Turkish women tear Karen Hughes new asshole! (NRR)
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Turkish Women Blast Karen Hughes With Iraq War Criticism
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 28, 2005; 1:45 PM
ISTANBUL, Sept. 28 -- A group of Turkish female activists confronted Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes Wednesday with heated complaints about the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, turning a session designed to highlight the empowering of women into a raw display of the anger at U.S. policy in the region.
"This war is really, really bringing your positive efforts to the level of zero," said Hidayet Sefkatli Tuksal, an activist with the Capital City Women's Forum. She said it was difficult to talk about cooperation between women in the United States and Turkey as long as Iraq was under occupation.
Hughes, a longtime confidant of President Bush tasked with burnishing the U.S. image overseas, has generally met with polite audiences -- many of whom received U.S. funding or consisted of former exchange students -- during a tour of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey this week.
In this case the U.S. Embassy asked Kader, an umbrella group that supports woman candidates, to assemble the guest list. None of the activists currently receive U.S. funds and the guests apparently had little desire to mince words. Six of the eight women who spoke at the session, held in Ankara, the capital, focused on the Iraq war.
"War makes the rights of women completely erased and poverty comes after war -- and women pay the price," said Fatma Nevin Vargun, a Kurdish women's rights activist. Vargun denounced the arrest of Cindy Sheehan, the activist mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, in front of the White House Monday at an antiwar protest.
Hughes, looking increasingly pained, defended the decision to invade Iraq as a difficult and wrenching moment for President Bush, but necessary to protect America.
"You're concerned about war, and no one likes war," she said. But, she said, "to preserve the peace sometimes my country believes war is necessary." She also asserted that women are faring much better in Iraq than under the rule of deposed president Saddam Hussein.
"War is not necessary for peace," shot back Feray Salman, a human rights advocate. She said countries should not try to impose democracy through war, adding that "we can never, ever export democracy and freedom from one country to another."
Tuksal said she was "feeling myself wounded, feeling myself insulted here" by Hughes' response. "In every photograph that comes from Iraq there is that look of fear in the eyes of women and children. . . . This needs to be resolved as soon as possible."
Turkey, a member of NATO, has long been a close ally of the United States, but relations have soured during the Bush administration, especially after the Turkish parliament blocked a request to allow U.S. troops to stage an invasion of northern Iraq via Turkey. National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley visited Ankara last week as part of a new effort by the White House to mend ties.
The Turkish public has also become rattled by an increase in attacks by the PKK, or Kurdistan Workers' Party, a Kurdish militant group operating out of northern Iraq, amid accusations that the United States has not done enough to rein in the group.
Nurdan Bernard, a journalist participating in the panel, raised concerns about the PKK, prompting Hughes to respond that it was "somewhat an irony." She added: "Sometimes you have to engage in combat in order to confront terrorists who want to kill you."
Hughes later flew to Istanbul for meetings with religious leaders -- part of an effort to promote interfaith dialogue -- and with Turks who have participated in U.S. exchange programs. She returns to Washington Thursday.
Turkish Women Blast Karen Hughes With Iraq War Criticism
By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 28, 2005; 1:45 PM
ISTANBUL, Sept. 28 -- A group of Turkish female activists confronted Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes Wednesday with heated complaints about the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, turning a session designed to highlight the empowering of women into a raw display of the anger at U.S. policy in the region.
"This war is really, really bringing your positive efforts to the level of zero," said Hidayet Sefkatli Tuksal, an activist with the Capital City Women's Forum. She said it was difficult to talk about cooperation between women in the United States and Turkey as long as Iraq was under occupation.
Hughes, a longtime confidant of President Bush tasked with burnishing the U.S. image overseas, has generally met with polite audiences -- many of whom received U.S. funding or consisted of former exchange students -- during a tour of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey this week.
In this case the U.S. Embassy asked Kader, an umbrella group that supports woman candidates, to assemble the guest list. None of the activists currently receive U.S. funds and the guests apparently had little desire to mince words. Six of the eight women who spoke at the session, held in Ankara, the capital, focused on the Iraq war.
"War makes the rights of women completely erased and poverty comes after war -- and women pay the price," said Fatma Nevin Vargun, a Kurdish women's rights activist. Vargun denounced the arrest of Cindy Sheehan, the activist mother of a soldier killed in Iraq, in front of the White House Monday at an antiwar protest.
Hughes, looking increasingly pained, defended the decision to invade Iraq as a difficult and wrenching moment for President Bush, but necessary to protect America.
"You're concerned about war, and no one likes war," she said. But, she said, "to preserve the peace sometimes my country believes war is necessary." She also asserted that women are faring much better in Iraq than under the rule of deposed president Saddam Hussein.
"War is not necessary for peace," shot back Feray Salman, a human rights advocate. She said countries should not try to impose democracy through war, adding that "we can never, ever export democracy and freedom from one country to another."
Tuksal said she was "feeling myself wounded, feeling myself insulted here" by Hughes' response. "In every photograph that comes from Iraq there is that look of fear in the eyes of women and children. . . . This needs to be resolved as soon as possible."
Turkey, a member of NATO, has long been a close ally of the United States, but relations have soured during the Bush administration, especially after the Turkish parliament blocked a request to allow U.S. troops to stage an invasion of northern Iraq via Turkey. National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley visited Ankara last week as part of a new effort by the White House to mend ties.
The Turkish public has also become rattled by an increase in attacks by the PKK, or Kurdistan Workers' Party, a Kurdish militant group operating out of northern Iraq, amid accusations that the United States has not done enough to rein in the group.
Nurdan Bernard, a journalist participating in the panel, raised concerns about the PKK, prompting Hughes to respond that it was "somewhat an irony." She added: "Sometimes you have to engage in combat in order to confront terrorists who want to kill you."
Hughes later flew to Istanbul for meetings with religious leaders -- part of an effort to promote interfaith dialogue -- and with Turks who have participated in U.S. exchange programs. She returns to Washington Thursday.
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hi.
However, what do we make of the Turkish women's complaint about the PKK attacks?
These women seem awfully concerned with the rights of women in Iraq and Turkey - and critical of the US war machine. And yet they basically ask the US to use their military might to crush the Kurds.
Perhaps Hughes wasn't totally bullshitting when she recognized this as ironic.
i just think we need to see Turkish complaints about the US military's handling of Iraq for what it often - though by no means always - is: disappointment at seeing the end of a dictatorship that effectively kept Kurdish independence aspirations in check.
You true. I was just responding to the article. It said:
"The Turkish public has also become rattled by an increase in attacks by the PKK, or Kurdistan Workers' Party, a Kurdish militant group operating out of northern Iraq, amid accusations that the United States has not done enough to rein in the group...Nurdan Bernard, a journalist participating in the panel, raised concerns about the PKK..."
The author's implication here is that these women - or at least some of them - were raising issues about the PKK attacks, possibly urging the US to do more to stop them. Like I said, it's unclear WHO said WHAT exactly in this press conference. The author is totally vague and possibly conflates two distinct issues here. The author could be totally full of shit drawing this connection.
But again, the overall tone of the article was like: These Turkish groups are mad at the US, Turks in general are mad at the US over the war, and one of their concerns is tke Kurdish thing. Alls I'm saying is there is a much larger context that is not addressed at all in this article: That the Turks have long opposed Kurdish liberation and that may be (read: obviously is) a factor.
that's real. i'm just glad at the end of the day that these Turkish women stood up to Hughes. 'cause the majority of the American people seem to buy the admin's bullshit hook/line/sinker.
Ha! (i hope you're joking).
I am sure your best friend is a Muslim.
I'm sure some of your best friends are Kurds.
No, I don't know any Kurdish people... some of my best friends are Black though...
word? me too! do you know Tim?
Wow, she must have said to herself, 'Oh my God, they're seeing right thru all of this horse shit that I'm trying to feed them. What am I going to do now.'
It's truly sad that these are our 'leaders'*
* For lack of a better term
Geo/Ethnocentricity strikes again.
Let's not be too critical of 20th century transgressions.
If I was, say, a cow... I wouldn't want humans in charge.
You twit we are not nor have we been discussing the Turkish government.
Folks are always whining about how people judge us by our government. Why are you judging all Turks by theirs.
Just another true believer in service to the people that are fucking us on a daily basis....
....and she wouldn't know irony if it crawled up her leg and bit her on the ass...