john roberts = new chief justice (nrr)

SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
edited September 2005 in Strut Central

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  • ayresayres 1,452 Posts
    Johnny Paycheck called it

  • I'ma really need those gunshots now


  • Johnny Paycheck called it

    Johnny

    .... Oh, and for the rest of us as well.

  • MeepMeep 320 Posts
    the rest of us would like to know who this dude is.....

  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
    the rest of us would like to know who this dude is.....

    bush's initial appointment to replace sandra day o'conner (another supreme court justice who just stepped down last month). yet another good ol' boy conserative clone...hasn't been around very long, doesn't have much of a paper trail, but his wife is a huge pro-life fundraiser.

    but dude's only 50, which seems like a slap in the face to the rest of the bench...

  • the rest of us would like to know who this dude is.....

    Exactly. But my feeling is he's not the fairy godmother

  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,473 Posts
    Oh, well. It was a nice free country we had going for a bit there. Women, I hope you didn't have any delusions about having control over your own body. Gays and minorities, remember, "equality" is a word that can vary wildly in definition.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts

    I doubt if Roberts will be to the right of Rehnquist. It is possible that he will be more moderate. The Dems can show what good sports they are by letting him take the job, then not approve another judge to any court until we get GW out in 2008.

    Dan

  • AaronAaron 977 Posts
    Seems to me that JR, working under those past administrations, was just doing his job by doing their bidding. Personally, I wouldn't bring a lawyer on if they were going to perform a one-eighty from my position. Of course, it would also help if they believe in what I believe in.

    How much credit should be given to his pro bono work for homosexual rights?

    The guy confuses me.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Not that big of a deal.

    Chief Justice is solely an administrative position--he's the one saddled with the responsibility of running the courthouse, but his vote doesn't count any more than that of the associate justices, nor does he have any power to influence them.

    The only real danger here is a collateral one: that the Dems will let an arch-conservative fill O'Connor's seat whom they would have more vigorously opposed if he (or she) had been nominated for the more high profile seat of Chief.

    And, as Dan points out, it's unlikely that Roberts will emerge as any more conservative than Rhenquist.

  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
    Seems to me that JR, working under those past administrations, was just doing his job by doing their bidding. Personally, I wouldn't bring a lawyer on if they were going to perform a one-eighty from my position. Of course, it would also help if they believe in what I believe in.

    if he does believe those positions, he's far right. if he doesn't, he's entirely for sale. I don't know which one is worse.




    faux_rill, even if his role is mostly administrative, he's still symbolically higher up...if I was any other justice on there, I would be mighty pissed.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Seems to me that JR, working under those past administrations, was just doing his job by doing their bidding. Personally, I wouldn't bring a lawyer on if they were going to perform a one-eighty from my position. Of course, it would also help if they believe in what I believe in.

    if he does believe those positions, he's far right. if he doesn't, he's entirely for sale. I don't know which one is worse.

    All attorneys take an oath to vigorously represent the interests of their clients. As an attorney, if you fail to make an argument that you think will advance your clients' interests--even if you don't personally accept it--you are guilty of an ethical lapse. Not that this is really here or there--I think the interests he has represented over the years are indicative of what his principles are, and I deplore them--but it's not evidence of being unprincipled. Again, he doesn't seem to be any further to the right than the man he's replacing.

    faux_rill, even if his role is mostly administrative, he's still symbolically higher up...if I was any other justice on there, I would be mighty pissed.

    Not at all--it's traditional to appoint a chief from outside the court; Rhenquist is a historical anomaly in that respect. I doubt any of the current justices--save maybe Scalia or Thomas--would be interested in the position. Again, it's only real significance is administrative. It does have symbolic importance, but only to the generally ignorant American public--it's not a symbolism that is going to sway any of the other members of the court in determining how to cast their vote.

  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
    All attorneys take an oath to vigorously represent the interests of their clients. As an attorney, if you fail to make an argument that you think will advance your clients' interests--even if you don't personally accept it--you are guilty of an ethical lapse. Not that this is really here or there--I think the interests he has represented over the years are indicative of what his principles are, and I deplore them--but it's not evidence of being unprincipled. Again, he doesn't seem to be any further to the right than the man he's replacing.

    yeah but he can refuse any case he wants.

    all I'm saying is if dude spends his entirely life defending corporations and then goes home and rocks out to rage against the machine, I don't have much respect for lil john.

    Not at all--it's traditional to appoint a chief from outside the court; Rhenquist is a historical anomaly in that respect. I doubt any of the current justices--save maybe Scalia or Thomas--would be interested in the position. Again, it's only real significance is administrative. It does have symbolic importance, but only to the generally ignorant American public--it's not a symbolism that is going to sway any of the other members of the court in determining how to cast their vote.

    aight then I take back some of my outrage.

  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    All attorneys take an oath to vigorously represent the interests of their clients. As an attorney, if you fail to make an argument that you think will advance your clients' interests--even if you don't personally accept it--you are guilty of an ethical lapse. Not that this is really here or there--I think the interests he has represented over the years are indicative of what his principles are, and I deplore them--but it's not evidence of being unprincipled. Again, he doesn't seem to be any further to the right than the man he's replacing.

    yeah but he can refuse any case he wants.

    Well, that's not really true for a government attorney.

    Regardless, though, I believe his career trajectory and the cases that he has been involved in during its course are indicative of his principles, and I also believe that he is a deeply principled person... it's just that his principles are completely fucked up.

  • The only positive side of this is that it will make Scalia lose what little is left of his mind...

  • The Dems can show what good sports they are by letting him take the job, then not approve another judge to any court until we get GW out in 2008.

    Psshhh, they're all in collusion. Bipartisan politics is just a way for the wheeler-dealers to keep the masses distracted with meaningless bickering.

  • motown67motown67 4,513 Posts
    Faux,

    I thought the Chief Justice also has administrative jobs with all the Federal judges in the U.S. as well as his role as Chief Justice with the Supreme.
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