The Professional DJ
DeeRock
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This dj thing is wired, I went from having NO gigs at all a few months back to having too many now! I'm turning spots down etc. I can't complain because I would rather be working too much then not at all. I'm gonna quit in the next few years though. So I have been thinking about Career djs that don't work for radio or own their own marketing firm. What do you have or what can you do when retired etc. There needs to be health ins. etc. just like any other workplace. I want to form a dj union to see we all get paid right and have ins. savings plans etc. I know Chris Lighty is doing something similar to this but it is for a small core group of djs. I'm talking about the united states and really making it a real union and making it work. Any dj playing in a club, etc. would have to be in the union. It would be tough to start but what do you guys think? Most djs get paid under the table so it's hard to proove income and you don't get taxed. There just needs to be something done, it's a very overlooked profession and MOST people will say it doesn't take any talent at all and will compare it to Valet parking!
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AYO!
It seems like you could also help good hard working DJ's stayed employed and not get bumped out by Tommy Lee. What the heck did he play that night anyhow?????
I pay taxes right now on my DJ income. And I would totally support a DJ union... plus I don't mind being on the books if i'm gonna get a health plan.
word, Ive got impending carpel tunnel, a bad back and bad knees.
- 95% of djs are not "working djs" and therefore wouldnt want to pay union dues
- most djs who have day jobs do not report their dj income
- most djs have day jobs (see above)
- plus, on the flip side -> would bars/lounges/clubs have any incentive to enter into collective bargaining agreements with a dj union? probably not. because there are so many non-working skilled djs, a dj union would have very little bargaining power.
Good to see you're using your injury time off wisely, Kieth. I agree with all of this.
Well in theory if you had a place that employed multiple DJs, the DJs could vote in union representation and the employer would have no say so - they can't regulate unionization at all.
So they'd really need just 50% + 1 vote of the DJs to vote it in. I don't think it would be realistic though because there are few full time DJs, and the benefit to part time DJs would be marginal - slightly higher wages, maybe. But there is nothing to force the unionization of an industry, so there is no leverage - DJs fall out of the sky, and the DJs could picket all day and I'm sure there would be another to take their place. So, best bet, find an employer that employs multiple DJs and unionize that way. Even better, you could attempt to unionize the whole club.
On the flip though, with the temporary nature of clubs, there's probably nothing that I know of stopping them from legally shutting and down reopening as a new entity, thus starting the process over again.
So as an industry you're fucked, I'm sure part time DJs would prefer under the table wages to a quarter an hour raise on the books. And how many full time DJs are there in the US, like, 3?
no offense to any promotors. . .
Getting taxed at 40% of your income is not unique to musicians or entertainers; it's based on how much income you make as an individual. You probably have that figure in your head because a lot of athletes have referred to it.
It's not like investment bankers, attorneys, doctors, etc. get a tax break just because they weren't blessed with the ability to shuck and jive.
I think you'd have better luck getting a dishwashers' union off the ground.
- DJ "solely self-employed DJ & freelance designer since December and yes I report it all on my tax returns" Marco
I agree with Delay -- if there were some way to insure that Djs passed a certian minumum requirement to join a union, then it might, in theory, have power. Like the writers guild. They're crafty and powerful as hell.
But it wont work. Everybody will scab out for three drink tickets.
Any kind of "standard" would be way too esoteric. There's lots of great DJs that would be excluded simply because of some bullshit "requirement." I know good CD-only DJs, and good DJs that don't scratch.
When it comes right down to it, if you can rock a party, can get people in the door, or sometimes just show up when you're supposed to, then you've already beaten the fly-by-night DJs to the punch.
Conversely, if Mr. "Just Started DJing Yesterday" can pack the club to capacity while Mr. "I've Been DJing for 15 Years, Give Me Props" can't even get the dancefloor going, then you can't really blame the clubs for the decisions they make in favor of the newjacks.
thats usually when shit gets ugly, jealous cats being saying 'such and such' don't deserve to be in the panel, then go on and on about how biased shit is.
for prove? DJ battles. similar theory
REALEST TALK. That's the bottom line right there, folks.
I don't see this happening. Ever.
hahaha, yeah, i just dont think its gonna work yall.
We'll probably see a weed dealer's union or a union of unlicenced carpenters/plumbers before we see dj's get theirs. Its a good idea, though.
WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
you can write off records, cds, equipment, mix cd duplication costs, record bags & cases, shelves, a percentage of your rent (if you have a home studio or even just a room you keep your records in), a percentage of your utilities, travel expenses, car maintenance, etc.