Black Panthers are a Negative violent organization
DocBeezy
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I am in class RIGHT NOW and was told that the Black panthers were a violent, hateful negative group that did nothing of value. I fought that like hell! Could have used the VanGuard Squad.I cant believe a "professor" would be so ignorant........well yes I can.
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We were discussing groups and how they interact. He listed "positive" and "negative" groups. I have no idea what he listed as positive. I was reading posts on soulstrut. But he listed negative groups in this order:
Taliban
Gangs
KKK
Black Panthers
He didnt have one. After myself and 2 others outlined many points about the Black Panthers he simply said "i did not know that, I was wrong"
for example. i used to follow a lot of earth first and alf actions and understood totally where they were coming from. looking back i don't think some of these actions helped the earth or animals. while in the short term it might seem to, over the long term it helps average people who don't see the whole situation write the activists off as violent, and negative belonging to marginalized organizations.
from many peoples perspective violence against violence is the only answer. this violence is seen as self-defense. i now prefer non-violent means to an end. but depending on the cause and the action i don't see activist violence as completely negative either.
"KILL THE PIGS!!"[/b]
Do the boyscouts got a free breakfast program for the poor?
they might, but i dont think they try to kill den mothers when they try to leave the troop
thats thier first mistake
Ask him about Hoover's planting of Black CIA operatives, the likes of which lead to the death of Fred Hampton, Bunchy Carter, and others. (COINTELPRO)
Ask him about the unjustified shooting of George Jackson, and the guard who told Mrs. Jackson, "we got one of your nigger sons, now we'll get the other." Then remind him of the death of Jonathan Jackson.
Ask him about the judge in the Seale trial of the Chicago 8.
Ask him about Carter's Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, whose bragged that the mujahideen was his idea.
Ask him about the US funding of the Taliban in resistance to the Soviet Union.
Ask him about Reagan's love for the Taliban, how he said they were ???defending principles of independence and freedom that form the basis of global security and stability.??? He even declared March 21st Afghanistan Day in honor of the
freedom fighterterrorists.Ask him about Clinton's Operation Infinite Reach which dropped bombs on al-Shifa, the pharmacuetical factory that supplied more than half the needed vaccines to the Sudanese people. The bombing -- which was later proven to be based on faulty information -- resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of Sudanese.
Ask him, if we're supposed to be positive, why the US (along with Israel) were the only countries to vote against UN General Assembly Resolution A/RES/42/159?
Ask him if he thinks the US policy of support of Turkey???s ethnic cleansing of its Kurdish population is "positive", cause our support killed more than the Black Panthers ever did.
Ask him if he can see the interconnectedness of US policy and the need for communities to resist, dissent, protest?
Then ask him to suck my ass.
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...
I guess you don't go to UCSC. Angela Davis would have none of that.
While they served a purpose, they were a militant group. Certainly not of MLK caliber.
Going over what he said:
Violent [ X ] check
Hateful [ X ] check
Negative [ X ] check
I don't see how you can't agree with the above three.
I wouldn't say they didn't do anything of value, but come the fuck on, they weren't the Girl Scouts. Get real.
The above may be true, and I think we can all agree the American government has as many fucktard moments as any group.
But that doesn't change the Black Panthers at all. They were still violent, hateful, etc.
I'm one of the first to try to demystify all the stuff around the Panthers but I gotta disagree a bit on the hateful claim. Yes, they hated the police, but they were one of the only, perhaps THE only black nationalist/power group not to hate on white people. They actively courted alliances with white groups, talked about how you need to unite all people if you wanted a socialist revolution, etc. Compare that to SNCC, which when it decided to go the black power route kicked out all of its white members.
Bzzt!
While in some cases this is accurate, if you characterized the BP as strictly "self defense" then that has to be the broadest adaptation of the word possible.
I'm not saying that it's not partially true; but their solution and platform was violence.
I may need to backtrack and do a little research but off the top of my head I wouldn't say they were not hateful.
No they were not neccasarily hateful, although some may misinterpret miliatnt to mean just that.
nowhere in their 10 point plan do they call for the hate or destruction of anything that is just.
I have made it a personal point to concentrate on the era of 1967-1980 which encompasses all the years the Black Panther party was running, and through my studies I feel I can safely say they had issues I would not place them, thier ideaology, or thier actions anywhere near those of the KKK or any of the other groups that professor bunched them with.
There is a wonderful book I once used as a text for a class called A New Day in Babylon that I'd recommend to anyone but specifically to that person who is in charge of "teaching" those that want to learn. Being in a postiion of power and spitting out misinformation is verty dangerous
regardless of what some of the devil's advocate, alien vagina supporting masses think... all i know is that when i'm shining up my shoes for the speech and debate tournament, i want er*c holding the flashcards.
I would also recommend "A Panther is a Black Cat" by Reginald Major, among other things.
Also, I feel that the aforementioned "hateful" and "negative" are very open to debate. What were their negative aspirations? I am also skeptical of hatefulness, at least as a group or any official stance. They did a lot of good, but certainly some bad as well.
all devil's advocate aside, can we at least agree that the panthers don't belong in the same category as the taliban and the KKK?
They were violent, but hateful is way too subjective. And even if they didn't "accomplish" anything (in the mind of this professor), they were very usefull as a means that brought a lot of conciousness to the minds of Americans at that time about problems African Americans were facing. Even if he disagrees with the tactics, he can't disagree with the fact it had a huge impact.
It sucks when all you can rely on when thinking about humanity is that kids grow up as "critical thinkers" and therefore the dumb shit that slips through a lot of professors' mouths doesn't get cemented in their minds... However, I don't think North American schooling does ANYTHING of value towards critical thinking.
Taken in Washington D.C. in 1961, it shows George LINCOLN ROCKWELL, head of the American Nazi Party, and his henchmen at a black Muslims rally.
The story goes that the Nation of Islam had a secret agreement with the American Nazi Party that they would divide America between them.
wasnt this their platform???
The Ten Point Plan
1. WE WANT FREEDOM. WE WANT POWER TO DETERMINE THE DESTINY OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES.
We believe that Black and oppressed people will not be free until we are able to determine our destinies in our own communities ourselves, by fully controlling all the institutions which exist in our communities.
2. WE WANT FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR OUR PEOPLE.
We believe that the federal government is responsible and obligated to give every person employment or a guaranteed income. We believe that if the American businessmen will not give full employment, then the technology and means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people and give a high standard of living.
3. WE WANT AN END TO THE ROBBERY BY THE CAPITALISTS OF OUR BLACK AND OPPRESSED COMMUNITIES.
We believe that this racist government has robbed us and now we are demanding the overdue debt of forty acres and two mules. Forty acres and two mules were promised 100 years ago as restitution for slave labor and mass murder of Black people. We will accept the payment in currency which will be distributed to our many communities. The American racist has taken part in the slaughter of our fifty million Black people. Therefore, we feel this is a modest demand that we make.
4. WE WANT DECENT HOUSING, FIT FOR THE SHELTER OF HUMAN BEINGS.
We believe that if the landlords will not give decent housing to our Black and oppressed communities, then housing and the land should be made into cooperatives so that the people in our communities, with government aid, can build and make decent housing for the people.
5. WE WANT DECENT EDUCATION FOR OUR PEOPLE THAT EXPOSES THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS DECADENT AMERICAN SOCIETY. WE WANT EDUCATION THAT TEACHES US OUR TRUE HISTORY AND OUR ROLE IN THE PRESENT-DAY SOCIETY.
We believe in an educational system that will give to our people a knowledge of the self. If you do not have knowledge of yourself and your position in the society and in the world, then you will have little chance to know anything else.
6. WE WANT COMPLETELY FREE HEALTH CARE FOR All BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE.
We believe that the government must provide, free of charge, for the people, health facilities which will not only treat our illnesses, most of which have come about as a result of our oppression, but which will also develop preventive medical programs to guarantee our future survival. We believe that mass health education and research programs must be developed to give all Black and oppressed people access to advanced scientific and medical information, so we may provide our selves with proper medical attention and care.
7. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER OF BLACK PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, All OPPRESSED PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES.
We believe that the racist and fascist government of the United States uses its domestic enforcement agencies to carry out its program of oppression against black people, other people of color and poor people inside the united States. We believe it is our right, therefore, to defend ourselves against such armed forces and that all Black and oppressed people should be armed for self defense of our homes and communities against these fascist police forces.
8. WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO ALL WARS OF AGGRESSION.
We believe that the various conflicts which exist around the world stem directly from the aggressive desire of the United States ruling circle and government to force its domination upon the oppressed people of the world. We believe that if the United States government or its lackeys do not cease these aggressive wars it is the right of the people to defend themselves by any means necessary against their aggressors.
9. WE WANT FREEDOM FOR ALL BLACK AND OPPRESSED PEOPLE NOW HELD IN U. S. FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY, CITY AND MILITARY PRISONS AND JAILS. WE WANT TRIALS BY A JURY OF PEERS FOR All PERSONS CHARGED WITH SO-CALLED CRIMES UNDER THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY.
We believe that the many Black and poor oppressed people now held in United States prisons and jails have not received fair and impartial trials under a racist and fascist judicial system and should be free from incarceration. We believe in the ultimate elimination of all wretched, inhuman penal institutions, because the masses of men and women imprisoned inside the United States or by the United States military are the victims of oppressive conditions which are the real cause of their imprisonment. We believe that when persons are brought to trial they must be guaranteed, by the United States, juries of their peers, attorneys of their choice and freedom from imprisonment while awaiting trial.
10. WE WANT LAND, BREAD, HOUSING, EDUCATION, CLOTHING, JUSTICE, PEACE AND PEOPLE'S COMMUNITY CONTROL OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience hath shown that mankind are most disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpation, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.