cratedigging-magazine-project :P

pookeyblow

Hello everyone!We have this magazine-project in my school where we have to write an article and do the design for a magazine in indesign (with some help from illustrator and photoshop of course).I thought about writing an article about crate digging, and I thought maybe you guys here could help me out with ideas, info, links, sites with scans, other articles, the history of cratedigging, and other useful information.I hope some of you have time to help me out and I am thankful for every reply!peace from Oslo, Norway-pookey

Grope

Not trying to sound like an asshole or stuff... I'm trying to help you:

Do that stuff on your own. Do some pistures of your local record stores and make sure to write a lot. You could use some label logos or cover art from records and do some collage or patchwork, but I'd never steal or take pictures from other people who were writing about record digging. Do not use the same photos over and over again. I've seen some photos online a thousand times before they were being used for print versions of magazines. Even in Wax Poetics...

Some kids from my hometown stole artwork from a Soulstrut member for a magazine article once... that was totally wack and disrespectful. Look at the Waxpoetics magazine. My graphic designing friend says that their magazine is totally nice from a magazine design perpective... personally, I don't know... but take pictures and do artwork on your own...

pookeyblow

Im in high school and does study media and communication so yeah.. of course I have to take pictures and do the design on my own, thats the task! Im just in the thinking phase and need some inspiration and info about crate digging because its very hard to explplain what cratedigging is to a person that dont know shit about it. I aslo dont know that much about the history of cratedigging and thats why I asked you here on the soulstrut forums.

I know how to do artwork and how to take photos because thats some of my hobbies..
but I dont have all original classic breaks and records and I think I need some photos of them beacuse thats a part of the digging-history..

get it?

idiotproof

Dude is in school asking for some suggestions methinks. Don't be so harsh on the lad.



Maybe you should find some fellow Norge heads...

Track down Tommy Tee or The Nutsons. Hit up the fellas at Kingsize.no



I know that most Norwegian hip hop has gone more towards the keyboard stuff these days, but there must be some hip hop producers/djs in your city still sampling.

Does CityCon still exist?

Be nicer to have a Scando slant to it all. Maybe fellow countrymen Teddy Rosso & Brops could help you out.

Grope

I was just trying to help. Sorry if I sounded harsh. Didn't mean to.



Just write down what crate digging means to you or what other people say about it. Don't try to tell a story about sampling in hip hop though. I usually notice how old folks are getting bored once you start to talk about sampling only. Your teacher or other people wouldn't care. Most record collectors and crate diggers are weird people. Record store owners too. You could interview a record shop owner and ask about his customers or what strange and rare records he has seen in his life as a seller/dealer. He might come up with an address or phone number of a true collector in your area.



It would be most fun to write an own story. There are millions of articles about the digging culture in hip hop. I'd focus on a story about record digging in general.



Hope I could still help. I just think that there are way too many interviews with hip hop producers that dig for records. And way to many pictures of the same stores and records over and over...

brops

It could be an idea to do and interview with Tommy Tee. It's not many people around here with the knowledge he got. I guess it shouldn't be too much problems to contact him.

Also, of course, the first thing to do is to track down that danish beat diggin' documentary, and maybe watch Deep Crates. It's not much, but it's something to begin with. Also go talk to Bj??rn Ringstr??m at his shop. He's a cool dude and know all about records. That would be a good way to see this in a non-hip hop perspective.

Hawkeye

Is it more about digging as far as the HipHop term ?? Or is it about record collecting ?? I think there is a diffrence and most record collectors see it the same. If you are intressting in the digging for samples to be used in HipHop tracks I would suggest to get at a HipHop producere and interview him. Or to get at any other sample based musician. He can tell you what his reason is to dig for the stuff he is digging for. As far as the history I would say that google should help a lot. The history of digging is connected to the technical history of sampling. I think Peter Gabriel was one of the first musicians who really bought a sampler at the emnd of the 70s. The Fairlight sampler for over 100.000 $. From there it developed into affordable machines like the Emulator, SP 12 and Akais and stuff. Which happend at the same point as the HipHop genre needed an substitute for the livebands and drummachines which beacme a little bit boring at this time. And with the backround of using others peoples recordings already as a backing for rapping it was the logical step to use the sampler to make music. And therefore they needed new breaks and had to dig for.

The HipHop digging starts even earlyer, look for some Afrika Baambaata and Grandmaster Flash interveiws on the web. They allways tell the story of battling each other by having the newest unheared records in the 70s.

Also a giant step in awaking the virus of digging in a lot of people was the Ultimate Beats, Break compilation. Read something about the history of that compilation which is heavily used on the end 80s rap records.

Peace
Hawkeye

Grope

By the way, I got about 150 pictures of some of my records. Large sized photos of front and back covers. I took them for a friend who needed record pictures for one of his art projects. Not too many breakbeat classics, but totally rare and good records. I do not kid you. PM me if you're interested...

tripledouble

yo, i agree with grope. that "kool herc came over from jamaica" story is a little done to death. write a paragraph or two on the historic significance of hiphop on modern record collecting, but a real fun paper should be from your experience and territory. find that toddy tee dude. put some pics of some of gropes ill records.
i think what would be dope is go on a couple digging misiions yourself. one could be just finding the name of a couple flea markets/shops in the boonies and go visit, documenting everything...conversations, directions, photos of weird stores along the way, sun rising, etc. To me, thats what digging is about...getting all up in the cut. the other digging trip could be similarly documented but more investigated...try to track down an artist or old dj or radio station manager and get up in those crates. even if it doesnt pan out, you could recount the rituals of a dig and give people an idea of how it works.


t

Grope

yo, i agree with grope. that "kool herc came over from jamaica" story is a little done to death. write a paragraph or two on the historic significance of hiphop on modern record collecting, but a real fun paper should be from your experience and territory. find that toddy tee dude. put some pics of some of gropes ill records.
i think what would be dope is go on a couple digging misiions yourself. one could be just finding the name of a couple flea markets/shops in the boonies and go visit, documenting everything...conversations, directions, photos of weird stores along the way, sun rising, etc. To me, thats what digging is about...getting all up in the cut. the other digging trip could be similarly documented but more investigated...try to track down an artist or old dj or radio station manager and get up in those crates. even if it doesnt pan out, you could recount the rituals of a dig and give people an idea of how it works.


t

That's what I was trying to say. My English skills sometimes bar me from writing what I think or want to tell others. Really, I'm sorry if I ever sounded harsh. Talk to your local people. It would be a cool way to introduce yourself to some record guys properly too. Worked out fine for me.

alieNDN

hey, you might want to consult some books, get some information and of course cite your references; check this
http://soulstrut.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=crates&Number=412757&Forum=All_Forums&Words=hip%20hop%20books&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=6months&Main=412757&Search=true#Post412757

lambert

Pookeyblow,

If you need pics, look up mowtown67's thread callled "record porn".

follow the links to his personal archives of all his hot shit.
there's tons of images there.

lambert

Here it is.

I think I'll take a few to look at this, too.

pookeyblow

Thanks alot! Alot of good ideas here! The idea with the record shops was very good. I think I will do this "Where to dig in Oslo?" thing.
I will also try to set up an interview with The Nutsons, DJ Dust or Lasarus (Maiden/Arien Voyage comps..). Tommy Tee and Kingsize/Pass It are hooked on the synth beats I dont even think they use samples any more...Haha!

peace!

flunk

I'm feelin' grope.......




flunk

Phill_Most

All right, since no one else is gonna say it, I will say it. If you really want this project to come out right, you've got to get up, get up, get up, get up. Get up and go to school, pookeyblow. (sorry, just could not resist)

Good luck with your cratedigging-magazine-project, pookeyblow. With the help of the impressive Soulstrut knowledge pool as your guide, everything will be fine.

pookeyblow

haha thanks

hammertime

I always thought it would be cool to make a cratedigging zine where people contribute pictures of awesome and/or that they've found for dirt cheap, including as much info as they're willing to spill, i.e. price, location, and any awesome stories to go with it. I guess the internet has made this idea obsolete, but I still think it would be cool.

tso

I once picked up Melvin Jacksons - Funky Skull at a farmers garage sale. Strange record to find at that kind of place.

teddyrosso

We're all here, and we are out everyday looking for records. Give us a call and wel'll hook up ..

Swayze

Is it more about digging as far as the HipHop term ?? Or is it about record collecting ?? I think there is a diffrence and most record collectors see it the same. If you are intressting in the digging for samples to be used in HipHop tracks I would suggest to get at a HipHop producere and interview him. Or to get at any other sample based musician. He can tell you what his reason is to dig for the stuff he is digging for. As far as the history I would say that google should help a lot. The history of digging is connected to the technical history of sampling. I think Peter Gabriel was one of the first musicians who really bought a sampler at the emnd of the 70s. The Fairlight sampler for over 100.000 $. From there it developed into affordable machines like the Emulator, SP 12 and Akais and stuff. Which happend at the same point as the HipHop genre needed an substitute for the livebands and drummachines which beacme a little bit boring at this time. And with the backround of using others peoples recordings already as a backing for rapping it was the logical step to use the sampler to make music. And therefore they needed new breaks and had to dig for.

The HipHop digging starts even earlyer, look for some Afrika Baambaata and Grandmaster Flash interveiws on the web. They allways tell the story of battling each other by having the newest unheared records in the 70s.

Also a giant step in awaking the virus of digging in a lot of people was the Ultimate Beats, Break compilation. Read something about the history of that compilation which is heavily used on the end 80s rap records.

Peace
Hawkeye

what's the difference between "hip-hop digging" and "record collecting?

mcdee

what's the difference between "hip-hop digging" and "record collecting?

i think the main difference between great collectros and hiphop diggers is that the great collectro wouldnt buy a shite record just because it has a 2 bar break/loop

idiotproof

what's the difference between "hip-hop digging" and "record collecting?

i think the main difference between great collectros and hiphop diggers is that the great collectro wouldnt buy a shite record just because it has a 2 bar break/loop

Ha ha ha. Never a truer statements has been said. I reckon I have an extreme amount of those 'shite' records for specifically that purpose only. One day I just might need them...?????