Redding is my favourite male singer, unique voice, perhaps could have had a career like James Brown in terms of longevity. But would you agree disco kind of reined in the opportunities available to "Soul" artists through the 70s in terms of fame? It took people like the Mizells and Chic, with a producers-eye-view, to put the art back into it. Was Redding going to make moves at this level?
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Interesting point, I guess it's how far you look into the future really, Al Green continued to have massive sales figures well into the mid seventies and may have continued to do so for a bit longer if he hadn't switched up his style when he did. I see Redding taking a similar route, fronting the change to the smoother polished production that Hayes n all set down. I think he could undoubtedly have done funk, disco, it's hard to tell.
I don't know how Otis would have fared into the disco era, but as far as the late sixties and early seventies, I see him not so much as a smooth-talking loverman like Al Green, but more of a "progressive soul" type ala Curtis, Donny, Stevie or Withers. The moves he was about to make in 1967 indicated that he was looking beyond the usual soul boundaries. Otis seemed to have a boundless curiosity about the rest of the musical world beyond the usual soul circles. After all the groundwork he laid in '67, it would have been counterproductive for him to wind up in a tuxedo in a Vegas casino like several R&B acts were doing as the sixties came to a close.
I'm still not convinced about Hendrix's longevity, talent wise obviously he had it all, and I'm admittedly in no way an expert in his career beyond the albums, I can't tell if he would have gone down the funk rock path (weren't his last gigs with War?), embraced the heavy rock scene then blossoming or just forged his own music. I have horrible images of him Derek and Dominoing it by the early seventies. Like I say though, far from expert so happy to be corrected.
Hendrix would have been with Miles and made Bitches Brew come about before it actually did. He would have made fusion harder and would have hooked up with Weather Report, maybe even got in with Zep. Jaco/Hendrix starshowers for days. The coak would have ravaged them to near-death by now though.
Is this a joke?
I'm with Jr.
We like to think; my favorite dead musician would have made my favorite music with my other favorite musicians if s/he had lived.
Which might be true.
Or, like many musicians, after a few years of great creativity they may have rested on their laurels and made artistic and commercial choices that we wouldn't have cared for much.
Hendrix burst on the scene in '66 (yes I know about the pre-experience stuff) and changed the way the electric guitar would be played. Forever. 4 years later after some great music he died.
In 1966 the 3 (past present future) yardbirds guitarists were changing the way electric guitar would be played. Forever. If any of them had died in 1970 we would be talking about the amazing music they were about to make.
Which living musician would be imaging had the biggest future ahead of them if they had died young?:
Eric Clapton
Rod Stewart
Keith Jarrett
Isaac Hayes
George Jones
I'm still not convinced about Hendrix's longevity, talent wise obviously he had it all, and I'm admittedly in no way an expert in his career beyond the albums, I can't tell if he would have gone down the funk rock path (weren't his last gigs with War?), embraced the heavy rock scene then blossoming or just forged his own music. I have horrible images of him Derek and Dominoing it by the early seventies. Like I say though, far from expert so happy to be corrected.
Hendrix would have been with Miles and made Bitches Brew come about before it actually did. He would have made fusion harder and would have hooked up with Weather Report, maybe even got in with Zep. Jaco/Hendrix starshowers for days. The coak would have ravaged them to near-death by now though.
In reading the liner notes, I was struck by the thought that one of the greatest musical tragedies of the early 70s was that Jimi Hendrix never got to make an album with Miles Davis. They had talked about it at some length apparently, with Keith Jarrett, and maybe Michael Henderson and the rest of Miles Davis??? crack funk-jazz band of this era, but they never got around to actually recording/playing before Hendrix died, at least that I???m aware of.
Actually Hendrix was looking to do more highly arranged big band music:
"[Gil] Evans had a particular interest in the work of rock guitarist Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix's 1970 death made impossible a scheduled meeting with Evans to discuss having Hendrix front a big band led by Evans."
Not true. Actually he was getting ready to record with Roland Kirk:
"Jimi admired and respected Miles but he idolized Rahsaan Roland Kirk. Hendrix???s record collection, circa 1967, included Rahsaan Roland Kirk???s Rip, Rig & Panic right alongside Jeff Beck???s Truth and the odd assortment of Bob Dylan, Tim Hardin, Albert King, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters, Kenny Burrell, Wes Montgomery and Ravi Shankar LPs. In a March 1970 issue of Rolling Stone, writer John Burks reported on the apparent affinity that Jimi felt for Rahsaan: ???It???s revealing to hear Hendrix talk about jamming in London with Roland Kirk, jazz???s amazing blind multi-horn player. Jimi was in awe of Roland, afraid that he would play something that would get in Roland???s way. You can tell, by the way he speaks of Kirk, that Hendrix regards him as some kind of Master Musician. As it worked out, Jimi played what he normally plays, Roland played what he normally plays and they fit like hand in glove.???
By all accounts (including a snippet from John Kruth???s book Bright Moments: The Life & Legacy of Rahsaan Roland Kirk, which details their fabled jam at Ronnie Scott???s jazz club in London in the early part of 1967), Kirk and Jimi communicated on a mutual plane. Since Hendrix routinely layered three or more guitar parts on his recordings, he must have also felt an immediate affinity for the jazz iconoclast who could play three wind instruments at once. And Kirk???s amazing mastery of circular breathing allowed him to echo Jimi???s own sustained guitar lines. But their strongest bond came from recognizing that the blues was at the heart of their respective styles. "
Or maybe it was Jim Morrison he was getting ready to record with. Or Sly Stone, if Jimi had collaborated with Sly then Sly wouldn't have lost his groove and they would have created a whole new rocknsoul hybrid that would have overpowered disco and made punk unnecessary.
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Just read a bit about Jimmy Rodgers. Dude literaly starved at the age of 35 after short career which lasted no longer than 6 years. In this 6 years he revolutionized country music by adding blues, jazz and yodeling to it and influenced every country musician who came after him.
I wonder what country music would sound like if he lived longer...
Just read a bit about Jimmy Rodgers. Dude literaly starved at the age of 35 after short career which lasted no longer than 6 years. In this 6 years he revolutionized country music by adding blues, jazz and yodeling to it and influenced every country musician who came after him.
I wonder what country music would sound like if he lived longer...
He had some surprising influence as it was:
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Horseleech said:
finelikewine said:
Just read a bit about Jimmy Rodgers. Dude literaly starved at the age of 35 after short career which lasted no longer than 6 years. In this 6 years he revolutionized country music by adding blues, jazz and yodeling to it and influenced every country musician who came after him.
I wonder what country music would sound like if he lived longer...
Actually Hendrix was looking to do more highly arranged big band music:
"[Gil] Evans had a particular interest in the work of rock guitarist Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix's 1970 death made impossible a scheduled meeting with Evans to discuss having Hendrix front a big band led by Evans."
Not true. Actually he was getting ready to record with Roland Kirk. Or maybe it was Jim Morrison he was getting ready to record with.
Based on this clip of Hendrix & Morrison jamming in 1968, that would be a bad, bad idea:
Miles had a couple of guys who couldn't read music in his later bands. It's not like he was asking them to play anything note for note off a page. If you know the changes and have a little theory, you're good to go.
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I don't know how Otis would have fared into the disco era, but as far as the late sixties and early seventies, I see him not so much as a smooth-talking loverman like Al Green, but more of a "progressive soul" type ala Curtis, Donny, Stevie or Withers. The moves he was about to make in 1967 indicated that he was looking beyond the usual soul boundaries. Otis seemed to have a boundless curiosity about the rest of the musical world beyond the usual soul circles. After all the groundwork he laid in '67, it would have been counterproductive for him to wind up in a tuxedo in a Vegas casino like several R&B acts were doing as the sixties came to a close.
Is this a joke?
I'm with Jr.
We like to think; my favorite dead musician would have made my favorite music with my other favorite musicians if s/he had lived.
Which might be true.
Or, like many musicians, after a few years of great creativity they may have rested on their laurels and made artistic and commercial choices that we wouldn't have cared for much.
Hendrix burst on the scene in '66 (yes I know about the pre-experience stuff) and changed the way the electric guitar would be played. Forever. 4 years later after some great music he died.
In 1966 the 3 (past present future) yardbirds guitarists were changing the way electric guitar would be played. Forever. If any of them had died in 1970 we would be talking about the amazing music they were about to make.
Which living musician would be imaging had the biggest future ahead of them if they had died young?:
Eric Clapton
Rod Stewart
Keith Jarrett
Isaac Hayes
George Jones
I LOLed at this. Right up there with "that's Fogerty!"
http://www.b12partners.net/wp/2009/08/20/miles-davis-and-jimi-hendrix/
"[Gil] Evans had a particular interest in the work of rock guitarist Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix's 1970 death made impossible a scheduled meeting with Evans to discuss having Hendrix front a big band led by Evans."
Not true. Actually he was getting ready to record with Roland Kirk:
"Jimi admired and respected Miles but he idolized Rahsaan Roland Kirk. Hendrix???s record collection, circa 1967, included Rahsaan Roland Kirk???s Rip, Rig & Panic right alongside Jeff Beck???s Truth and the odd assortment of Bob Dylan, Tim Hardin, Albert King, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters, Kenny Burrell, Wes Montgomery and Ravi Shankar LPs. In a March 1970 issue of Rolling Stone, writer John Burks reported on the apparent affinity that Jimi felt for Rahsaan: ???It???s revealing to hear Hendrix talk about jamming in London with Roland Kirk, jazz???s amazing blind multi-horn player. Jimi was in awe of Roland, afraid that he would play something that would get in Roland???s way. You can tell, by the way he speaks of Kirk, that Hendrix regards him as some kind of Master Musician. As it worked out, Jimi played what he normally plays, Roland played what he normally plays and they fit like hand in glove.???
By all accounts (including a snippet from John Kruth???s book Bright Moments: The Life & Legacy of Rahsaan Roland Kirk, which details their fabled jam at Ronnie Scott???s jazz club in London in the early part of 1967), Kirk and Jimi communicated on a mutual plane. Since Hendrix routinely layered three or more guitar parts on his recordings, he must have also felt an immediate affinity for the jazz iconoclast who could play three wind instruments at once. And Kirk???s amazing mastery of circular breathing allowed him to echo Jimi???s own sustained guitar lines. But their strongest bond came from recognizing that the blues was at the heart of their respective styles. "
Or maybe it was Jim Morrison he was getting ready to record with. Or Sly Stone, if Jimi had collaborated with Sly then Sly wouldn't have lost his groove and they would have created a whole new rocknsoul hybrid that would have overpowered disco and made punk unnecessary.
I wonder what country music would sound like if he lived longer...
He had some surprising influence as it was:
:face_melt: "he is half man, half antilope"
Based on this clip of Hendrix & Morrison jamming in 1968, that would be a bad, bad idea:
Buddy Bolden
George Gershwin
Sam Cooke
My list.
UGK was on the comeback tip after his release...hard to tell if that would have legs, though.