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how shoddy is sampling from reissues/comps??

milliondollarsmilliondollars 568 Posts
edited August 2012 in Strut Central
so i listenden to Marchberg again and i finally figured where a specific sample from Thugs Prayer is from. not fronting on Roc Marciano, i really think he is great, it's just hard to believe he holds the OG of that 1000-3000$ psych monster LP.

this is just an example but there are so many new tunes with $1000+ records samples. not telling that it is not possible that some people actually own these records but in many cases it's just very hard to believe...

what are strutters opinions on this?

sampling from reissues: yes or no...
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  • dj_cityboydj_cityboy 1,484 Posts
    personally, i could care less, reissues/cassettes/comps/youtube...i pull samples from whereever i want with very little care about what people are going to think about it...

    i dont spend anymore then $100 on a single record, if that makes me some toy timmydigalot thats the least of my problems as well...
  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    What difference does it make?
  • DustedDonDustedDon 830 Posts
    Most mainstream rock critics would frown on this.
  • Anto99Anto99 244 Posts
    DustedDon said:
    Most mainstream rock critics would frown on this.


    The fact that the samples aren't from OG sources or the fact that you're still referencing a post I made oh, 5 hours ago?
  • milliondollarsmilliondollars 568 Posts
    HarveyCanal said:
    What difference does it make?

    it's an idealistic question i think...

    you can put it that way. which record do you like more? your Boscoe repress or your Boscoe OG? of course the music on it is the same but on the other hand.......it's not!

    it's the power of OG, haha!
  • mrmatthewmrmatthew 1,575 Posts
    DustedDon said:
    Most mainstream rock critics would frown on this.

    This makes me want to whole heartedly endorse this pactice.
  • Anto99Anto99 244 Posts
    I think you're missing his lame attempt at sarcasm. And something tells me, you're definitely not alone.
  • DanteDante 371 Posts
    i've heard several times that loads of 'golden era' beats were made using ultimate breaks and beats records. maybe anto can confirm or deny this?
  • Anto99Anto99 244 Posts
    Dante said:
    i've heard several times that loads of 'golden era' beats were made using ultimate breaks and beats records. maybe anto can confirm or deny this?

    Nope. I think you need a early 90s ultimate breakbeat critic to help you with that one.
  • Pistol_PetePistol_Pete 1,289 Posts
    stinkie said:
    this is an interesting topic. esentially a reissue is a 'sampled' record. because it was sampled from the original vinyl source (most likely) and then sampled again through a computer to make the reissue. So, a new record that uses a sample from a sampled original vinyl source would be a 3rd generation sample. I don't like that. samples should be from original vinyl only. If I'm going to spend $300 on baby huey I want to know that it has to the potential to be sampled 1st generation.

    my brain just exploded
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    I give no fucks.

    "I chopped these drums off of 'Truly Yours' by G Rap" - MF Doom
  • speakmumblesspeakmumbles 447 Posts
    nobody in the world cares what type or specific issue of records someone samples from. the same way nobody cares what type of guitar you use. all that matters is the final output. the sound.

    use what you want to use to achieve the desired final product, but realize there are no rules.
  • BeatChemistBeatChemist 1,465 Posts
    speakmumbles said:
    use what you want to use to achieve the desired final product, but realize there are no rules.

    Don't tell that to Pete Rock!!! lol

    My $0.02 - who gives a fuck!?!?! Sample 240p youtube rips if you feel the need to.
  • 3rdshow3rdshow 168 Posts
    People should only sample from original master tapes.
    Better yet, hang out at the recording session and sample from that.
  • magpaulmagpaul 1,314 Posts
    Clams Casino is a good example of the generation of producers who sample strictly MP3s downloaded illegally.
  • Ricky ForcefieldRicky Forcefield 88 Posts
    very Josh-like thinking. I remember reading around the time of Entroducing him saying he would ONLY sample from an original, he would search for the original and not sample from a CD or reissue.

    LOL

    Whatever mate.

    I mean, I'd rather not sample from a CD if I had a choice, but only due to the sound. But who else would know FFS?

    Some over-earnest white boy thinking.

    And I'm an over-earnest white boy
  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
    Ricky Forcefield said:
    very Josh-like thinking. I remember reading around the time of Entroducing him saying he would ONLY sample from an original, he would search for the original and not sample from a CD or reissue.

    LOL

    Whatever mate.

    I mean, I'd rather not sample from a CD if I had a choice, but only due to the sound. But who else would know FFS?

    Some over-earnest white boy thinking.

    And I'm an over-earnest white boy

    The kind of old-fashioned horse-sense we could do with a little more of round here, especially lately.

    As you point out, there are valid technical reasons for preferring originals over copies, but the people who make the most noise about how sampling non-originals = fakin' the funk are usually concerned only with the object.

    Anyway, this all reminds me of a conversation I once had in my younger days as a house DJ. I was playing a particular tune and this guy buttonholes me.

    Guy: I've got that on white label, mate.
    Me: Yeah? Nice.
    Guy: Yeah, I only play stuff on white label. Exclusive, innit.
    Me: I suppose so. The music's the same most of the time, though, isn't it?
    Guy: Nah, mate, white label's better.
    Me: Why? You can't play the label, can you?
    Guy: No, but that's not the point...

    He proceeded to explain to me, without recourse to empirical evidence of any description, why DJs who only played white labels were better than those who didn't, all the while taking great care not to actually come right out and say that, of course, this made him a better DJ than me, which was decent enough of him, I suppose. The thing I took away from that conversation was a determination to never, ever be that guy who gets obsessively hung up on the nerdiest of record-nerd bullshit.
  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    I only sample while spraypainting the walls of a circular room as I spin on my head thinking of civil rights.
  • DB_CooperDB_Cooper Manhatin' 7,823 Posts
    Jonny_Paycheck said:
    I give no fucks.

    "I chopped these drums off of 'Truly Yours' by G Rap" - MF Doom







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  • Ricky ForcefieldRicky Forcefield 88 Posts
    DocMcCoy said:
    Ricky Forcefield said:
    very Josh-like thinking. I remember reading around the time of Entroducing him saying he would ONLY sample from an original, he would search for the original and not sample from a CD or reissue.

    LOL

    Whatever mate.

    I mean, I'd rather not sample from a CD if I had a choice, but only due to the sound. But who else would know FFS?

    Some over-earnest white boy thinking.

    And I'm an over-earnest white boy

    The kind of old-fashioned horse-sense we could do with a little more of round here, especially lately.

    well thank you. I spose I should make an introduction thread soon, but prepare to be underwhelmed.

    Did the white label DJ guy not even try convince you that white labels had better sound or something? more space between the groves or whatever.

    Those 'digger rules' have gone out the window anyway and good thing too. In regards to OP, imagine trying to clon on Marciano's producer for that track because he didn't sample from the OG. Enjoy gripping your grail while he's flipping samples
  • skelskel You can't cheat karma 5,033 Posts
    Sampling a repress is a chameleon with a twice-body length tongue that it whiplashes backwards in order to lick its own ass.
  • DubiousDubious 1,865 Posts
    white label dood is some comedey... call plant "yeah i need yo uto press 500 copies of that 12"...450 with labels... and 50 whites for promo"

    that's how it works 99% of the time!
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    aguaconsal said:
    People should only sample from original master tapes.
    Better yet, hang out at the recording session and sample from that.

    Cosign

    The lower the sound quality the more people will tune out, especially girls.
  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
    Ricky Forcefield said:
    DocMcCoy said:
    Ricky Forcefield said:
    very Josh-like thinking. I remember reading around the time of Entroducing him saying he would ONLY sample from an original, he would search for the original and not sample from a CD or reissue.

    LOL

    Whatever mate.

    I mean, I'd rather not sample from a CD if I had a choice, but only due to the sound. But who else would know FFS?

    Some over-earnest white boy thinking.

    And I'm an over-earnest white boy

    The kind of old-fashioned horse-sense we could do with a little more of round here, especially lately.

    well thank you. I spose I should make an introduction thread soon, but prepare to be underwhelmed.

    Did the white label DJ guy not even try convince you that white labels had better sound or something? more space between the groves or whatever.

    Those 'digger rules' have gone out the window anyway and good thing too. In regards to OP, imagine trying to clon on Marciano's producer for that track because he didn't sample from the OG. Enjoy gripping your grail while he's flipping samples

    It was a very long time ago, but I vaguely remember him saying something about how white labels were "more underground" and that this somehow made the music more underground compared to music that anyone could find out about and/or buy. There's a kind of logic to that, but not of the variety I'd particularly want to stand behind.
  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,475 Posts
    I prefer to sample from OGs whenever possible, but it's certainly not as though I refuse to sample from anything else--reissues, MP3s, whatever. They all get used.
  • dj_cityboydj_cityboy 1,484 Posts
    i would figure that by the time the sample is sourced, truncated and had effects over it pitched, looped, sequenced, you couldn't tell the difference anyways?...maybe with clean breaks, but if both albums (OG & RE-ISH) were sampled and played back...could anyone tell the difference?

    please tell me someone used a reissue of take me to the mardi gras for the beatoff? :face_melt:
  • BeatChemistBeatChemist 1,465 Posts
    dj_cityboy said:
    please tell me someone used a reissue of take me to the mardi gras for the beatoff? :face_melt:

    I was sampling a clean AlphaOmega 12" version with Nautilus on the flip!!! lol my copy of the OG is pretty beat up.

    Didn't meet the deadline and I am STILL struggling with a bassline lol. Maybe it's cuz I used the wrong source!!
  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,905 Posts
    DocMcCoy said:
    Ricky Forcefield said:
    DocMcCoy said:
    Ricky Forcefield said:
    very Josh-like thinking. I remember reading around the time of Entroducing him saying he would ONLY sample from an original, he would search for the original and not sample from a CD or reissue.

    LOL

    Whatever mate.

    I mean, I'd rather not sample from a CD if I had a choice, but only due to the sound. But who else would know FFS?

    Some over-earnest white boy thinking.

    And I'm an over-earnest white boy

    The kind of old-fashioned horse-sense we could do with a little more of round here, especially lately.

    well thank you. I spose I should make an introduction thread soon, but prepare to be underwhelmed.

    Did the white label DJ guy not even try convince you that white labels had better sound or something? more space between the groves or whatever.

    Those 'digger rules' have gone out the window anyway and good thing too. In regards to OP, imagine trying to clon on Marciano's producer for that track because he didn't sample from the OG. Enjoy gripping your grail while he's flipping samples

    It was a very long time ago, but I vaguely remember him saying something about how white labels were "more underground" and that this somehow made the music more underground compared to music that anyone could find out about and/or buy. There's a kind of logic to that, but not of the variety I'd particularly want to stand behind.



    Did you ask him if his "White Label" was a boot or OG? Virgin vinyl or American recycled? I once had a dude tell me my copy sucked because it didn't have bells...

    Personal opinion. Samplewutchalike. If it work, it works. Fuck all that noise.
  • YNOTYNOT in a studio apt mixing tuna with the ramen 417 Posts
    I once witnessed a well known producer sampling off sir otto in a documentary. It's 2012 and everything but c'mon son.
  • milliondollarsmilliondollars 568 Posts
    ^ as long as dudes don't start sampling from audio snippets from online record shops... :-)
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