Are you talking about the publishing debacle between the two parties?
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
Jada sounds like he may have been at the Henny on the way over. I thought he was going to blow a bloodvessel at one point. I feel for D-Block, but it sounds to me like Puffy just tied them into one of those old-school 50/50 life-of-copyright deals, which nobody should ever sign. Elton John signed one of those back in the day, and publishing-wise he has no control over anything of his up until about 1974, I think. He still gets paid, but the publisher can use that shit in adverts, movies, TV, whatever, and Elton has no say over it. If Puffy is still getting half of D-Block's publishing, they're probably on the same kind of deal. They'd probably get paid quicker if they audited him (the label too), because I wouldn't mind betting he's under-accounted, because that's commonplace on better deals, nevr mind shiesty ones. If they're determined to get their publishing back completely, they could spend the rest of their lives doing it and still not succeed.
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
no matter what they record,puffy gets paid!is it fair?well maybe you should really read a contract!!!
Yeah, where were their lawyers on this one?
They'd have been much better off if they'd stuck it out on Bad Boy because they could have completed the contract a few years ago.
Maybe their lawyers were going for self, and The Lox just saw a big advance and were like, "Where do we sign"? Dealing with music industry lawyers - especially American ones - used to make my heart sink back when I was trying to hustle a career in A&R. I never dealt with a single one who wasn't preoccupied with getting a bigger advance, and therefore a bigger commission. Not suggesting they don't exist - just that I've never dealt with one. They never gave a fuck about rates, for instance. You could have a perfectly cordial relationship with the act you were trying to sign, but the moment the lawyers got involved, it was "the advance needs to be bigger", or "I hope you're not trying to fuck my client". Of course, when the time comes to renegotiate a shitty deal, that means more billable hours as well. Sayin'.
are they on a lifetime contract with Bad Boy's publishing company? or is this about publishing for that one album? if its just the one album then this is retarded, make some new music and get new money. chalk that old deal up to experience. a businessman exploited you - thats what they do, its their job. go indie if you're not down with that.
are they on a lifetime contract with Bad Boy's publishing company? or is this about publishing for that one album? if its just the one album then this is retarded, make some new music and get new money. chalk that old deal up to experience. a businessman exploited you - thats what they do, its their job. go indie if you're not down with that.
No, the problem is that the deal apparently applies to all of their future work.
I guess Puff is a skilled negotiator, he has executed some very beneficial deals. I'll give him props for his skill, but he is super shady. .. I like what Jada and P did there - only so much they can do legally, so they put Puff on blast.. being a good businessman means having a good reputation, and they made him look like a shady businessman in public.
True. They have been griping over that shit ever since they left Bad Boy. You would figure by how tough they talk, that they would have murked Puff by now.
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Jada sounds like he may have been at the Henny on the way over. I thought he was going to blow a bloodvessel at one point. I feel for D-Block, but it sounds to me like Puffy just tied them into one of those old-school 50/50 life-of-copyright deals, which nobody should ever sign. Elton John signed one of those back in the day, and publishing-wise he has no control over anything of his up until about 1974, I think. He still gets paid, but the publisher can use that shit in adverts, movies, TV, whatever, and Elton has no say over it. If Puffy is still getting half of D-Block's publishing, they're probably on the same kind of deal. They'd probably get paid quicker if they audited him (the label too), because I wouldn't mind betting he's under-accounted, because that's commonplace on better deals, nevr mind shiesty ones. If they're determined to get their publishing back completely, they could spend the rest of their lives doing it and still not succeed.
Yeah, where were their lawyers on this one?
They'd have been much better off if they'd stuck it out on Bad Boy because they could have completed the contract a few years ago.
http://www.ballerstatus.net/news/read/id/80525336/
I feel for Styles & Jadakiss, but yeah--they did this to themselves.
http://soulstrut.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=505582&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=7&fpart=1
Maybe their lawyers were going for self, and The Lox just saw a big advance and were like, "Where do we sign"? Dealing with music industry lawyers - especially American ones - used to make my heart sink back when I was trying to hustle a career in A&R. I never dealt with a single one who wasn't preoccupied with getting a bigger advance, and therefore a bigger commission. Not suggesting they don't exist - just that I've never dealt with one. They never gave a fuck about rates, for instance. You could have a perfectly cordial relationship with the act you were trying to sign, but the moment the lawyers got involved, it was "the advance needs to be bigger", or "I hope you're not trying to fuck my client". Of course, when the time comes to renegotiate a shitty deal, that means more billable hours as well. Sayin'.
No, the problem is that the deal apparently applies to all of their future work.
But just because they signed it shouldnt mean they are held to a fucked up deal. Puffy needs to let them go!
Hes got B.I.G.s publishing too. Paper gangster i guess, but he sounds like a huge dick.
With the level of emotion that Jada was displaying you would've thought it was so much worse.
Would they have to change their names?
(I have know knowledge on publishing what-so-ever, just curious.)