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Sound quality is a bit shonky to begin with, but this is a great tune. Pick Up The Pieces was the bigger hit with the o.g. two-step/ravers crowd, but this got love back in the day as well.
Slept-on.
All the rock critics raved about Money's Too Tight To Mention, but the two cuts that the soul heads were checking for on that Valentine Brothers album were this...
...and this.
Big all-nighter jam at Legend during the 80s.
This was big because it sounded a bit like Slave.
My girl Denise Johnson sings lead on this. She went on to sing with Primal Scream during the early 90s, and adheres strictly to the "what happens on the road stays on the road" rule.
From all the posted examples I get the impression that the ultra-rare indie private press environment doesn't work so got in "modern soul" than in genres like Funk or more classic soul. Most of the real obscure tracks posted here sound tacky in my ears. Perhaps it's because the rawness doesn't go along very good with the musical style of the time which is more polished than a few years earlier. I guess to create a superb recording in this vein you had to have a stronger budget at hands than most indies could afford. Correct me if I'm wrong (there might be exceptions) but most major and sub-major label releases of late seventies/ early eighties soul seem to be superior to the superobscure underground releases (and I count lables as Solar or Prelude as minor-majors).
I agree, there's a certain amount of glossiness (almost bordering on sterility) that the record needs to fit the bill in this genre. It wasn't cheap to get in a studio that could record everything really cleanly with the kinds of big reverbs and synths that you hear on a lot of these records, and to my ears it sounds off when people try to pull it off with more humble equipment and recording quality. I'm usually all for a rawer sound, but these records need that slick polished sheen to really work for me.
huh ?? prince i wanna be your lover = modern soul ?
mad jerri curl jams in here.... what some may consider to be g-funk in orgin.
seems people have the definition of modern soul twisted.... lots of "boogie and disco" posted a modern soul thread.
correct me if im wrong, but those who coined the term modern soul... usually has tons of strings...and amazing arrangements.
ever since ss changed up its look... no matter what i do, i cant get youtube clips to embed
this is the best example i can think of..
flowers "soul for real"
huh ?? prince i wanna be your lover = modern soul ?
mad jerri curl jams in here.... what some may consider to be g-funk in orgin.
seems people have the definition of modern soul twisted.... lots of "boogie and disco" posted a modern soul thread.
correct me if im wrong, but those who coined the term modern soul... usually has tons of strings...and amazing arrangements.
ever since ss changed up its look... no matter what i do, i cant get youtube clips to embed
this is the best example i can think of..
flowers "soul for real"
that shit can't get more soul. modern or whatever. the flowers shit is simply soul music.
I think it has been legitimately established that there are two types of Modern Soul, that exist in parallel mindgardens and rarely overlap.
What you are referring to is usually just called "Moddun" (with the "Soul" being understood... because Soul music is the only real music in the world innit?)
I think it has been legitimately established that there are two types of Modern Soul, that exist in parallel mindgardens and rarely overlap.
What you are referring to is usually just called "Moddun" (with the "Soul" being understood... because Soul music is the only real music in the world innit?)
my friend Matt Fox from Cologne who is heavily into "Northern" once said to me that Modern to him (and a few others) is just any kind of soul music from 1974 on (more or less). Soul till 1973 is simply Soul or Northern....it was hilarious when we were at a weekender in my town and some girl from Italy played a "Modern" tune on the "Northern" floor...he said this will lead to big discussions ;)
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
sticky_dojah said:
SportCasual said:
I think it has been legitimately established that there are two types of Modern Soul, that exist in parallel mindgardens and rarely overlap.
What you are referring to is usually just called "Moddun" (with the "Soul" being understood... because Soul music is the only real music in the world innit?)
my friend Matt Fox from Cologne who is heavily into "Northern" once said to me that Modern to him (and a few others) is just any kind of soul music from 1974 on (more or less). Soul till 1973 is simply Soul or Northern....it was hilarious when we were at a weekender in my town and some girl from Italy played a "Modern" tune on the "Northern" floor...he said this will lead to big discussions ;)
Things like this aren't wildly different from the kind of debates people were having in the early 70s when the Blackpool Mecca (effectively the birthplace of "modern") was at its height, only terms like "modern" didn't really exist then. That cut-off point didn't become firmly established as a definition until the early 80s, but a bit of a schism had developed around 1973/74, which persists to this day. Just as with the story you mention, I went to quite a few Northern nights during the 80s where playing anything "modern" was akin to farting in church. A DJ would play something like Keni Burke's Let Somebody Love You, for example, and half the dancers would disappear. It's not as if DJs like Richard Searling never played modern tunes, just that you had to be careful about playing them at dedicated Northern nights. It was out of demand for newer/less traditional sounds that you started to get "modern rooms" at more and more events.
My dude when it comes to Modern. I know he's been around since Northern was swimming around in it's dad's balls, but I only got into "Soul" (in it's widest sense) as a teenager in about 83 because I liked the stuff that had crossed over to mainstream where it was put under my nose. I speak of Luther, Freddie Jackson, Cameo, Chaka and dem. (unfortunately I was not born with fully-developed musical taste). It wasn't called "Modern" or even "R&B" back then, just "Soul".
I started listening to shows that were spinning this exclusively. Robbie Vincent on BBC R1 and Mike Shaft / Chad Jackson on Picadilly. I think Terry Linane had one on 194 Radio City in the 'Pool too. DocMc may confirm. I even started saving up for the weekend and getting to Berlin's a couple of times. Richard was on Red Rose radio - he played "Modern" in the first hour and "Northern" in the second. I didn't bite on the Northern.
Northern has never really floated my boat at face value - I suspect the tunes take on some magical quality if you busted moves at the Pier/Casino when they dropped in the Good Old Days but to my jaded ears, when spun sequentially over the airwaves, they just sound samey. I guess I feel the same way too about our current Rappse That Bang In Da Clurrrb. The party vibe that makes it work in a club doesn't translate to mp3.
Richard is well-respected in both camps though. Whatever he plays that isn't "Northern" is therefore "Modern" to me.
I didn't know there was a pre-requisite for strings to qualify soul as "Modern" doe. Not hatting, I guess it makes sense if you are trying to manage someone's expectations. I guess the later advent of disco tempos and synths makes a rekkid a "Boogie" rekkid?
Love it! I recently wanted to start a boogie group called first touch, but they've beaten me too it and made a far better job of it than i would!
DocMcCoy"Go and laugh in your own country!" 5,917 Posts
J i m s t e r said:
So,
Anita Baker - The Songstress & Rapture sets.
Modern?
Quintessentially so, esp. the first one. The second is a landmark Grown And Sexy joint, and above and beyond the big hits, Been So Long got, and continues to get, much moder love.
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Slept-on.
All the rock critics raved about Money's Too Tight To Mention, but the two cuts that the soul heads were checking for on that Valentine Brothers album were this...
...and this.
Big all-nighter jam at Legend during the 80s.
This was big because it sounded a bit like Slave.
My girl Denise Johnson sings lead on this. She went on to sing with Primal Scream during the early 90s, and adheres strictly to the "what happens on the road stays on the road" rule.
Tyrone Davis - In The Mood (Live)
Isley Bros. - Between The Sheets
Carl Carlton - This Feelings Rated Xtra
Leroy Hutson - So Nice
From all the posted examples I get the impression that the ultra-rare indie private press environment doesn't work so got in "modern soul" than in genres like Funk or more classic soul. Most of the real obscure tracks posted here sound tacky in my ears. Perhaps it's because the rawness doesn't go along very good with the musical style of the time which is more polished than a few years earlier. I guess to create a superb recording in this vein you had to have a stronger budget at hands than most indies could afford. Correct me if I'm wrong (there might be exceptions) but most major and sub-major label releases of late seventies/ early eighties soul seem to be superior to the superobscure underground releases (and I count lables as Solar or Prelude as minor-majors).
Tyrone looks faded
Awesome. Never heard of State of Grace before, but def. gonna check them out.
Here's a fave from UK Players:
(this sounds like another song that i cannot bring to mind)
R. I. P. Robert Wilson
and
mad jerri curl jams in here.... what some may consider to be g-funk in orgin.
seems people have the definition of modern soul twisted.... lots of "boogie and disco" posted a modern soul thread.
correct me if im wrong, but those who coined the term modern soul... usually has tons of strings...and amazing arrangements.
ever since ss changed up its look... no matter what i do, i cant get youtube clips to embed
this is the best example i can think of..
flowers "soul for real"
What you are referring to is usually just called "Moddun" (with the "Soul" being understood... because Soul music is the only real music in the world innit?)
http://www.soulstrut.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/45537/P0/
my friend Matt Fox from Cologne who is heavily into "Northern" once said to me that Modern to him (and a few others) is just any kind of soul music from 1974 on (more or less). Soul till 1973 is simply Soul or Northern....it was hilarious when we were at a weekender in my town and some girl from Italy played a "Modern" tune on the "Northern" floor...he said this will lead to big discussions ;)
Things like this aren't wildly different from the kind of debates people were having in the early 70s when the Blackpool Mecca (effectively the birthplace of "modern") was at its height, only terms like "modern" didn't really exist then. That cut-off point didn't become firmly established as a definition until the early 80s, but a bit of a schism had developed around 1973/74, which persists to this day. Just as with the story you mention, I went to quite a few Northern nights during the 80s where playing anything "modern" was akin to farting in church. A DJ would play something like Keni Burke's Let Somebody Love You, for example, and half the dancers would disappear. It's not as if DJs like Richard Searling never played modern tunes, just that you had to be careful about playing them at dedicated Northern nights. It was out of demand for newer/less traditional sounds that you started to get "modern rooms" at more and more events.
My dude when it comes to Modern. I know he's been around since Northern was swimming around in it's dad's balls, but I only got into "Soul" (in it's widest sense) as a teenager in about 83 because I liked the stuff that had crossed over to mainstream where it was put under my nose. I speak of Luther, Freddie Jackson, Cameo, Chaka and dem. (unfortunately I was not born with fully-developed musical taste). It wasn't called "Modern" or even "R&B" back then, just "Soul".
I started listening to shows that were spinning this exclusively. Robbie Vincent on BBC R1 and Mike Shaft / Chad Jackson on Picadilly. I think Terry Linane had one on 194 Radio City in the 'Pool too. DocMc may confirm. I even started saving up for the weekend and getting to Berlin's a couple of times. Richard was on Red Rose radio - he played "Modern" in the first hour and "Northern" in the second. I didn't bite on the Northern.
Northern has never really floated my boat at face value - I suspect the tunes take on some magical quality if you busted moves at the Pier/Casino when they dropped in the Good Old Days but to my jaded ears, when spun sequentially over the airwaves, they just sound samey. I guess I feel the same way too about our current Rappse That Bang In Da Clurrrb. The party vibe that makes it work in a club doesn't translate to mp3.
Richard is well-respected in both camps though. Whatever he plays that isn't "Northern" is therefore "Modern" to me.
I didn't know there was a pre-requisite for strings to qualify soul as "Modern" doe. Not hatting, I guess it makes sense if you are trying to manage someone's expectations. I guess the later advent of disco tempos and synths makes a rekkid a "Boogie" rekkid?
Anita Baker - The Songstress & Rapture sets.
Modern?
Quintessentially so, esp. the first one. The second is a landmark Grown And Sexy joint, and above and beyond the big hits, Been So Long got, and continues to get, much moder love.
Rapture is Post-Modern Soul.