Oxford Union Society: "Was 911 a Conspiracy"
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3 pages of thoughful, multi-sentence responses plaese. If you "stopped reading after..." then don't bother hitting reply. Thnx. I've always been a Lihopper and am skeptical of nextlevel Mihop theories of remote control this and that. But then again, they spent all that (black budget) money on Star Wars so maybe it was useful for some purpose or other. Either way, the US is undoubtedly the greatest myth creation machine since Homer went around shagging goatboys (no offense goatboy). Let's roll my ass. And anyone with half a free mind can see that the Anthrax attacks were a diversion op. I don't for a minute think that the truth will ever be established, the US first needs to learn what it did in Vietnam, but I think it will prove to be the event that shapes the next 200 years of life in the US. Where's Coleen Rowley these days?Press Release: Embargoed to Monday 23 JanuaryOxford Union Society: "Was 911 a Conspiracy"Today one of the world's most famous debating forums will consider the tabooquestion at the heart of the war on terror. Is the official Washington storyof the 911 attacks correct, or is 911 a myth created by Washington'smilitary industrial complex to justify a generation of lucrative wars? The Oxford Union has invited 911 sceptics David Shayler and Annie Machon,both ex-MI5 officers, Ian Henshall co-author of non-fiction best-seller 911Revealed, and risk analyst Bill Durodi?? to discuss whether the attacksoccurred in anything like the way the mainstream Washington newsorganisations claim.Ian Henshall said today:After the WMD fiasco, newsrooms have so far been unwilling to ask whetherthey were duped by their intelligence sources over 911 as well. So muchevidence has been seized by the US authorities and never made public that itis impossible to say for sure how the 911 attacks happened. There are nowseveral versions of the official story which stand in open conflict witheach other. Many believe the attacks were manipulated or allowed to succeedand quite a lot of evidence has leaked out to support this. Notesfor more details of this evening's forum and the Oxford Union contactdetails see http://www.oxford-union.org/termcard.php?PHPSESSID=babb6829c6917b573094c3304cc68e2eIan Henshall can be contacted on 01273 326862 daytime. His book 911 revealedco-authored with Rowland Morgan was given favourable reviews in the DailyMail and the Sunday Times, but although it is a non-fiction best-seller ithas so far been ignored by the mainstream broadcast media, despite theirlegal obligation to due impartiality.The official 911 story has never been tested in a court of law, whilecrucial evidence has been seized by the FBI and ferociously withheld fromthe media, and even from the families of the victims. The official 911Commission whas been denounced even by pro-war Republican Senators after itemerged last year that alleged 911 ringleader Mohammed Atta had been knownto the US authorities prior to 911, contrary to the assertions of theCommission's final report. Recently Senator Barbara Boxer stated that thetruth of the 911 attacks must be pursued wherever it leads.Since the 911 attacks internet sites, books and alternative news media havecriticised the official conspiracy theory which holds that the attacks werecarried out by a highly skilled terrist cell acting on the under the ordersof mastermind Osama Bin Laden. Some hold that the attacks were a Pentagonorganised hoax along the lines of the documented Pentagon 1960's planOperation Northwoods. This which would have used a drone aircraft to fake ashootdown of a passenger airliner over Cuba and create the pretext for a USinvasion. Most 911 sceptics however hold that elements in the US government took overone of Osama Bin Laden's many half-baked plans, made sure it worked andpossibly embellished it by a fake attack on the Pentagon's only unoccupiedsection or controlled demolitions of the three World Trade Centre buildings.They cite the anthrax attacks purporting to be from Al Qaeda whichheightened the war panic in 2001. The anthrax terror, aimed at Senators whowere questioning the 911 war plans, was quickly forgotten after being tracedto US biowarfare laboratories. 911 sceptics say it is absolutely predictable that with war looming againstIran and the Republicans facing meltdown in the midterms another fuzzyaudiotape should have emerged last week with new threats from Osama BinLaden, the man who US troops allowed to escape from Afghanistan. Even on CNNcommentators recently agreed that the language purporting to come from BinLaden is now quite different from his original statements. Software existswhich, given a sample of a voice, can generate new speech apparently spokenby the same person.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------All comment is written in a strictly personal capacity. >From Ian Henshall, co-author 911 Revealed, publisher of Crisis Newsletterand www.911dossier.co.uk. He is also proprietor of Coffee Plant(www.coffee.uk.com) and chair of INK, the trade organisation for the UKalternative print media (www.ink.uk.com). -----------------------------News Siteshttp://www.legitgov.org/ for US/UK politics and voter fraudshttp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ for neocon exposes and morehttp://www.freearabvoice.org/index.htm for Iraqi resistance reportshttp://www.uruknet.info/ for detailed reports from Iraqhttp://globalresearch.ca for global power politicshttp://officialconfusion.com for UK's 7/7 attackshttp://www.911truth.org 911 truth - political issueshttp://www.911wasalie.com 911 truth - physical issues
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Bogus is an inaccurate description. He worked for UK intelligence, just wasn't directly involved with a lot of the stuff he leaked.
Beginning in the 60's when people realized that our Government was capable of being covert and dishonest(Just like many other Governments whom we always looked down upon)a great distrust began to evolve. JFK apparently discussed some bizarre methods to kill Castro with the CIA and that may have been the beginning of conspiracy theory madness.
Now in 2006 there are a great amount of people who don't believe ANYTHING our Government reports and automatically look for lies and conspiracy theories in everything the Government is involved with.
This attitude is really what's behind the lunatic "Militias" that everyone has read about, setting up camps in places like Montana where they build compounds and stock weapons to protect themselves from their conspiracy driven paranoia.
There are conspiracy theories floating around out there on everything from The U.S. creating and infecting people with a laboratory created AIDS virus to the Levees being blown up during Katrina.
I don't believe everything our Government says, but I'm also not buying wild ass conspiracy theories like the two above mentioned ones, nor this particular 9/11 tale.
I wonder how the WTC bombing that took place during Clinton's watch fits into this particular theory and what theories would be being bantered about if indeed they had been successful in bringing down the Trade Center on their first attempt??
And where did that Peace Dividend go?
What about those put options on the airlines that were never claimed? That would be really interesting to find out.
What the fuck is going on with Galloway? Dude seemed to have a bit of street cred being anti-war with Iraq, but is now looking like the biggest joke.
Why would anyone do this to himself and his reputation?
But the Military industrial complex didn't plan or cover up the "conspiracy"? That could have only occured at the CIA/FBI level. There is no way they would take orders from Bush/Cheney on this kind of thing. Way too risky even if they believed in it. If you look at Watergate, it it instructive to note that the CIA/FBI didn't get involved in the cover up until after the break-ins. I hardly think Bush and crew could pull off an attack like this without CIA/FBI help. SO, it seems highly unlikely that the pres was involved in a pre-9/11 conspiracy.
I'm completely out of touch with UK reality TV pop culture (thank G!) but much as Galloway makes himself look foolish, lawsuits seem to be bouncing right off him. If you think US politicians get up to some immature shit in their spare time, the British lot take the biscuit (and don't ask where)
Dude, the exploding cigar scenario cracks me up. It's like death by Hitman Groucho Marx (not to be confused with Hitman Bret Hart, though having him kill Castro also seems pretty funny).
But anyway, I fully agree with this:
I really can't stand conspiracy theories. I think they ruin effective discourse and totally gum up the works so that a rational discussion is that much harder to have.
Still tho.. How will anyone take him seriously now? The cat meowing and all that other shit is messed up.
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Well, the conspiracy that needs to be proved first is Bin Laden and the 19 hijackers did it without any warning. You'd think Cheney would be all over that one.
I also think it unlikely that Bush was involved, ever. He's still not. He just wanted a war he could win, preferably Iraq. Cheney knows the deal though. CIA bigwigs have no reason to call him out even if they are angry at being played like fools before the events. Some will leak, but in case you missed it, there's been an info war going on all around us since Sept 12, 2001.
I really want to know more about the
I'm not looking for conspiracy theories, but men will do evil shit to cover up their own incompetance. Anything that happened after the NSA started tracking the flights could be construed as being part of a cover up. In short, they knew what was up as it was happening. Did they know it was going to happen like that ahead of time? Highly likely given the intelligence leaks. So why wheren't they on it like flies on shit? Remember Condi was due to give a Nat Sec speech that day but refuses to reveal the content. Blowback was a hot word right after the events, seems to have disappeared in favor of talk about the Islamofascist spectre.
This article is a relatively brief explanation of the movement to world government. Please take the time to consider it.
Last year was another instrumental year in the advance of world government. While most commentators will concentrate on popularized events, many will not discuss the latest steps taken to cement the final touches to a world governmental structure that has been in the making for the last 150 years or so. In order to understand the importance of 2005's global achievements in the march towards global governance which is the integration of the world's peoples, countries, and philosophies, we must briefly visit the past.
Let us re-count the 1913 birth of the U.S. tax code. Over the past 92 years, the burden of taxation has been shifted from the highest income tax to the middle class as income tax rates under Ronald Reagan dropped from 60% to 35%. That same year, the Federal Reserve Act was passed. What this meant is that a private corporation, the Federal Reserve, now manages the monetary and financial system of the United States of America. As such, they have greater power than our president and Congress as they control the banking system and the country's business cycle.
You will remember that the purpose of the Federal Reserve was to eliminate the ups and downs of the business cycle. However, the country has not experienced that as it appears that the Fed has embraced Joseph Schumpeter's theory of creative destruction which is based on the boom/bust business cycle (Joseph Schumpeter, Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy, 1942, p.83). Will the American people ever figure out that the reason why we cannot forgive ourselves the interest on the national debt is because we owe it to a private corporation and they want what the interest which Congress originally agreed to when they passed the Federal Reserve Act. If you want to know where they get their money to lend to our government-they print it!
Beginning in 1944, the walls between the nation-states began to fall as a new international infrastructure was set in place above the nation-states. One fine example of this was the United States signing in 1947 the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs which became the World Trade Organization in 1994. With the birth of the International Monetary Fund/World Bank, the financial and economic barriers fell, with the birth of the United Nations, the political barriers fell, with the birth of the World Trade Organization, the trade barriers fell, with the birth of the International Criminal Court, the legal barriers fell, and as a result of 9/11, military and intelligence barriers fell between the nation-states. Thus today, we are in a borderless world.
In 1971, President Richard Nixon, issued Executive Order No. 11647 which divided the United States into ten regions, each with its own administrator who then reports directly to the president. Described as "metro government" or "regional government", it decreases the lines of power and authority which centralizes all the decision-making in the White House. Today, Metro or Regional Government is alive and well as it is being given greater position not only in all of the new rebuilding of the new development plans being made public by Mississippi and New Orleans, but with many states trying to pass laws to consolidate the local, county, and village levels of government. Furthermore, our government has circumvented the power of the states by now taking the funds the states send them and re-distributing it to the metro or regional government instead! Many of the infrastructure needs such as transportation, waste, water, etc. are all on a "regional" basis.
In 1990, Prince Charles, Prince of Wales put together a new organization, the Prince of Wales International Business Leaders' Forum, with the purpose of setting up public-private partnerships-PPP between governments, business, and non-governmental organizations. Basically, public-private partnerships provide a way for corporations to become "co-managers" with government regarding the governance of the country. The Prince admitted in a speech while he was in the United States that he met with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan to see if business and government could work together. What came out of their discussions was the U.N. Global Compact.
Today, thousands of public-private partnerships are operating world-wide and are now commonplace. They include partnerships for schools, sewer systems, transportation, water, utilities, etc. In fact the proposed Trans Texas Corridor will be a PPP. At the 2002 World Summit for Sustainable Development, over 250 PPP's were formed-that activity was unprecedented. One is the Congo Basin Forest Partnership which involves 14 governments, including the U.S. and 8 African countries, 8 environmental groups like the World Wildlife Fund along with the American Forest and Paper Association which represents 200 companies. This partnership includes 74 million acres of land in Africa. Furthermore, there are dozens of these types of complex partnerships that the U.S. has entered into that include countries around the world.
In 1992, the UN held the "Rio Earth Summit" in which those attending, which numbered less than 30,000, agreed to Agenda 21 which is a complete reordering of the planet. It basically elevates the earth above the value of man as man's value is dependent on if he or she can produce. It basically says that the earth's resources need to be counted, controlled, and monitored for "future generations." Fifteen years later, every country in the world has changed how their government operates as sustainable development is carried out worldwide. One of the treaties encompassed in Agenda 21 is the UN Biological Diversity Treaty which says man has to be sequestered into "growth areas" so that the rest of the country can be put back for the purpose of re-wilding or allowing animals to roam freely.
In 2000, the United Nations was given an overhaul in which more power was given to the Secretary-General and the General Assembly. It was also given the ability to have its own rapid defense force. Furthermore, it was given the ability to raise its own finances through various schemes to be determined in the future. Lastly, the UN unveiled the Millennium Development Goals to reduce poverty, hunger, and disease worldwide which will demand new ways to find new sources of funds. With this background, we can now understand the events of 2005.
Since 9/11 which tore down the final barriers between the nation-states which were the intelligence and military barriers, the world has entered the "finishing stage." By this we are talking about finding ways to integrate the people of the world so that they are one and feel they have common concerns-or catastrophic occurrences which blend the peoples together as one. The people now have to be brought together as one people. The South Seas Tsunami did just that. The outpouring of aid from around the world was unprecedented. Even Presidents Bush and Clinton teamed up to raise monies. Schools, churches, the Boy Scouts, department stores, football teams, singers, actors, and famous people from across the U.S. raised monies.
The U.S. gave $1B in gifts and donations alone. At the 2005 World Economi c Forum, Sharon Stone put up $10,000 and challenged attendees to give money for the tsunami. Within minutes, she raised $1M. Interestingly enough, a number of the corporations of the Global Compact were there, even before governments could get aid to the devastated area. This global outpouring of compassion helped to solidify the people of the world. Then Hurricanes Katrina and Rita continued the compassionate response that only comes from the most sacred place a person has, the heart. Now it was time for other countries to come to the aid of America.
Since there are no longer any barriers between the nation-states, that means the poor, starving, and diseased of the world are everyone's responsibility, or so they would have us believe. The Fabian socialists would call this a transfer of wealth. At the 2004 Group of Eight meeting in Sea Island, Georgia and then at the 2005 World Economic Forum in January, French President Jacques Chirac called for a global tax for the poor. In Davos, he specified a tax on airline tickets. At the July, 2005 Group of Eight meeting in Scotland, it was high on the agenda for the heads of state with the French specifying the parameters. When I asked Chirac if there would be other kinds of global taxes if this was successful, he told me they had many other types planned. In fact, right before Christmas, the French Government passed a levy tax on airline tickets to generate $236M a year for health programs aimed at helping the world's poorest countries. Of course this measure was applauded by the United Nations as a creative way of raising money. Perhaps I should mention that this is the first time since the Roman Empire in the time of the birth of Jesus, that a global tax has been passed.
With regard to regionalism, while the U.S. has been divided up nationally, we are also part of a hemispheric free trade bloc known as the Free Trade Areas of the Americas-FTAA. While the FTAA will involve all 34 countries in this hemisphere, it is being implemented gradually. The North American Free Trade Area-NAFTA was passed in 1994 and in 2005, the Central American Free Trade Agreement-CAFTA was passed. Because of the opposition to this bill, Bush made a special trip to Capital Hill where he twisted arms by granting over 6,000 pork barrel promises which were funded by the Transportation Bill pass before the summer recess.
It should be noted that any type of regional government-either within the U.S. or within the hemisphere is government by appointed officials and not ELECTED officials. Just as the UN system is based on appointed officials, so too is regional government which is the extension of the UN form of government. In other words, the ability of the people to have a say will not be through elected officials but by APPOINTED officials. In Our Global Neighborhood, The Commission on Global Governance in 1995 wrote, "The UN must prepare for a time when regionalism becomes more ascendant worldwide, and even help the process." This brings us to the new actors that are now involved in governance.
The globalists do not like to refer to the new structure which is being birthed in the world as "world government." Instead, they prefer to call it "global governance." This term refers to all the new actors that are making their views known. In the past, at the United Nations General Assembly, only member-states made speeches during the General Assembly, but because of the rise of corporations through the Prince of Wales Business Leaders Forum, the International Chamber of Commerce and other international groups, business and non-governmental organizations now give presentations. Also, both of these groups freely lobby at the UN, at global conferences, and nationally.
Foundations have long been an actor on the international stage. Of the top 50 foundation in the United States in 2003, the Ford Foundation ranks No.2 in size at $10.6B, behind the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation at $26.8B. The total yearly giving of the top 50 foundations is well over $133.6B. Foundations play a very major role today in making and changing society and values. Rene Wormser wrote in 1958, "The influence of the foundation complex in internationalism has reach far into government, into the policymaking circles of Congress and into the State Department. This has been effected through the pressure of public opinion, mobilized by the instruments of the foundations" (Foundations-Their Power and Influence). The question asked by the Reece Committee which delved into the power of foundations was, "To what extent, if any, are the funds of the large foundations aiding and abetting Marxist tendencies in the United States and weakening the love which every American should have for his way of life?"
At the heart of Agenda 21 is sustainable development which supports "highest and best use" of the world's resources which includes you and me. As a result of Agenda 21's, Biological Diversity Treaty, man needs to be sequestered into growth areas. In 1997, the state of Maryland was the first to pass "Smart Growth" legislation which designates areas of growth that a state will allow in order to support those areas with infrastructure. Non-growth areas are those that will not be supported by the State with tax dollars for infrastructure. Maryland's Smart Growth legislation was in effect the passage of the UN Biological Diversity Treaty.
In 2005, personal property rights, the cornerstone of American civilization, were dealt a severe blow with the Supreme Court Kelo vs. New London ruling which says that the city had the right to use eminent domain to force highest and best use of property that would create jobs and increase tax revenue for the public good. Around the U.S., the use of eminent domain is gaining popularity. Now everyone's home and property is at risk.
In September, Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour brought together a team of 110 urban planners in architecture, regional and community planning, civil and transportation engineering, environmentalism, codes and laws, retail, economics, public process and communication who came together to envision and plan to rebuild 11 coastal cities and 120 miles of coastal region. Headed up by the Congress for New Urbanism, they are now in the process of obtaining community agreement for their plans. It should be noted that the "new urbanism" which the Congress uses is basically Smart Growth or the UN Biological Diversity Treaty. It encompasses a return to the town planning principles in practice before the automobile, recycling existing buildings and land where possible, promoting a sense of community, revitalizing historic downtowns and residential neighborhood, giving people the option of walking, bilking or taking public transportation, high density building, and sustainable transportation which is mass transit.
The New Urbanism encompasses the sustainable philosophy of highest and best use. Therefore, if there are key neighborhoods that can be rebuilt to attract businesses: hotels, office buildings, convention centers to bring in more tax revenues, those neighborhoods will be subject to eminent domain. The plans drawn up by the Congress for New Urbanism also use regional or metro government as well as public-private partnerships.
It should be noted that at every turn, working behind the scenes is Prince Charles. Not only has he been responsible for the implementation of sustainable development world wide, the establishment of public-private partnerships, but also he has supported the rise of the philosophies encompassed in the "New Urbanism." In this regard, he sent two of his key planners to help rebuild the New South. [To understand "Smart Growth and Sustainable Development you must see the video Liberty or Sustainable Development:]
In summary, 2005 moved us closer to world government. There is a continuing revolution over rights, values, property, and form of government. The barriers between the nation-states are gone and in its place is regionalism, supported by public-private-partnership-both ad vocate a structure change in government and hence, governance. There are new and powerful players that have and are changing societies norms. Transfer of wealth is now under the guise of disaster relief and airline taxes. In addition, our government is working on an "open skies" agreements with all the countries of the world.
Currently they are negotiating with the EU. This means that any airline that we sign the agreement with can fly into U.S. airports and it means that the U.S. would open up the ability of foreigners to purchase our airline companies. Furthermore, the rights of the individual are now filtered through the lenses of sustainable development's "highest and best use." Personal property rights are being diluted as a result of highest and best use. The bottom line is that a permanent revolution is taking place before our very eyes. Unless you connect the dots, you will not see it or understand it.
I love when people just dismiss conspiracy theories. WTF kind of thinking is that? That's like saying you "don't believe" in quantum mechanics because some parts are proven wrong. How can you say theories about 9/11 have "gummed up" discourse when they have been so obviously NOT ALLOWED into discourse?
Who's responsible for 9/11? I don't know. Very few people claim to have the answer to that one. There has been a heretofore unseen restraint to 9/11 theories, almost as if even the craziest of the crazies can see the need to try to stick only to the facts. Yes there are some crazy conspiracy theorists out there, and there will always be the folks whose idea of debate is to find one weak point from one lone nut, and attack that relentlessly as if that represents the crux of the question. But of course that isn't debate at all. You doubters would not win a debate over the question of Building 7, I can tell you that much.
I like the line that says if you believe in the official line on 9/11, you must believe in "coincidence theories."
I'm curious -- does anyone here still think Oswald acted alone?
^^^ Yah this one pisses me off.
Tons of research and investigation into the origins of AIDS has been performed, using supercomputers, etc. I caught a fascinating film that documents one theory (with primary sources interviewed, etc) called "The Origins of Aids." It was screened on Sundance, which bought and released it last year. It primarily focuses on the theory of Kaprowski's polio vaccine being tested using Chimp kidneys, processed and distributed on small communities in Africa:
http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,63424,00.html
Werd.
i'm not talkin bout terry nichols, mang
Interesting stuff, but it has a lot of basic facts wrong:
"(a) Executive Order No. 11647, as amended [formerly set out as a note under 31 U.S.C. 501], relating to Federal Regional Councils, is further amended by deleting ???The Federal Energy Administration??? in Section 1 (a)(10) and substituting ???The Department of Energy???, and by deleting ???The Deputy Administrator of the Federal Energy Administration??? in Section 3 (a)(10) and substituting ???The Deputy Secretary of Energy???."
Looks like Nixon just renamed a position in that one.
Ugh, now this is getting wacky. I think as most Brits will agree, Prince Charles is a goof who is hardly taken seriously, nor is he the mastermind behind every key global domination throwdown event.
Dude does run his own little efficient town of the future, which I thought was pretty dope, but other than that, uhhh, yeahhhh...sure.....
Interesting stuff. All of those "terrorist" scenarios turned out to be proposals. None was acted on. What the CIA ended up doing in Cuba was a much more conservative approah; Hiring Cuban ex-pats to invade at the Bay of Pigs. Yeah, all kinds of wacky shit gets discussed but usually, when it comes to the big agencies they go with what is safest for them.
What the hell is Bldg 7? Plaese to knwoledge drop.
If you really think the British royal family has no geopoitical sway, then you really need to do some more reading beyond tabloid journalism. Why do you think they're portrayed that way? Its so people write them off as antiquated whwen they're still one of the richest families on earth. Thats to say nothing of the descendants of other European royal families such as the Medicis or banking families like the Rothschilds. All these families figure prominently in Bilderberg events and the like. All I'm saying is that accepting the royals portrayal in the media at face value and using that portrayal as a justification for debunking alternate information is kind of laughable.
I know, I'm just saying. I'm sure they are all runnin' some schitt, but the dude seems to play a less prominent role.
Dude, we all know the Jews did it, don't worry.
Why don't I believe conspiracy theories? Because they're so often poorly written, badly argued, and factually suspect--just like the tripe above.
Don't get me wrong, he's like their George W., I just mean don't discount them as a whole. Money is everything, and they possess absolutely unfathomable amounts of it.