Racestrut: Celebrity Vs. Racial Profiling

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  • sounds like the cop was doing his job by looking into a complaint and that she acted like an entitled, self-righteous brat. was this really a battle that needed to be fought? what evidence is there that race had anything to do with this incident, other than the actresses invocation of same. shit like this reminds me why most cops seem bitter and unpleasant at the best of times.

  • Da Vinylmentalist said:
    So let me get this, in Los Angeles, the porn capital of the world, it's illegal to kiss in public?

    Only in America.

    Hardly.

    Nobody was arrested for 'kissing' (or arrested at all for that matter) and the police were called because they were having sex in public, which I'm guessing is illegal in your country too.

  • i also want to say this: racism is very real and very pernicious but when folks go off half cocked screaming racism when there is no evidence of same it undermines the real incidents and gives the racists the most comfort. fuck this idiot actress, i hope this blows up in her face.

  • Horseleech said:
    Da Vinylmentalist said:
    So let me get this, in Los Angeles, the porn capital of the world, it's illegal to kiss in public?

    Only in America.

    Hardly.

    Nobody was arrested for 'kissing' (or arrested at all for that matter) and the police were called because they were having sex in public, which I'm guessing is illegal in your country too.

    I don't know. I live in Amsterdam. We're not exactly a puritanical Taliban-like state here.

    And did you see those pictures? That didn't look like sex. No nudity to be seen. If people don't like it they should look somewhere else and shut the fuck up or go live in the Islamic Caliphate in Iraq.

  • GuzzoGuzzo 8,611 Posts
    crabmongerfunk said:
    i also want to say this: racism is very real and very pernicious but when folks go off half cocked screaming racism when there is no evidence of same it undermines the real incidents and gives the racists the most comfort. fuck this idiot actress, i hope this blows up in her face.

    My thoughts exactly. This whole thing takes stupidity and "celebrity" entitlement and tries to make it a race issue. Can't wait to see where her career goes from here, way to become a liability to any studio who wants to work with you.

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    Pretty sure the racism angle came from the cops apparent assumption that white dude was messing with a prostitute, since you know, she's black.

    And I don't see any sex in those photos.

    Keep clinching those buttocks at all time, America. Keeps your index finger even more ready for pointing...and dialing up the cops.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    HarveyCanal said:
    Pretty sure the racism angle came from the cops apparent assumption that white dude was messing with a prostitute, since you know, she's black.

    And I don't see any sex in those photos.

    Keep clinching those buttocks at all time, America. Keeps your index finger even more ready for pointing...and dialing up the cops.
    Pretty sure it was the 911 caller's assumption and while I don't know what prompted that person's assumption, having sex in a fucking car in broad daylight could be just as likely the cause as racism.

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    PatrickCrazy said:
    HarveyCanal said:
    Pretty sure the racism angle came from the cops apparent assumption that white dude was messing with a prostitute, since you know, she's black.

    And I don't see any sex in those photos.

    Keep clinching those buttocks at all time, America. Keeps your index finger even more ready for pointing...and dialing up the cops.
    Pretty sure it was the 911 caller's assumption and while I don't know what prompted that person's assumption, having sex in a fucking car in broad daylight could be just as likely the cause as racism.

    You talking the cause for the call to the cops for indecency or the cause for the actress to claim racism against the cop?

    2 different things going on there.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    crabmongerfunk said:
    i also want to say this: racism is very real and very pernicious but when folks go off half cocked screaming racism when there is no evidence of same it undermines the real incidents and gives the racists the most comfort.

    Exactly.

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    LaserWolf said:
    crabmongerfunk said:
    i also want to say this: racism is very real and very pernicious but when folks go off half cocked screaming racism when there is no evidence of same it undermines the real incidents and gives the racists the most comfort.

    Exactly.

    Only to racists does it "undermine the real incidents".

    Normal people just say _________ went overboard, which has nothing to do with other, more substantial situations.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
    HarveyCanal said:
    LaserWolf said:
    crabmongerfunk said:
    i also want to say this: racism is very real and very pernicious but when folks go off half cocked screaming racism when there is no evidence of same it undermines the real incidents and gives the racists the most comfort.

    Exactly.

    Only to racists does it "undermine the real incidents".

    Normal people just say _________ went overboard, which has nothing to do with other, more substantial situations.

    True, true. I think that is what CM and I are saying.
    And the racists I refer to are people who don't understand how pernicious and real racism is.

  • HarveyCanalHarveyCanal "a distraction from my main thesis." 13,234 Posts
    LaserWolf said:
    HarveyCanal said:
    LaserWolf said:
    crabmongerfunk said:
    i also want to say this: racism is very real and very pernicious but when folks go off half cocked screaming racism when there is no evidence of same it undermines the real incidents and gives the racists the most comfort.

    Exactly.

    Only to racists does it "undermine the real incidents".

    Normal people just say _________ went overboard, which has nothing to do with other, more substantial situations.

    True, true. I think that is what CM and I are saying.
    And the racists I refer to are people who don't understand how pernicious and real racism is.

    So if they are racist to the point of having no clue, then why should anyone who thinks, even mistakenly, that they've been subjected to racism be worried about what they think?

  • Big_StacksBig_Stacks "I don't worry about hittin' power, cause I don't give 'em nuttin' to hit." 4,670 Posts
    crabmongerfunk said:
    i also want to say this: racism is very real and very pernicious but when folks go off half cocked screaming racism when there is no evidence of same it undermines the real incidents and gives the racists the most comfort. fuck this idiot actress, i hope this blows up in her face.

    Proud Blacks folks (like me) hate this kind of shit. I'm the first to agree that racism should be implicated WHEN THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT IT HAS OCCURRED!!! This does not mean one should make such a claim for lewd and lascivious behavior IN A PUBLIC PLACE!!! :weaksauce: :shitty: :talib: The one question I have, though, is why wasn't the boyfriend implicated as well (or was he)? If there was differential treatment, then this smells funny (see aforementioned smell test). I thought both (presumed) hoes and johns get are cited (and arrested) for (presumed) solicitation.

    Peace,

    Big Stacks from Kakalak

  • GuzzoGuzzo 8,611 Posts
    Big_Stacks said:
    The one question I have, though, is why wasn't the boyfriend implicated as well (or was he)? If there was differential treatment, then this smells funny (see aforementioned smell test). I thought both (presumed) hoes and johns get are cited (and arrested) for (presumed) solicitation.

    Peace,

    Big Stacks from Kakalak

    Hey Big Stacks,

    He was implicted. If you listen to the recording, The officer asked for both peoples ID and she refused to show it

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    ^^^ from what I read the husband gave ID and he was let go upon verifying his identification.

  • asstroasstro 1,754 Posts
    From what I've heard (and full disclosure, I work at a major gossip mag) the reason she was singled out was because she started with the "I'm a celebrity" routine and was generally uncooperative. The boyfriend did as the cops asked from the beginning (much easier for him as a white male, no doubt). It's a similar situation to when Reese Witherspoon got busted for DUI a while ago. There was no solicitation charge, the police responded to multiple complaints that they were having sex in a public place.

    I hate shit like this because I get into arguments defending her a to people who don't see the racism in the original situation she described, and then (even though the basis of my argument is sound) I end up looking like an ass because she turns out to be lying. The whole thing makes idiots out of everyone.

  • DuderonomyDuderonomy Haut de la Garenne 7,788 Posts
    asstro said:
    The whole thing makes idiots out of everyone.

    b/w

    Guzzo said:


    He was implicted.

    So am I.

  • Do people have sex in cars in broad daylight? I'm sure they do.

    Do they open the door to do it? Seems weird. Was probably just gropey making out.

    The audio doesn't sound too good on her side. It also kind of bugs me that she keeps saying "daddy," like daddy fix this for me. Her behavior is not terribly adult. Making out in front of your job and then calling your dad when you get in trouble.

    No doubt she's probably encountered things in her life that have made her feel like reacting this way, but I don't know, it doesn't seem like the cop comes too bluntly at them. He also says at the end something like "see, you would have been gone already," which seems like it would've been the case.

    I fully admit that I cannot say what it's like to walk in her shoes.

  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
    HarveyCanal said:
    LaserWolf said:
    crabmongerfunk said:
    i also want to say this: racism is very real and very pernicious but when folks go off half cocked screaming racism when there is no evidence of same it undermines the real incidents and gives the racists the most comfort.

    Exactly.

    Only to racists does it "undermine the real incidents".

    Normal people just say _________ went overboard, which has nothing to do with other, more substantial situations.

    I'm with Harvey here. Leaving aside obvious issues of racial profiling - which, let's face it, no white person is ever likely to be affected by - who'd seriously use an incident like this as justification for disregarding complaints of racism elsewhere? It's classic dogwhistle shit, and it allows people, particularly those with pre-existing racist tendencies, to carry on making the same old generalisations about "the race card", as if the same rules apply to everyone - or perhaps more accurately, are applied the same way to everyone. We all know they're not, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.

    It seems that black folks are expected to constantly police their behaviour and reactions in these situations and others like them, all the while worrying about whether or not it reflects badly upon every other black person everywhere else in the US and beyond, in hope of avoiding the very real possibility of getting killed by an antsy cop who feels "threatened" by this unarmed black person behaving aggressively towards them. "No evidence" of racism? I have to ask; how would you know? How would most of us on here know, really? If there's no explicit evidence of racism or racist behaviour in a particular situation - by which I mean the kind of language, symbols or gestures most white folks would recognise and regard as racist - does that mean racism can't then exist, or is being exaggerated or imagined by someone "go[ing] off half-cocked"?

    I've been with my missus for fourteen years now. She has three brothers, all of whom I get on well with, and some of the conversations I've had around the dining table with the four of them and their ma have been illuminating to say the least. I can assure you that nothing's more effective in getting a white person to recalibrate their perception of racism than being close to black folks on an everyday level for a long period of time. How many of us ever have to consider whether or not simply having a strong opinion on something means we come across as "the angry white dude" at work, for example? Or if being perceived as "the angry white dude" might damage our career prospects, even if we were better at our job than just about all our colleagues? How many of us have ever felt the need to change the car we drove because all the shit we got from cops just for driving a nice car simply wasn't worth it?

    Honestly, it makes me laugh when people talk about how some black folks like to go "looking" for racism where there supposedly isn't any. Trust me, you don't have to go looking for it. You only have to open your eyes and lift your head.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Would "multiple" complaints been made, if it were a white couple?

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    batmon said:
    Would "multiple" complaints been made, if it were a white couple?
    if they were fucking in broad daylight and told a few times that they were going to call the cops?

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    PatrickCrazy said:
    batmon said:
    Would "multiple" complaints been made, if it were a white couple?
    if they were fucking in broad daylight and told a few times that they were going to call the cops?

    Fucking has been established or is that your imagination?

    How many times were they warned before the cops were alerted?

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    batmon said:
    PatrickCrazy said:
    batmon said:
    Would "multiple" complaints been made, if it were a white couple?
    if they were fucking in broad daylight and told a few times that they were going to call the cops?

    Fucking has been established or is that your imagination?

    How many times were they warned before the cops were alerted?

    http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/17/django-unchained-actress-racism-lapd-daniele-watts-pictures-photos/

    i thought soulstrut blindly trusts eyewitnesses over cops 100% of the time?

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    PatrickCrazy said:
    batmon said:
    PatrickCrazy said:
    batmon said:
    Would "multiple" complaints been made, if it were a white couple?
    if they were fucking in broad daylight and told a few times that they were going to call the cops?

    Fucking has been established or is that your imagination?

    How many times were they warned before the cops were alerted?

    http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/17/django-unchained-actress-racism-lapd-daniele-watts-pictures-photos/

    i thought soulstrut blindly trusts eyewitnesses over cops 100% of the time?

    "There was an indication on the radio call that a male white and female black were involved in a sexual act inside a Mercedes with the vehicle door open," Officer Sally Madera said. "Two people were briefly detained, but it was revealed no crime had been committed."

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    so what, this entire racist neighborhood saw an interracial couple holding hands, became completely outraged, and decided to all call the cops together?

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    PatrickCrazy said:
    so what, this entire racist neighborhood saw an interracial couple holding hands, became completely outraged, and decided to all call the cops together?

    Again....

    Fucking wasnt establshed and id like to know where the "few" warnings came from.
    And then answer my first question.

  • skelskel You can't cheat karma 5,033 Posts
    Guzzo said:


    He was implicted.

    I'm loving this new word.
    A merging of implicated and conflicted.

    The alternative was considered and dismissed, natch: complicated had its own meaning.

    Bravo.

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    batmon said:
    PatrickCrazy said:
    so what, this entire racist neighborhood saw an interracial couple holding hands, became completely outraged, and decided to all call the cops together?

    Again....

    Fucking wasnt establshed and id like to know where the "few" warnings came from.
    And then answer my first question.

    from a distance, if i see a lady taking her shirt off while grinding on some dude, i am going to make the valid assumption that they're fucking. nearly everything i've read on this said that people asked them to stop and told them that they were going to call the cops. go read them

  • ketanketan Warmly booming riffs 3,105 Posts
    I'm focusing on how two people (one white male, one black female) were presented with the same situation (cop asking for ID because of a complaint about indecent behaviour) and reacted in very different ways (one obediently handed over their ID, the other lost it).

    Why is that so hard to accept for people as normal? Is it really plausible that they were fucking in public for publicity; hoping that this outcome would happen? Is it really plausible that, in the heat of moment with the cop, she thought to herself, "This is my golden opportunity to break through in the industry!!"?

    How about the interaction with the cop was laden with symbolism given her experience as a black woman, and it meant something entirely different and "normal" to her white male partner?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_semiotics

  • BrianBrian 7,618 Posts
    breaking the law and refusing to produce ID after breaking the law is part of her experience as a black woman? that's pretty fucking racist man
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