probably the most shlocky "ok this is a b-movie" scene, for me, was when Elba just poo-poo's the alarm going off, leaves his dudes in an alien space ship overnight and goes to f*ck charlize theron, where the hell did this come from? such a lame plot device.
probably the most shlocky "ok this is a b-movie" scene, for me, was when Elba just poo-poo's the alarm going off, leaves his dudes in an alien space ship overnight and goes to f*ck charlize theron, where the hell did this come from? such a lame plot device.
Dude, it's Charlize Theron and he just woke up from a 2 year nap. All logic is out the window bay door!
I definitely left with a few questions though. Why did David poison the Dr. and why would he intentionally let Shaw suffer and die giving birth to the alien?
I think cause David is an android with a purpose to serve "father" and father's interests. David has no conscience and has pretty much one objective and the Dr. happened to be the lab rat. I am not sure David knew that he was actually poisoning him, but was conducting an experiment and has no issue with ethics to find answers like a human scientist would
David needed to contain Shaw because she was contaminated and posed a risk to the crew. He isn't programmed to feel guilt or sympathy, it was a logical measure to take.
Yeah, I read something along the lines of that last night. Basically the "how far are you willing to go to find your answer?" was the green light to test the the alien juice on him. The conversation preceding that with Weyland was that they'd hit a dead end and to "try harder", so he did what he was programmed to do.
I agree, there was a lot crammed into 2 hours and some convoluted plot points overall. I guess the reason the Engineers turned on the humans was because we killed one of them... When they carbon dated the head it died 2000 years ago, and that ship with was heading to earth to wipe us out because we killed alien space Jesus (?)
One other question is what were the Engineers running from and why were all their bodies piled up in the room with all the goop instead of the main part of the ship?
Like I said originally I enjoyed this movie, but there were too many holes in it for me to really be enthusiastic about it.
SPOILERS
1) Having a scientist on another planet playing with some animal they just found? Really???
2) I took the worms as being part of the tubes that became the alien, they didn't get infected
3) One of the scientists had an alien go down his throat. He should therefore have given birth to an alien. Was never shown. Instead, the geologist that tried to cut the alien off the guys arm and had the acid blood sprayed in his face shows up later. Since when do you turn into super strong crazy person when you get alien blood sprayed all in your face? No you die because you had acid blood sprayed in your face.
4) Thereon's character knew her dad was on the ship all along, she asked David about him early on in the film.
5) David's orders were to discover the creators for his master. He infected the doctor because he found the primordial goo coming out of one of the canisters and wanted to see what it gave birth to as part of his orders.
One other question is what were the Engineers running from and why were all their bodies piled up in the room with all the goop instead of the main part of the ship?
I thought one of the aliens was born and turned on them, and they were running from it. When they were going through the bodies they said all of them had something pop out of it, hence an alien.
3) One of the scientists had an alien go down his throat. He should therefore have given birth to an alien. Was never shown. Instead, the geologist that tried to cut the alien off the guys arm and had the acid blood sprayed in his face shows up later. Since when do you turn into super strong crazy person when you get alien blood sprayed all in your face? No you die because you had acid blood sprayed in your face.
I don't think it was alien blood.
If it was, it would have started to eat through the ground it was swirling around on. Also it would have burnt through David's finger as he prepared to dip it in the dude's bubbly.
The way it burned the dome on the geologist's head suggests it it had some of the properties of the blood, but was not the acid blood that we know and love. It was some kind of alien DNA goo. This why it transformed him into a raging superhuman and possibly transformed the worms shown under shaw's foot into those face-hugger/deep-throat prototypes.
Like I said originally I enjoyed this movie, but there were too many holes in it for me to really be enthusiastic about it.
SPOILERS
1) Having a scientist on another planet playing with some animal they just found? Really???
2) I took the worms as being part of the tubes that became the alien, they didn't get infected
3) One of the scientists had an alien go down his throat. He should therefore have given birth to an alien. Was never shown. Instead, the geologist that tried to cut the alien off the guys arm and had the acid blood sprayed in his face shows up later. Since when do you turn into super strong crazy person when you get alien blood sprayed all in your face? No you die because you had acid blood sprayed in your face.
4) Thereon's character knew her dad was on the ship all along, she asked David about him early on in the film.
5) David's orders were to discover the creators for his master. He infected the doctor because he found the primordial goo coming out of one of the canisters and wanted to see what it gave birth to as part of his orders.
1. That was part that bugged me also. Scientist getting lost (And then having to stay the night)? Even after they mapped out the place?? They were looking and talking at the worm alien thing like it was a kitten. Or the main scientist dude
Charlie gets back all bummed out and gets drunk and pissed off. Instead of say... Into research mode!
There were too many moments where these people didn't act like scientist what so ever.
2. I took the worms for already being there. Remember, the ship had oxygen in the halls. That black ooze coming out changed them to that snake thing.
3. No. The snake thing doesn't alone turn you into an alien. The black ooze into a human who has sex with another human. Which gives birth to some crazed squid thing, which then goes into one of those engineer dudes, makes the alien. Evolution...
The "super strong crazy person" isn't the dude who got sprayed. The super strong crazy person is Charlie. Who the robot guy infected with the black ooze. The scene where they flame him. He comes back alive and he goes super strong crazy person...
4. I don't think she did know until she saw him. We know he didn't know she was on the ship (He says so when they meet up). I think she thought the robot dude was just in communication with him.
5. It was said somewhere in the movie he was to infect someone and see what would happen? I must have missed that.
I think the biggest issue with the movie is mostly everyone on the ship was partly an idiot. And the robot was too smart for his own good.
I'm pretty sure strong crazy dude was ahole mohawk geologists who gets lost with super map.
I understand how people can argue over the "deep" unanswered questions, but isn't this basic plot point something we should've all walked out of the movie knowing?
The "super strong crazy person" isn't the dude who got sprayed. The super strong crazy person is Charlie. Who the robot guy infected with the black ooze. The scene where they flame him. He comes back alive and he goes super strong crazy person...
Dude what? Were we watching the same movie? It was most definitely Fifield. He got sprayed with the worm blood, which melted his helmet, and then fell into a puddle of the black goo, which turned him into Shane McGowan & Freddy Kreuger's love child:
The way they immediately opened the ship door for him struck me as another moment of convenient stupidity but whatever
DOR said:
5. It was said somewhere in the movie he was to infect someone and see what would happen? I must have missed that.
It was implied when (David tells Vickers that) Weyland told him to "try harder".
What was David's motivation for "infecting" Holloway with black goop?
Damon Lindelof: I'd say that the short answer is: That's his programming. In the scene preceding him doing that, he is talking to Weyland (although we don't know it at the time) and he's telling Weyland that this is a bust. That they haven't found anything on this mission other than the stuff in the vials. And Weyland presumably says to him, "Well, what's in the vials?" And David would say, "I'm not entirely sure, we'll have to run some experiments." And Weyland would say, "What would happen if you put it in inside a person?" And David would say, "I don't know, I'll go find out." He doesn't know that he's poisoning Holloway, he asks Holloway, "What would you be willing to do to get the answers to your questions?" Holloway says, "Anything and everything." And that basically overrides whatever ethical programming David is mandated by, [allowing him] to spike his drink.
Ok I swear I'm done thinking about this movie after this post...
But another weird thing I just realized... Vickers is probably in her mid to late 30's, and Weyland's like 120 years old, so he was probably in his 80's when she was born...? I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility, just odd that it's implied that she's an only child, and yet Weyland basically disowned her. 80 seems kind of old to be pulling that kind of shit...
1) Having a scientist on another planet playing with some animal they just found? Really???
I saw this with my oldest son who's 10 (holy shit) - yes, questionable parenting related, but he begged me to see it and I did the whole "cover your eyes" move when needed.
His response to this was they were both high (!) from what the geologist was smoking in his helmet. Not saying it's right, but in the context it does kinda make sense.
Also,
When Shaw was freaking out at the end of the movie, I asked him why the alien didn't come out of the ship and kill her after it killed the Engineer. He looked at me dead serious and said: "cause that's her baby". I sat there smiling and dumbfounded for a minute. We all know it was gestating, but I would've never thought of it that way.
Ok, I'm done talking about this movie. Says a lot that so many people are going back and forth about it, me thinks.
Hahaaa
Well I saw Alien when most of yall were probably still in diapers, loved it, and pretty much hated on all the sequels.
Aliens was great but in another realm than the first one.
I wouldnt class this as a prequel or sequel going in -better to just see it as a stand alone with lots of references for those in the know.
Its a fucking crazy flick. Bananas. Saw it in Imax 3d and thought the photography, set design art direction etc. were some of the best ive seen in ages. I really enjoyed it and had a few good laughs.
I wouldve gone with HOOLIGAN SCIENTISTS VS THE EVIL DEATH PUSSY ALIENS IN SPACE instead of Prometheus tho. That is all.
My only real crticism is that the movie takes place 70-80 years from now, which is at least 100 years off the mark imo.
I enjoyed it overall. Not destined to be a classic, but memorable nonetheless.
Kindly,
parallax
Yea, that's just because it has to fit the original timeline started with the first Alien move. I think directors have always wanted this whole "not to distant future" things as if it somehow makes the audience connect better or something. In reality it's not even close. So many movie shot for a 2010 -2030 future for stuff and we still use liquid fuel which is way to bulky and heavy to get us anywhere fun. You think they would just go over 3000 all the time if the date they wanted to pick could actually happen in their lifetime. Scott did go for around 2100 for the first Alien but now a prequel seems way too soon for us to be that advanced.
I'm sure they all have fantasies of being Phillip K Dick and saying see I put that in my move for that date and now it's happened.
1) Having a scientist on another planet playing with some animal they just found? Really???
I saw this with my oldest son who's 10 (holy shit) - yes, questionable parenting related, but he begged me to see it and I did the whole "cover your eyes" move when needed.
His response to this was they were both high (!) from what the geologist was smoking in his helmet. Not saying it's right, but in the context it does kinda make sense.
Also,
When Shaw was freaking out at the end of the movie, I asked him why the alien didn't come out of the ship and kill her after it killed the Engineer. He looked at me dead serious and said: "cause that's her baby". I sat there smiling and dumbfounded for a minute. We all know it was gestating, but I would've never thought of it that way.
Ok, I'm done talking about this movie. Says a lot that so many people are going back and forth about it, me thinks.
Ironically the high guy was saying leave it alone!
I was really disappointed in this. It sucks to say that because I wanted to like it sooo much. Being a huge fan of the series I even watched all four prior to seeing this.
My biggest gripe was that it made the same mistake as the Star Wars prequels did. The technology shown in the film was far superior to that the sequels. Did the other films have hologram screens, sexy space suits, and automated surgery chambers? No. So why does this film have it? It is obviously because with the advent of CGI they did it simply because they could. And they relied way too heavily on the effects rather than the plot.
The first Alien movie (the best imo) was great because how simple it was. A crew of 7, and 1 alien. Each character also got ample screen time to develop. Wheras Promethius seemed to have had a crew of 9+ and at least 7 different aliens and multiple insignificant subplots.
What where they thinking? The fans have been able to digest every nuance about the original storyline for 30+ years, and it seemed that the new writers could clearly give a fuck about that.
jus seen.
mess of a script. trying to be all 2001 or something.
some decent characters, sweet effects and fun alien in the belly scene.
im gonna definitely try and use idris' pick up line too
my question...why did the initial robed engineer drink the poison goo in the beginning?
Movies.com: Do you worry that you???ve lost the element of surprise that worked to your advantage with the original Alien? By now, we???ve seen numerous movies in the Alien universe, and like it or not, audiences are coming in with an expectation that deflates tension and suspense. Did you feel the need to pull the audience in to the story in a different fashion this time?
RS: I was hoping I had with the fact that you have a sequence at the beginning of the film that is fundamentally creation. It???s a donation, in the sense that the weight and the construction of the DNA of those aliens is way beyond what we can possibly imagine ???
Movies.com: That is our planet, right?
RS: No, it doesn???t have to be. That could be anywhere. That could be a planet anywhere. All he???s doing is acting as a gardener in space. And the plant life, in fact, is the disintegration of himself.
If you parallel that idea with other sacrificial elements in history ??? which are clearly illustrated with the Mayans and the Incas ??? he would live for one year as a prince, and at the end of that year, he would be taken and donated to the gods in hopes of improving what might happen next year, be it with crops or weather, etcetera.
tripledouble said:
mess of a script. trying to be all 2001 or something.
whats sticking with you?
i pretty much agree with resgiant and the detractors on here. altho the visuals were mostly amazing and i like the whole engineer concept. good overall, but probably a better movie if it had discussions with the author included after viewing (i.e. it tries to do someething interesting but doesnt stand up on its own)
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Dude, it's Charlize Theron and he just woke up from a 2 year nap. All logic is out the
windowbay door!Yeah, I read something along the lines of that last night. Basically the "how far are you willing to go to find your answer?" was the green light to test the the alien juice on him. The conversation preceding that with Weyland was that they'd hit a dead end and to "try harder", so he did what he was programmed to do.
I agree, there was a lot crammed into 2 hours and some convoluted plot points overall. I guess the reason the Engineers turned on the humans was because we killed one of them... When they carbon dated the head it died 2000 years ago, and that ship with was heading to earth to wipe us out because we killed alien space Jesus (?)
One other question is what were the Engineers running from and why were all their bodies piled up in the room with all the goop instead of the main part of the ship?
As if this hasn't been over thought enough, this guy makes some interesting points: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html
SPOILERS
1) Having a scientist on another planet playing with some animal they just found? Really???
2) I took the worms as being part of the tubes that became the alien, they didn't get infected
3) One of the scientists had an alien go down his throat. He should therefore have given birth to an alien. Was never shown. Instead, the geologist that tried to cut the alien off the guys arm and had the acid blood sprayed in his face shows up later. Since when do you turn into super strong crazy person when you get alien blood sprayed all in your face? No you die because you had acid blood sprayed in your face.
4) Thereon's character knew her dad was on the ship all along, she asked David about him early on in the film.
5) David's orders were to discover the creators for his master. He infected the doctor because he found the primordial goo coming out of one of the canisters and wanted to see what it gave birth to as part of his orders.
One other question is what were the Engineers running from and why were all their bodies piled up in the room with all the goop instead of the main part of the ship?
I thought one of the aliens was born and turned on them, and they were running from it. When they were going through the bodies they said all of them had something pop out of it, hence an alien.
I don't think it was alien blood.
If it was, it would have started to eat through the ground it was swirling around on. Also it would have burnt through David's finger as he prepared to dip it in the dude's bubbly.
The way it burned the dome on the geologist's head suggests it it had some of the properties of the blood, but was not the acid blood that we know and love. It was some kind of alien DNA goo. This why it transformed him into a raging superhuman and possibly transformed the worms shown under shaw's foot into those face-hugger/deep-throat prototypes.
1. That was part that bugged me also. Scientist getting lost (And then having to stay the night)? Even after they mapped out the place?? They were looking and talking at the worm alien thing like it was a kitten. Or the main scientist dude
Charlie gets back all bummed out and gets drunk and pissed off. Instead of say... Into research mode!
There were too many moments where these people didn't act like scientist what so ever.
2. I took the worms for already being there. Remember, the ship had oxygen in the halls. That black ooze coming out changed them to that snake thing.
3. No. The snake thing doesn't alone turn you into an alien. The black ooze into a human who has sex with another human. Which gives birth to some crazed squid thing, which then goes into one of those engineer dudes, makes the alien. Evolution...
The "super strong crazy person" isn't the dude who got sprayed. The super strong crazy person is Charlie. Who the robot guy infected with the black ooze. The scene where they flame him. He comes back alive and he goes super strong crazy person...
4. I don't think she did know until she saw him. We know he didn't know she was on the ship (He says so when they meet up). I think she thought the robot dude was just in communication with him.
5. It was said somewhere in the movie he was to infect someone and see what would happen? I must have missed that.
I think the biggest issue with the movie is mostly everyone on the ship was partly an idiot. And the robot was too smart for his own good.
David wasn't told to infect someone. He was told to try harder and he decided to infect someone.
I understand how people can argue over the "deep" unanswered questions, but isn't this basic plot point something we should've all walked out of the movie knowing?
Dude what? Were we watching the same movie? It was most definitely Fifield. He got sprayed with the worm blood, which melted his helmet, and then fell into a puddle of the black goo, which turned him into Shane McGowan & Freddy Kreuger's love child:
The way they immediately opened the ship door for him struck me as another moment of convenient stupidity but whatever
It was implied when (David tells Vickers that) Weyland told him to "try harder".
Check it:
http://io9.com/5917448/all-of-your-lingering-prometheus-questions-answered
What was David's motivation for "infecting" Holloway with black goop?
Damon Lindelof: I'd say that the short answer is: That's his programming. In the scene preceding him doing that, he is talking to Weyland (although we don't know it at the time) and he's telling Weyland that this is a bust. That they haven't found anything on this mission other than the stuff in the vials. And Weyland presumably says to him, "Well, what's in the vials?" And David would say, "I'm not entirely sure, we'll have to run some experiments." And Weyland would say, "What would happen if you put it in inside a person?" And David would say, "I don't know, I'll go find out." He doesn't know that he's poisoning Holloway, he asks Holloway, "What would you be willing to do to get the answers to your questions?" Holloway says, "Anything and everything." And that basically overrides whatever ethical programming David is mandated by, [allowing him] to spike his drink.
Thx for the correction. I must have zoned out.
But another weird thing I just realized... Vickers is probably in her mid to late 30's, and Weyland's like 120 years old, so he was probably in his 80's when she was born...? I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility, just odd that it's implied that she's an only child, and yet Weyland basically disowned her. 80 seems kind of old to be pulling that kind of shit...
I saw this with my oldest son who's 10 (holy shit) - yes, questionable parenting related, but he begged me to see it and I did the whole "cover your eyes" move when needed.
His response to this was they were both high (!) from what the geologist was smoking in his helmet. Not saying it's right, but in the context it does kinda make sense.
Also,
When Shaw was freaking out at the end of the movie, I asked him why the alien didn't come out of the ship and kill her after it killed the Engineer. He looked at me dead serious and said: "cause that's her baby". I sat there smiling and dumbfounded for a minute. We all know it was gestating, but I would've never thought of it that way.
Ok, I'm done talking about this movie. Says a lot that so many people are going back and forth about it, me thinks.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about the one thing that bugged me most about this episode...
100+ million dollar movie and they couldn't make Weyland's old guy makeup better than THAT?!
b/w
Well I saw Alien when most of yall were probably still in diapers, loved it, and pretty much hated on all the sequels.
Aliens was great but in another realm than the first one.
I wouldnt class this as a prequel or sequel going in -better to just see it as a stand alone with lots of references for those in the know.
Its a fucking crazy flick. Bananas. Saw it in Imax 3d and thought the photography, set design art direction etc. were some of the best ive seen in ages. I really enjoyed it and had a few good laughs.
I wouldve gone with HOOLIGAN SCIENTISTS VS THE EVIL DEATH PUSSY ALIENS IN SPACE instead of Prometheus tho. That is all.
this cheat sheet to the species origins amused me
lol
My only real crticism is that the movie takes place 70-80 years from now, which is at least 100 years off the mark imo.
I enjoyed it overall. Not destined to be a classic, but memorable nonetheless.
Kindly,
parallax
Yea, that's just because it has to fit the original timeline started with the first Alien move. I think directors have always wanted this whole "not to distant future" things as if it somehow makes the audience connect better or something. In reality it's not even close. So many movie shot for a 2010 -2030 future for stuff and we still use liquid fuel which is way to bulky and heavy to get us anywhere fun. You think they would just go over 3000 all the time if the date they wanted to pick could actually happen in their lifetime. Scott did go for around 2100 for the first Alien but now a prequel seems way too soon for us to be that advanced.
I'm sure they all have fantasies of being Phillip K Dick and saying see I put that in my move for that date and now it's happened.
Ironically the high guy was saying leave it alone!
My biggest gripe was that it made the same mistake as the Star Wars prequels did. The technology shown in the film was far superior to that the sequels. Did the other films have hologram screens, sexy space suits, and automated surgery chambers? No. So why does this film have it? It is obviously because with the advent of CGI they did it simply because they could. And they relied way too heavily on the effects rather than the plot.
The first Alien movie (the best imo) was great because how simple it was. A crew of 7, and 1 alien. Each character also got ample screen time to develop. Wheras Promethius seemed to have had a crew of 9+ and at least 7 different aliens and multiple insignificant subplots.
What where they thinking? The fans have been able to digest every nuance about the original storyline for 30+ years, and it seemed that the new writers could clearly give a fuck about that.
meh, C+
jus seen.
mess of a script. trying to be all 2001 or something.
some decent characters, sweet effects and fun alien in the belly scene.
im gonna definitely try and use idris' pick up line too
my question...why did the initial robed engineer drink the poison goo in the beginning?
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232
Movies.com: Do you worry that you???ve lost the element of surprise that worked to your advantage with the original Alien? By now, we???ve seen numerous movies in the Alien universe, and like it or not, audiences are coming in with an expectation that deflates tension and suspense. Did you feel the need to pull the audience in to the story in a different fashion this time?
RS: I was hoping I had with the fact that you have a sequence at the beginning of the film that is fundamentally creation. It???s a donation, in the sense that the weight and the construction of the DNA of those aliens is way beyond what we can possibly imagine ???
Movies.com: That is our planet, right?
RS: No, it doesn???t have to be. That could be anywhere. That could be a planet anywhere. All he???s doing is acting as a gardener in space. And the plant life, in fact, is the disintegration of himself.
If you parallel that idea with other sacrificial elements in history ??? which are clearly illustrated with the Mayans and the Incas ??? he would live for one year as a prince, and at the end of that year, he would be taken and donated to the gods in hopes of improving what might happen next year, be it with crops or weather, etcetera.
it was a cool scene...jus wished they had explained shit a lil bit more at any point
i pretty much agree with resgiant and the detractors on here. altho the visuals were mostly amazing and i like the whole engineer concept. good overall, but probably a better movie if it had discussions with the author included after viewing (i.e. it tries to do someething interesting but doesnt stand up on its own)