New Jack Swing?
batmon
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I dont know what side of the fence im on. Im a little "confused".
Ive always thought NJS was specifically Teddy Riley's steez.
And yes many cats bit his style and did similar thangs, is the "entire" post 86 era of music "New jack Swing" or most Urban R&B considered New Jack Swing?
I thought there was R&B and there was NJS.
Just because you use Hip Hop samples and and drum machine doesnt make it NJS to me.
I dont really consider Jodeci NJS. Do you?
Blah Blah Blah.
This is coming off of listening to that Amalia - Art Slave who has NJS steez on the album.
Ive always thought NJS was specifically Teddy Riley's steez.
And yes many cats bit his style and did similar thangs, is the "entire" post 86 era of music "New jack Swing" or most Urban R&B considered New Jack Swing?
I thought there was R&B and there was NJS.
Just because you use Hip Hop samples and and drum machine doesnt make it NJS to me.
I dont really consider Jodeci NJS. Do you?
Blah Blah Blah.
This is coming off of listening to that Amalia - Art Slave who has NJS steez on the album.
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DOPE?
is that a movie quote? im lost.
Aaron Hall - Done Be Afraid......R&B or New Jack Swing?
The thread is titled NJS ya bastard, that's what i meant! :D
Ha ha! I took that to mean "both," which is what I think it is.
thats how i see it too.
the way i remember, swingbeat started as a term for bouncier hip hop tunes like 'go see the doctor' and 'the b-fats'. all snappy snares, loud shuffly percussion & jerky synth b-lines. almost like hip hops friendlier little brother.
rileys production on 'the show' maybe pointed to what lay ahead.
so i'd say yes, late 80s RnB & swing are 2 different things. NJS is just a handy catch-all term but you knew that.
EDIT - i guess if i had casually mentioned the later work of Guy, or maybe Keith Sweat or Levert, this post might have at least been acknowledged. no thing.
That "Is It Good To You" track by Tammy Lucas is undisputably the best female NJS song evar.
Are u factoring in the New Jill Swing groups?
U dont hear the structural differences between Hold On, My Perrogative, and Poison?
Yeah, course there's differences, just like Guy's Teddy's Jam and Wrecks n Effect's NJS, although few would argue they're not New Jack Swing tracks. TR being the common thread, but during that period hop hop meets R&B thing was everywhere, and I guess lazy journalism dubbed it all Swingbeat. I don't remember many folks resisting the label (unlike the trip hop dudes a few years later). As far as I remember though, the title New Jack Swing was played out by about 93-94 anyway.
I have NJS on its last legs on Micheal Jackson's Dangerous in '91. By then there were too many variants to even place that stamp on alot of what was out.
R.Kelly &The; Public Anouncement - Vibe (single) in '92 sounded like Aaron Hall/TR/Guy and them but the music wasnt the same as seminal NJS shit.
I just think its suspect to lump all Urban acts w/ a Hip Hop/R&B mix as NJS.
Some stuff had that street edge and some of the shit was just formulaic jive.
Jade - Dont Walk Away doesnt sound like Bobby Brown or Heavy -D shit to me.
Im not trying to confine the sound to JUST Teddy Riley, but shit can be compartmentalized..IMO.
I kind of pigeon holed any commercial sounding R&B with hip hop beats as the same genre back then anyway, mainly because it was so prevalent on the radio and in the clubs back then. I remember the only way you'd get girls to go to a hip hop night back then was on the promise there would be a NJS/R&B set played.
Jodeci's debut single - '91
New Jack Swing?
New Jack Swing-ish?
Urban R&B?
Proto Hip Hop Soul?
Deifinitely NJS, especially that drum fill before the song's hook kicks in, and those JB horn stabs.
That bit of parade-raining aside, I'd say that New Jack Swing is basically go-go music with the live band replaced by hip-hop informed programming. Considering that Teddy was an NYC dude with strong DC/VA ties, it seems pretty straightforward.
Not the most orthodox example, but a favorite of mine is Full Force's "Type Rider," previously discussed here on soulstrut, but perhaps lost in the server shuffle.
On the small-label tip, the extended version of "Try Me" by Chris McDaniels (Memphis, I think?) gets real nice.
And to me, Teddy is in the same rarefied league as The Latin Rascals: within a certain time period (and up to a certain price point), I'll buy anything with his name on it pretty much automatically, even if it's just some bullshit pop bullshit. I mean, dude's bonus beats on the Jane Child twelve-inch have the same intro pattern as "Looking At The Front Door," you know? It's hard not to like.
nobody asked you about the gap band
a new smiley is needed.
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