State of Record Collecting 2015
RAJ
tenacious local 7,779 Posts
I was just at one of the Record City locations in Vegas and the clerk apologized for not having any "good records" as soon as I walked in the door. He profiled me by how old I looked and started saying how good records tended to stay in the shop longer 10 years ago.
He proceeded to tell me that he thinks we're in the middle of a vinyl bubble where all these hipsters buying $30 180 gram presses will be dumping them in a year or two (on some Comic Book / Baseball Card shit).
I've noticed people paying INSANE prices for clean common rock records... What used to be dollar bin fodder is $15-$25. Fuck... people paying $40 for Buckingham Nicks.
Just trying to wrap my head around all this shit as I start to buy records again after a 5 year hiatus.
Thoughts?
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He proceeded to tell me that he thinks we're in the middle of a vinyl bubble where all these hipsters buying $30 180 gram presses will be dumping them in a year or two (on some Comic Book / Baseball Card shit).
I've noticed people paying INSANE prices for clean common rock records... What used to be dollar bin fodder is $15-$25. Fuck... people paying $40 for Buckingham Nicks.
Just trying to wrap my head around all this shit as I start to buy records again after a 5 year hiatus.
Thoughts?
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tldr version, in a Lahndun accent, [em]"vinyl's a young man's game"[/em]
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My guess is, because current 180gm vinyl is expensive, and limited, in the future good titles and good pressings will hold their value.
I'm selling lots of common rock records for good prices.
Condition is important.
I think we are in a classic rock bubble and the value of Rumors will come back down to earth.
Just like Bob James 2.
The secret is always the same.
Buy what you like, don't worry about trends.
I would like to know.
full disclosure: i still listen to "rumors" every few months, i think it is essential but seriously basic. i thought by the time everyone was through high school they had already digested all the "rock classics" (led zep, the doors, hendrix, stones etc.)...
i agree that this all goes the way of sports cards, etc. in the next 12 months. 180 gram deadstock gold!!!!
I'll post ill shit from time to time, and it's straight crickets other than the 1 or 2 essential heads who know the transaction.
He told us he'd seen Human League's "Dare" and such in his sisters collection, and we would shake our heads in mock disbelief; "Naah, no-one has that - it was never officially released etc."
Youth would regularly bring in such "Mythical Raers" for us to faux-coo over while one of the other lads would stand behind him doing "Dickhead" signs.
He's probably retired in Spain off the back of Iron Maiden chud now.
WMIC
I can't explain the [em]why[/em] part, but I remember about 5 years ago it seemed every girl in her mid-20s who lived in the hipsteur enclaves of Brooklyn developed an unexplained obsession for all things Stevie Nicks related. They would never stop talking about it. Girls who didn't know each other would bond over their love of that video where she's dressed as a witch or whatever. Entire wardrobes were bought based on Stevie's mid-80s sartorial stylings. It only makes sense that they're now discovering Fleetwood Mac.
I've seen a similar thing here in Brazil, where people in their early to mid-20s are getting into records and buying what they consider to be "classic" LPs, which to them is mainly shitty early 80s brazilian rock that can be easily bought for pocket change if you're willing to look for it but, since they're not, it means they pay a premium for chud that has been gathering dust and mold for almost three decades.
they buy cheap from knowledgable and sell back to newbies
there is a waxi thread about best normal/common records that sell out in stores
this store owner guy was frantically telling me to hook him up with anyone with common rock
With the vinyl revival everyone is starting out and will be excited about whats going on and think that clean all green is a grail..the musical value is wotrth 40$ but market wise its a scam
these reissues are even more dangerous because people dont realise that you go to a spot and look for a record instead they ask do you have this and its given to them on a silver platter 27.99
http://www.discogs.com/seller/ostblock/profile?sort=price,desc&limit=250
http://www.discogs.com/seller/claudiasz/profile?sort=price,desc&limit=250
My guess is "Dreams" sounds INCREDIBLE played on vinyl. The groove is deep and warm. My uncle played it for me when I was a kid and blew my mind. A dude on soul strut who works for a speaker company demo'd a $60,000 speaker system for me.... His go to... "Dreams".
Also, and I'm not sure about everyone else's local hoods, but the late 80s/early 90s styles are back with a fierceness in Brooklyn, and Stevie Nicks was on last season of American Horror Show.
So basically, you got a lot of milquetoast folks with mediocre tastes who chase trends that are now into vinyl, and have no idea how much these records are worth, and the sellers are willing to price gouge them.
That's my theory anyways.
EDIT: and as PCMR said, people are willing to pay for convenience, in this case not spending time getting their fingers dusty.
^pretty accurate. so now a sharp copy of a classic rock record is worth the equivalent of what a crappy jazz fusion record with a 10 second loop was worth 10-15 years ago. Things change.
I continue to find great music I didn't know about, there's still lots of stuff that can be had at fair prices that will accrue if you know what/how to buy. However, good clean titles across all genres if priced well fucking FLY (not just classic rock) so you either gotta stop in frequently or get lucky or compete online. And there are no secrets anymore.
Rumours for $20 is trash but some stuff is trending high for a reason. I look at a shit ton of records day in and day out, finding NM orig copies of 60s rock canon shit is not as easy as it used to be.
Rumors like Dark Side Of The Moon and Thriller are almost impossible to keep in stock.
Doesn't matter they sold combined 2.7 trillion copies.
"This is one hundred and eighty fucking grams! That's the most grams you can find!"
but did he demo the system using a [em]HOT STAMPER[/em] copy of Rumors? If he didn't, that system probably only sounded $30,000 good, not $60,000 good.
MOST of the Record Store Day shit is penultimate comic book steez. Nobody will give a rip in a few years about special pressings of common rock records with tye-dye colored vinyl. There are some exceptions like the Now Again JBs record... also thought the Diplo Florida re-ish and the Breaking Bad colored vinyl was cool.
Anything that says "Collectors Edition" is not collectible.
In the beginning there were some very limited pressings of in demand recordings.
Today the pressing runs are limited to the # they think they can sell.
Third Man records might hold their value. Almost a different market.
Bing bang boom. It's just so much chud, and if you really want it, you can scoop it up on eBay for cheap a few months after the fact.
Karlito!!??
Try to find anything that old in good shape, especially something that was used/played/partied to. By stoned ass teenagers nonetheless.
Yeah, I literally get clean Rumours in every day, but finding a clean DSOTM is not anywhere near as easy as it used to be.
I saw this guys listings earlier today and immediately thought MAJOR SCAM ALERT.
Find it hard to believe he has done anything other than listed a lot of high value items he doesn't own, get some low value feedback then BANG hit up a few grand and disappear. He's got serious raresoul listed at $$$$ - looks more like an eBayer that's decided on a new route. Just looking at the first page it's - yeah, right, you look legit.
All his rares are 'Mint'... Like he has 'my proposal', Kings of Soul, etc, etc all in that condition let alone any condition at all.
I have not heard of discogs scams. Crappy sellers, yes, scams, no.
It's a good place to sell common records in the $5-10 range.