in the car and what became of him.
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A person familiar with the case who knows the detectives??? version of events said yesterday that it was Mr. Guzman who asked for his gun, and that the first undercover detective on foot clearly identified himself to the occupants of the car and, gun drawn, told them to get out. Instead, the person said, they roared toward him. That detective fired the first shot.

In the ensuing barrage, one shot struck the window of a house, another a window at an AirTrain platform, injuring two Port Authority police officers with flying glass. It appeared that the Altima was struck by 21 shots, fewer than half of the number fired, the police said.

The whole thing most likely took less than a minute. The officer who fired 31 times could have done so in fewer than 20 seconds, with the act of reloading taking less than one second, Mr. Cerar said. The 49 shots that followed the undercover detective???s first may have been contagious shooting, said one former police official who insisted on anonymity because the investigation is continuing.

???He shoots, and you shoot, and the assumption is he has a good reason for shooting. You saw it in Diallo. You see it in a lot of shootings,??? the official said. ???You just chime in. I don???t mean the term loosely. But you see your partner, and your reflexes take over.???

The phenomenon of officers??? firing dozens of shots at a time dates back in part to 1993 and the department???s switch from six-shot .38-caliber revolvers, cumbersome to reload, to semiautomatic pistols that hold 15 rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber. The change, like any of its magnitude, followed years of studies and differences of opinion, and finally came into effect after the 1986 murder of a police officer, Scott Gadell, who was reloading his six-shooter when he was fatally shot.

Commissioner Kelly, during his first term in the office, in 1992 and 1993, ordered a switch to semiautomatics, but ordered the clips modified to hold only 10 rounds. That modification was later undone, prompting him, after Mr. Diallo???s shooting six years later, to speculate in a New York Times op-ed article, ???Now may be the time to re-impose it and to intensify training that teaches police officers to hold their fire until they know why they are shooting.???

Eugene O???Donnell, a professor of police studies at John Jay College, said a high number of shots fired underscores the threat the officers felt.

???The only reason to be shooting in New York City is that you or someone else is going to be killed and it???s going to be imminent,??? he said. ???It???s highly unlikely you fire a shot or two shots. You fire as many shots as you have to, to extinguish the threat. You don???t fire one round and say: ???Did I hit him? Is he hit???? ???

Mr. Cerar said, ???Until we have some substitute for a firearm, there will always be a situation where more rounds are fired than in other situations.???c
It is known in police parlance as ???contagious shooting??? ??? gunfire that spreads among officers who believe that they, or their colleagues, are facing a threat. It spreads like germs, like laughter, or fear. An officer fires, so his colleagues do, too.
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From top left, Robert Coombs, Stephon Donaldson and Dewan Seabrooks joined Nicole Paultre, bottom right, whose fianc?? was killed, and the Rev. Al Sharpton. The shooting happened early on Saturday, hours before Ms. Paultre was to wed the victim, Sean Bell.

The phenomenon appears to have happened last year, when eight officers fired 43 shots at an armed man in Queens, killing him. In July, three officers fired 26 shots at a pit bull that had bitten a chunk out of an officer???s leg in a Bronx apartment building. And there have been other episodes: in 1995, in the Bronx, officers fired 125 bullets during a bodega robbery, with one officer firing 45 rounds.

Just what happened on Saturday is still being investigated. Police experts, however, suggested in interviews yesterday that contagious shooting played a role in a fatal police shooting in Queens Saturday morning. According to the police account, five officers fired 50 shots at a bridegroom who, leaving his bachelor party at a strip club, twice drove his car into a minivan carrying plainclothes police officers investigating the club.

The bridegroom, Sean Bell, who was to be married hours later, was killed, and two of his friends were wounded, one critically.

To the layman, and to the loved ones of those who were shot, 50 shots seems a startlingly high number, especially since the men were found to be unarmed. And police experts concede that the number was high. Yet they also note that in those chaotic and frightening fractions of a second between quiet and gunfire, nothing is clear-cut, and blood is pumping furiously. Even 50 shots can be squeezed off in a matter of seconds.

???We can teach as much as we can,??? said John C. Cerar, a retired commander of the Police Department???s firearms training section. ???The fog of the moment happens. Different things happen that people don???t understand. Most people really believe what it???s like in television, that a police officer can take a gun and shoot someone out of the saddle.???

The five officers involved in the shooting were placed on administrative duty yesterday ??? without their guns ??? as the Police Department and the Queens district attorney investigated the circumstances surrounding the shooting, and relatives of Mr. Bell, joined by the Rev. Al Sharpton, staged a rally and a march to demand answers.

The officers have not yet been interviewed by police investigators or prosecutors to give their account.

Again and again, the focus of the day returned to the number of bullets that went flying.

One of the officers fired more than half the rounds, pausing to reload, and then emptying it again, 31 shots in all, according to the police. Another officer fired 11 shots. The others fired four shots, three shots and one shot apiece, the police said.

But it is the total number of shots that shook and angered the families of the men and community leaders. ???How many shots???? Mr. Sharpton asked yesterday, over and over, in a chant at a rally in a park near Mary Immaculate Hospital, where the wounded men were being treated. The crowd called back, ???Fifty!???

Statistically, the shooting is an aberration. The number of shots fired per officer who acted in the 112 shooting incidents this year, through Nov. 19, is 3.2, said Paul J. Browne, a department spokesman. Last year, that number was 3.7 shots fired per officer in 109 incidents. They are down from 4.6 in 2000 and 5.0 in 1995.

But shootings with high numbers of shots fired, however rare, call to mind dark events of the city???s past, like the 1999 killing of Gidone Busch, who was clutching a hammer when officers fired 12 times, and, most notably, the shooting of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed West African immigrant who died in a hail of 41 bullets, also in 1999.

In the 1995 Bronx bodega robbery in which officers fired 125 shots, the suspects did not fire back. ???They were shooting to the echo of their own g unfire,??? a former police official said at the time.

The shooting on Saturday unfolded in a flash. An undercover officer posted inside the Club Kalua, a site of frequent drug, weapon and prostitution complaints in Jamaica, overheard an exchange between a stripper and a man that led the officer to suspect the man was armed, Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly said on Saturday. The undercover officer alerted the officers acting as backup outside ??? there were seven officers in all ??? about 4 a.m., setting into motion the events to follow later.

Eight men left the club and argued briefly with another man, with one from the group saying, ???Yo, get my gun,??? Mr. Kelly said.

The eight men apparently split into two groups of four, with one group piling into a Nissan Altima driven by Mr. Bell, Commissioner Kelly said. As an undercover detective who had been following the group on foot approached the vehicle, Mr. Bell drove into him, striking his leg, before plowing into a minivan carrying two backup officers, the commissioner said.

The Altima reversed, mounting a sidewalk and hitting the lowered gate of a building before going forward and striking the van again. The officers opened fire, striking Mr. Bell, 23, twice, in the right arm and neck, Commissioner Kelly said. The critically wounded man, Joseph Guzman, 31, was struck 11 times, and the third man, Trent Benefield, 23, three times. Mr. Kelly said it was unclear whether there was a fourth man in the car and what became of him.
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A person familiar with the case who knows the detectives??? version of events said yesterday that it was Mr. Guzman who asked for his gun, and that the first undercover detective on foot clearly identified himself to the occupants of the car and, gun drawn, told them to get out. Instead, the person said, they roared toward him. That detective fired the first shot.

In the ensuing barrage, one shot struck the window of a house, another a window at an AirTrain platform, injuring two Port Authority police officers with flying glass. It appeared that the Altima was struck by 21 shots, fewer than half of the number fired, the police said.

The whole thing most likely took less than a minute. The officer who fired 31 times could have done so in fewer than 20 seconds, with the act of reloading taking less than one second, Mr. Cerar said. The 49 shots that followed the undercover detective???s first may have been contagious shooting, said one former police official who insisted on anonymity because the investigation is continuing.

???He shoots, and you shoot, and the assumption is he has a good reason for shooting. You saw it in Diallo. You see it in a lot of shootings,??? the official said. ???You just chime in. I don???t mean the term loosely. But you see your partner, and your reflexes take over.???

The phenomenon of officers??? firing dozens of shots at a time dates back in part to 1993 and the department???s switch from six-shot .38-caliber revolvers, cumbersome to reload, to semiautomatic pistols that hold 15 rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber. The change, like any of its magnitude, followed years of studies and differences of opinion, and finally came into effect after the 1986 murder of a police officer, Scott Gadell, who was reloading his six-shooter when he was fatally shot.

Commissioner Kelly, during his first term in the office, in 1992 and 1993, ordered a switch to semiautomatics, but ordered the clips modified to hold only 10 rounds. That modification was later undone, prompting him, after Mr. Diallo???s shooting six years later, to speculate in a New York Times op-ed article, ???Now may be the time to re-impose it and to intensify training that teaches police officers to hold their fire until they know why they are shooting.???

Eugene O???Donnell, a professor of police studies at John Jay College, said a high number of shots fired underscores the threat the officers felt.

???The only reason to be shooting in New York City is that you or someone else is going to be killed and it???s going to be imminent,??? he said. ???It???s highly unlikely you fire a shot or two shots. You fire as many shots as you have to, to extinguish the threat. You don???t fire one round and say: ???Did I hit him? Is he hit???? ???

Mr. Cerar said, ???Until we have some substitute for a firearm, there will always be a situation where more rounds are fired than in other situations.???

kala · November 2006

people call me a radical when i laugh at a news spot announcing "an NYPD officer was shot today .........'
good
keep shootin em lets hope they hit COMISSIONER KELLY or one of his KIDs one day

can anyone say
ousmane zongo?
anyone remember this poor guy?
while repairing instruments[musical] in a warehouse......
he was shot dead by a pig in a POSTAL UNIFORM-twice in the back
these undercover pigs were trying to stop a CD pirating operation
good work assholes
dude ran when a postman pulled a gun on him

thanks also goes out to the riaa on that one

the cop that killed ousmane zongo got off on 5 years parole...whooops sorry

what's next??
SWAT teams killing people and invading the wrong home to arrest a person who posts mp3s of Brittny ,Metallica,Dr Dre and Barney?

fucked pigs must die

hertzhog · November 2006

batmon · November 2006

people call me a radical when i laugh at a news spot announcing "an NYPD officer was shot today .........'
good
keep shootin em lets hope they hit COMISSIONER KELLY or one of his KIDs one day

can anyone say
ousmane zongo?
anyone remember this poor guy?
while repairing instruments[musical] in a warehouse......
he was shot dead by a pig in a POSTAL UNIFORM-twice in the back
these undercover pigs were trying to stop a CD pirating operation
good work assholes
dude ran when a postman pulled a gun on him

thanks also goes out to the riaa on that one

the cop that killed ousmane zongo got off on 5 years parole...whooops sorry

what's next??
SWAT teams killing people and invading the wrong home to arrest a person who posts mp3s of Brittny ,Metallica,Dr Dre and Barney?

fucked pigs must die

I understand your emotion dog, but that doesnt bring healing and justice to the scenario. Those newjacks fucked up big time and deserve the proper punishment.

The commish didnt cause those kids fuck up. Just sayin.

The_Non · November 2006

Here's my thing. I understand why police commissioners always rally around there dudes and say "not my dudes", "probable cause," etc. BUT it'd be nice JUST FUCKING ONCE[/b] for them to say "we're not sure what happened, we are investigating vigorously, deeply concerned, bla bla bla." That'd be a nice change of pace and show they are "fair and balanced."

kala · November 2006

look batmon
i know you know whats up
but at this point how can you defend kelly?
what good has he done?
this dude has blinders on like the president
and when was the last time NYPD did anything POSITIVE in your neck o the woods?
most of the cops are from outside the city or the 5 boros
like fom PUTNAM/WESTCHESTER or Long Island
I have been beat down by POLICE hence my tude
after amadou,zongo,louima,and now bell why is KELLy still in charge
and what about those sqeegee guys that got merked and the kid who got shot on xmas day with the 3 muskateers bar in his hand -in washingtin hts-remember that one?
who is more brutal than NYPD
LAPD and PittsBURGH and CINNcinatti and................

Calling the 50 shots fired by officers "unacceptable," Mayor Michael Bloomberg vowed Monday to ensure the city conducts a thorough investigation into the fatal police shooting this weekend of a groom on his wedding day.

Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly met with elected officials and religious leaders at City Hall Monday to discuss the Saturday morning shooting. Many of the participants said the meeting went well, but others remain outraged at the actions of police officers.

"We said to the mayor: 'We understand the crime problem, we understand because many of our communities have the worst crime problems," said Reverend Al Sharpton. "But imagine, Mr. Mayor, living in a city where you have to worry about the cops and the robbers, some people have to worry about the robbers, we have to worry about both."

Bloomberg stressed that the investigation into the early-morning shooting of 23-year-old Sean Bell and his two friends outside of a Jamaica strip club is ongoing and that it's still too early to draw any definitive conclusions.

Bell was killed in a hail of bullets fired by plain clothes police officers while he was in his car leaving his bachelor party the morning of his wedding. Suspecting that one of the men in the car had a gun, police fired 50 rounds into Bell's vehicle. Bell and two passengers, Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, were later found to be unarmed. Police are investigating if a fourth person fled.

"It is to me unacceptable or inexplicable how you can have 50-odd shots fired, but that's up for the investigation to find out," said the mayor at a press conference following the meeting.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said the confrontation stemmed from an undercover operation by seven officers investigating the club. The five police officers who fired shots have been placed on administrative duty and have turned in their weapons. Two officers did not fire their weapons during the incident.

Kelly said that, according to witness accounts, police opened fire after Bell's car struck an undercover officer and an unmarked police minivan.

Bloomberg and Kelly both indicated that NYPD policy prohibits shooting at moving vehicles, "unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle."

The commissioner said that it was the first time any of the officers, all of whom carried 9 mm handguns, had been involved in a shooting.

The mayor was steadfast in his support of Kelly, despite calls by some leaders for the commissioner's resignation.

"I have complete confidence in our police commissioner. He will be the police commissioner for the rest of my term," he said. "I think he is the best police commissioner that this city has ever had, and I think he has done a masterful job in training and diversifying our police department."

Bloomberg urged Queens District Attorney Richard Brown to proceed with his investigation into the matter as quickly as possible. Brown met with his investigators to review evidence Monday with the aim of getting the case before a grand jury sometime within the next week.

The D.A. is also planning on meeting with the victim's family and Reverend Sharpton.

Overnight, Bell's fianc??e Nicole Paultre lit a candle and prayed at a vigil in his honor. Friends say she was so grief-stricken she could barely stand. She later expressed anger at the police in an interview on Power 105's morning show.

"First I would start by not referring to them as officers, they are murderers. They are murderers. They are not officers," said Paultre. "No one gives anybody the right to kill somebody, to take someone's life. They don't know what they've done. What pain they've caused to this family. To my kids."

Bell leaves behind two young children.

Demonstrators took to the streets of Queens Sunday to protest Bell's shooting.

Hundreds gathered for a vigil and rally outside the hospital where Bell's two friends are still recovering from their gunshot wounds. Guzman remains hospitalized in critical condition. Benefield is listed as stable.

They called for an immediate investigation into Saturday's incident, with some community leaders calling for the officers involved to be suspended and for the black community to get involved.

"I am fed up. I am not asking my people to do anything passive anymore," said Brooklyn City Councilman Charles Barron. "We're going to sit here and we're going to go in there. We're going to pray. We're going to march. We're going to do all of that stuff and then we're going to sit down. And then if they don't respond to none of that, then don't ask us to ask our people to be peaceful while they are being murdered. We are not the only ones that can bleed."

"This young man was doing the right thing. He was going to marry the mother of his children. Now she has to raise those children by herself," said Reverend Al Sharpton. "But she has a community that will stand with her and stand with these children and stand with the parents."

The group 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement is calling for immediate changes in the NYPD and their community relations.

"Our organization has taken a vote of no confidence for Commissioner Kelly, who has put his head in the sand regarding issues of ever growing police brutality and misconduct in New York," said Noel Leader of 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement.

The group also wants the policies of the Organized Crime Control Bureau to be reviewed.

For more on the story, tune in to NY1's "Inside City Hall" tonight. Police commissioner Ray Kelly, Deputy Mayor Dennis Walcott, Incoming State Senate Minority Leader Malcolm Smith and City Councilman Charles Barron are the guests and will discuss the case.

batmon · November 2006

So Getting rid of Kelly or his children is gonna change the NYPD's profile culture?

I'm not defending Kelly or the NYPD. But after the FUCK THE POLICE yammering what can u do to really fortify the community against brutality & racism.

Are u really down for WAR! What?

Come w/ a real plan after your natural reactions settle down. You cant think st8 when your angry.

Angela Davis said we should embrace our RAGE. I totally agree, but I'd prefer to fight like ALI than TYSON.

kala · November 2006

So Getting rid of Kelly or his children is gonna change the NYPD's profile culture?

I'm not defending Kelly or the NYPD. But after the FUCK THE POLICE yammering what can u do to really fortify the community against brutality & racism.

Are u really down for WAR! What?

Come w/ a real plan after your natural reactions settle down. You cant think st8 when your angry.

Angela Davis said we should embrace our RAGE. I totally agree, but I'd prefer to fight like ALI than TYSON.

yeah bro I know
i am a reactionary dude, i failed scientology,would i really want that bad stuff to to happen
no,,,,,,,,but
at what point does enough become too much?
how can they keep doing this shit and never really pay for it
how many more shit sandwiches we gotta eat
there is no reasoning with them'they are a crime posse of the highest order

fuck

batmon · November 2006

Dont let the media fire up your emotions. They sell this RACE shit for cats to be bamboozled and act crazy. This shit happens on the daily(GLOBALLY).

VENT dog.

Big_Stacks · November 2006

look batmon
i know you know whats up
but at this point how can you defend kelly?
what good has he done?
this dude has blinders on like the president
and when was the last time NYPD did anything POSITIVE in your neck o the woods?
most of the cops are from outside the city or the 5 boros
like fom PUTNAM/WESTCHESTER or Long Island
I have been beat down by POLICE hence my tude
after amadou,zongo,louima,and now bell why is KELLy still in charge
and what about those sqeegee guys that got merked and the kid who got shot on xmas day with the 3 muskateers bar in his hand -in washingtin hts-remember that one?
who is more brutal than NYPD
LAPD and PittsBURGH and CINNcinatti and................

Calling the 50 shots fired by officers "unacceptable," Mayor Michael Bloomberg vowed Monday to ensure the city conducts a thorough investigation into the fatal police shooting this weekend of a groom on his wedding day.

Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly met with elected officials and religious leaders at City Hall Monday to discuss the Saturday morning shooting. Many of the participants said the meeting went well, but others remain outraged at the actions of police officers.

"We said to the mayor: 'We understand the crime problem, we understand because many of our communities have the worst crime problems," said Reverend Al Sharpton. "But imagine, Mr. Mayor, living in a city where you have to worry about the cops and the robbers, some people have to worry about the robbers, we have to worry about both."

Bloomberg stressed that the investigation into the early-morning shooting of 23-year-old Sean Bell and his two friends outside of a Jamaica strip club is ongoing and that it's still too early to draw any definitive conclusions.

Bell was killed in a hail of bullets fired by plain clothes police officers while he was in his car leaving his bachelor party the morning of his wedding. Suspecting that one of the men in the car had a gun, police fired 50 rounds into Bell's vehicle. Bell and two passengers, Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, were later found to be unarmed. Police are investigating if a fourth person fled.

"It is to me unacceptable or inexplicable how you can have 50-odd shots fired, but that's up for the investigation to find out," said the mayor at a press conference following the meeting.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said the confrontation stemmed from an undercover operation by seven officers investigating the club. The five police officers who fired shots have been placed on administrative duty and have turned in their weapons. Two officers did not fire their weapons during the incident.

Kelly said that, according to witness accounts, police opened fire after Bell's car struck an undercover officer and an unmarked police minivan.

Bloomberg and Kelly both indicated that NYPD policy prohibits shooting at moving vehicles, "unless deadly force is being used against the police officers or another person present, by means other than a moving vehicle."

The commissioner said that it was the first time any of the officers, all of whom carried 9 mm handguns, had been involved in a shooting.

The mayor was steadfast in his support of Kelly, despite calls by some leaders for the commissioner's resignation.

"I have complete confidence in our police commissioner. He will be the police commissioner for the rest of my term," he said. "I think he is the best police commissioner that this city has ever had, and I think he has done a masterful job in training and diversifying our police department."

Bloomberg urged Queens District Attorney Richard Brown to proceed with his investigation into the matter as quickly as possible. Brown met with his investigators to review evidence Monday with the aim of getting the case before a grand jury sometime within the next week.

The D.A. is also planning on meeting with the victim's family and Reverend Sharpton.

Overnight, Bell's fianc??e Nicole Paultre lit a candle and prayed at a vigil in his honor. Friends say she was so grief-stricken she could barely stand. She later expressed anger at the police in an interview on Power 105's morning show.

"First I would start by not referring to them as officers, they are murderers. They are murderers. They are not officers," said Paultre. "No one gives anybody the right to kill somebody, to take someone's life. They don't know what they've done. What pain they've caused to this family. To my kids."

Bell leaves behind two young children.

Demonstrators took to the streets of Queens Sunday to protest Bell's shooting.

Hundreds gathered for a vigil and rally outside the hospital where Bell's two friends are still recovering from their gunshot wounds. Guzman remains hospitalized in critical condition. Benefield is listed as stable.

They called for an immediate investigation into Saturday's incident, with some community leaders calling for the officers involved to be suspended and for the black community to get involved.

"I am fed up. I am not asking my people to do anything passive anymore," said Brooklyn City Councilman Charles Barron. "We're going to sit here and we're going to go in there. We're going to pray. We're going to march. We're going to do all of that stuff and then we're going to sit down. And then if they don't respond to none of that, then don't ask us to ask our people to be peaceful while they are being murdered. We are not the only ones that can bleed."

"This young man was doing the right thing. He was going to marry the mother of his children. Now she has to raise those children by herself," said Reverend Al Sharpton. "But she has a community that will stand with her and stand with these children and stand with the parents."

The group 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement is calling for immediate changes in the NYPD and their community relations.

"Our organization has taken a vote of no confidence for Commissioner Kelly, who has put his head in the sand regarding issues of ever growing police brutality and misconduct in New York," said Noel Leader of 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement.

The group also wants the policies of the Organized Crime Control Bureau to be reviewed.

For more on the story, tune in to NY1's "Inside City Hall" tonight. Police commissioner Ray Kelly, Deputy Mayor Dennis Walcott, Incoming State Senate Minority Leader Malcolm Smith and City Councilman Charles Barron are the guests and will discuss the case.

Shiiiiit, Milwaukee PD shoots up niggas like Officer McKinney. I don't sleep when I'm out after dark, and my wife is scared for my return. Shit is real!!!

Peace,

Big Stacks from Kakalak

magnetic · November 2006

This shit happens on the daily(GLOBALLY).

No doubt,what they do here is shoot you put you in the back of the trunk drive around with you for couple hours or stop off at a bar have a couple of drinks while in uniform and then drop you off at the hospital dead.But i think thats only reserved for the gunmen that gave them the most trouble catching.
Please to refer to what Amnesty International has to say about our human rights violations.

Ex-Boyfriend · November 2006

people call me a radical when i laugh at a news spot announcing "an NYPD officer was shot today .........'
good
keep shootin em lets hope they hit COMISSIONER KELLY or one of his KIDs one day

can anyone say
ousmane zongo?
anyone remember this poor guy?
while repairing instruments[musical] in a warehouse......
he was shot dead by a pig in a POSTAL UNIFORM-twice in the back
these undercover pigs were trying to stop a CD pirating operation
good work assholes
dude ran when a postman pulled a gun on him

thanks also goes out to the riaa on that one

the cop that killed ousmane zongo got off on 5 years parole...whooops sorry

what's next??
SWAT teams killing people and invading the wrong home to arrest a person who posts mp3s of Brittny ,Metallica,Dr Dre and Barney?

fucked pigs must die

I doubt they call you a radical. More likely a poser or loudmouth prick. Im begging for you to try and back up any of the shit youre talking.

Young_Phonics · November 2006

More likely a poser or loudmouth prick. Im begging for you to try and back up any of the shit youre talking.

Jazzsucka · November 2006

Yeah, I read about this in my local newspaper this morning. It's business as usual in the American Nightmare. Don't let this shit get you down people!

And just for the record, it's not like this everywhere in the world.

kala · November 2006

people call me a radical when i laugh at a news spot announcing "an NYPD officer was shot today .........'
good
keep shootin em lets hope they hit COMISSIONER KELLY or one of his KIDs one day

can anyone say
ousmane zongo?
anyone remember this poor guy?
while repairing instruments[musical] in a warehouse......
he was shot dead by a pig in a POSTAL UNIFORM-twice in the back
these undercover pigs were trying to stop a CD pirating operation
good work assholes
dude ran when a postman pulled a gun on him

thanks also goes out to the riaa on that one

the cop that killed ousmane zongo got off on 5 years parole...whooops sorry

what's next??
SWAT teams killing people and invading the wrong home to arrest a person who posts mp3s of Brittny ,Metallica,Dr Dre and Barney?

fucked pigs must die

I doubt they call you a radical. More likely a poser or loudmouth prick. Im begging for you to try and back up any of the shit youre talking.

hey dolosckkkum
eat a bag of dead cop dicks little automaton
from wickki
now please little disconnected broken unfixable toy
shut the fuck up

Ousmane Zongo was an African arts trader from Burkina Faso living in New York City. He was shot and killed by New York City Police Department officers while unarmed in a chance run-in with police during a warehouse raid on May 22, 2003.

Police had targeted the Manhattan storage facility while investigating a CD and DVD pirating operation. Zongo repaired art and musical instruments at the same location but was never linked to the pirating scheme. The shooter, officer Bryan Conroy, was disguised as a postal worker. He was guarding a bin of CDs when Zongo appeared to turn on a light. For some reason a chase ensued that ended when Zongo ran into a dead end. Conroy shot Zongo four times, twice in the back. The New York City Police Department later admitted Zongo had nothing to do with counterfeiters. Prosecutors contended that Zongo ran from Conroy because he was frightened and confused when Conroy, who was not in police uniform, drew his weapon.

The case drew parallels to that of Amadou Diallo, an unarmed immigrant from Guinea who was mistakenly shot and killed by New York City Police Department officers in the Bronx in 1999. Al Sharpton led protests against alleged police brutality and racial profiling and was involved in getting Zongo's family from Burkina Faso to attend court proceedings.

Zongo's family filed a wrongful death suit and were awarded US$3 million. Conroy did not receive any jail time but was convicted of criminally negligent homicide and was given five years probation.

kala · November 2006

November 4, 1997
Marshal wounds kid when he reportedly mistakes candy bar for gun
Chris Olert, Associated Press

NEW YORK - A federal marshal shot a teenager walking down the street eating a Three Musketeers candy bar after reportedly mistaking the silver wrapper for a gun.

Andre Burgess, a high school soccer star, was in fair condition with a leg wound Saturday at Jamaica Hospital.

"It's sick," Burgess, 17, said from his hospital bed. "You can't even walk down the street and eat a candy bar anymore."

The Queens district attorney and the U.S. Marshals Service are investigating the shooting, representatives of each agency said on Saturday.

"This whole thing happened without a provocation," said Burgess' lawyer, David Godosky. "Mr. Burgess is totally a victim in this case."

Deputy U.S. Marshal William Cannon, a five-year veteran assigned to the Newark, N.J., office, was put on leave with pay after the shooting, marshal Service spokesman Dave Branham said Saturday in an interview from Washington. The Marshals Service wouldn't discuss other details.

Published reports said Cannon was part of a federal task force hunting for a fugitive from a 1982 shooting of a customs agent when the teenager passed by the investigators Thursday night.

Burgess walked past the marshal's car with the candy bar in his hands, and Cannon shot him once in the leg, believing the teenager was carrying a weapon, according to published reports.

"He didn't give me a chance to react," Burgess said. "I turned to see what was up, and boom, I'm hit and fell to the ground."

Burgess claimed the marshals left him handcuffed on the ground bleeding after the shooting.

'I'm laying there bleeding, waiting to go to the hospital, and he's shaking hands with the other cops, or agents, who whatever they were," Burgess told the New York Times.

Burgess, the goalkeeper of the Hillcrest High School soccer team, is worried that the injury may affect his chance to play in college. The shooting has already knocked him out of the playoffs.

His coach, Howard Warhaftig, said it would "be nice if they said they were sorry."

noz · November 2006

i failed scientology

The_Non · November 2006

I'm also SOOOOOOOOOO sick of some British ponce telling Americans what it is and what it isn't in America.
Dolo, talk about records you fucking jackass.

SkullLab · November 2006

let's lose the guns.

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I'm SOOO Sick of This F*$!#%!%^! Bullshit!! NRR

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