The "disco bassline" origins?

mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
edited October 2012 in Strut Central
I'm helping crowd source the answer to this on behalf of a friend of mine who teaches music up in Oregon.

"[we] are searching for the earliest source of that cliched bass turnaround--the part where it drops down and then works it's way back up by half-steps."

In other words, they want to know the origins of this bassline style?




Anyone have any idea of where this standard bassline convention began?

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  • I would venture Bootsy backing James, although not at that Italo-ized tempo

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Could i get an example? I dont know whats being asked?

    Where/when did the "Disco" bassline originate?

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    batmon said:
    Could i get an example? I dont know whats being asked?

    Where/when did the "Disco" bassline originate?

    Batmon: you didn't see the sound clip above?

    Here it is again: http://soul-sides.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/disco-lines.mp3

  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,905 Posts










  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    lol

  • JimsterJimster Cruffiton.etsy.com 6,960 Posts
    If not Bootzilla, Larry Graham.

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    J i m s t e r said:
    If not Bootzilla, Larry Graham.

    This was going to be my answer. Graham w/ Sly in the late 60's.

    Didnt Bootsy join J.B. in the like 72/73? OOPS.....1970.

  • DuderonomyDuderonomy Haut de la Garenne 7,794 Posts
    Best/favourite basslines of this type?

    Sly & Family Stone - If You Want Me To Stay
    Rolling Stones - Miss You

  • Duderonomy said:
    Best/favourite basslines of this type?

    Sly & Family Stone - If You Want Me To Stay
    Rolling Stones - Miss You

    quango & sparky - 'do the boogaloo'

  • LamontLamont 1,089 Posts
    is it a Philly thing ?

  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Lamont said:
    is it a Philly thing ?

    Well, therein lies the question here. When did we first start hearing this become "a thing" for bass lines? Like others, it's definitely a sound I associate with Larry Graham but my friend was wondering if there might have been antecedents with Motown arrangements or other singles going back to the '60s.

  • erewhonerewhon 1,123 Posts
    How far back do you want to go?


  • erewhon said:
    How far back do you want to go?


    Not quite there. What the OP is referring to is the steady octave rhytmn part and the drop down a minor third down, and then a chromatic walk up to the first note in ex : C .... C A Bb B C .... etc....

  • FlomotionFlomotion 2,391 Posts
    Jerry Jemmott does something on the Filimore Live workout of Memphis Soul Stew ...

  • related question: is there any one tune that can be described as the 'first' disco record?

    i consider "girl, you need a change of mind" to be firmly in the disco genre but it's like 1970, so i'm not too sure..

  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    crabmongerfunk said:
    related question: is there any one tune that can be described as the 'first' disco record?

    i consider "girl, you need a change of mind" to be firmly in the disco genre but it's like 1970, so i'm not too sure..

    I dont think there is a such thing.

    Folks danced to various shit in the the late 60's into the early 70's.
    I doubt there was ONE joint that separates itself from.
    Dudes talk about Soul Makossa or Kay-Gee or whatever.

    I agree that "Girl" is Disco. By '72 shit was rolling already.

  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
    crabmongerfunk said:
    related question: is there any one tune that can be described as the 'first' disco record?

    i consider "girl, you need a change of mind" to be firmly in the disco genre but it's like 1970, so i'm not too sure..

    I know a few older gay dudes who consider Law Of The Land to be disco's ground zero, and that's roughly contemporaneous with Girl... (which was '72 rather than '70), but that might be something to do with it having been a single in the UK.

  • phatmoneysackphatmoneysack Melbourne 1,124 Posts
    The dudes on the discomusic.com forums provide a pretty good run down of some of the very first records. They seems to place most of them between 1972-1974. With a few debatable releases from the late 1960s

    http://www.discomusic.com/forums/showthread.php/7092-First-disco-song-ever-released

    I think black skin blue eyed boys from 1972 seems to deliver the bassline.


  • DuderonomyDuderonomy Haut de la Garenne 7,794 Posts
    phatmoneysack said:


    I think black skin blue eyed boys from 1972 seems to deliver the bassline.


    Only just noticed that this b-line sounds very similar to It's Just Begun by The Jimmy Castor Bunch (also 1972)


  • DocMcCoyDocMcCoy "Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
    Black Skin Blue Eyed Boys was 1970, in the UK at any rate.

  • DuderonomyDuderonomy Haut de la Garenne 7,794 Posts
    Yeah, sorry, hadn't really been taking so much notice of the dates.
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