Black Panthers Vs. Fox News

Saracenus

Well Fox has to pin the blame on someone for the loss their candidate is about to take. ACORN wasn't getting traction, so queue the Black Panthers in PA...b, 21b, 21Original Video by a Student:/b1b, 21object width="425" height="344"1param name="movie" value=""1/param1param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1/param1embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1/embed1/object1b, 21b, 21Fox Late on the Scene:/b1b, 21object width="425" height="344"1param name="movie" value=""1/param1param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1/param1embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1/embed1/object1b, 21b, 21Here is a link from an Obama Poll Watcher on the scene that basically tells the real story:b, 21a href="http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/obama_volunteer_on_scene_dispu.php" target="_blank"1http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/obama_volunteer_on_scene_dispu.php/a1b, 21b, 21Now I am just a white man from Oregon, but I got to ask, "there are still Black Panthers?" This is all Fox has got? GTFOOHWTBS!

Agent45

It's going to be an entertaining 4 years watching all manor of hate spew from Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Get your popcorn ready.

CousinLarry

I lived a few blocks from where all that happened and I can say with a fairly high level of certainty that there are no McCain supporters in that neighborhood to intimidate.

Deegreez

Great week for Philly huh?b,121Now you get to see how lawless it truly is, first the Phillies and now "imma bring my friend with me, and he'll have his nightstick."b, 21b,121/font1

Quote:/font1h,121b,121I lived a few blocks from where all that happened and I can say with a fairly high level of certainty that there are no McCain supporters in that neighborhood to intimidate. b, 21b, 21h,121

font class="post"1b,121b,121That is the Richard Allen epicenter folks, google it, not a McCain vote as far as the eye can see and beyond.

Saracenus

Now I am sure that Fox will be all over this real story of voter intimidation from Indiana... HA!b,121b, 21a href="http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081104/NEWS0502/81104001" target="_blank"1STORY/a1b, 21b, 21Relevant section:b,121/font1

Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,1212:54 PM -- Two Republican removed for challenging votersb,121b, 21The removal of two Republican election workers from a Warren Township polling site - for using improper methods to challenge voters' rights to cast a ballot - has prompted local Republican Party leaders to issue a statement of regret.b, 21b, 21The two officials - an official challenger and a clerk - were removed by unanimous vote of the Marion County Election Board.b, 21b, 21The officials were reportedly challenging voters with information obtained through party affiliation reports, which is not one of the accepted challenges such as a person's address, age or lack of ID.b, 21b, 21"We were disappointed to hear of the incident regarding these two workers. The Marion County Republican Party was not aware of these alleged activities, nor did the Party instruct any worker to engage in such behavior," Marion County Republican Party Chairman Tom John said in a statement issued at 2 p.m.b, 21b, 21"We encourage investigation by the proper authorities that may arise from this unfortunate incident. As we have always said, we wish to see all qualified voters vote and find it reprehensible to ever deter a proper voter from voting."b, 21b,121Election officials also heard reports from the Children's Museum polling site that similar challenges were being made. But when they approached the person doing that, he left the area.b,121b,121b, 21h,121

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Quote:/font1h,121b,121b, 21Now I am just a white man from Oregon, but I got to ask, "there are still Black Panthers?"b,121b,121b,121h,121

font class="post"1b,121b,121I'm also "just" a white guy, here's what Huey P. Newton says : b, 21b, 21a href="http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm" target="_blank"1http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htmb, 21b, 21-b,121b,121There Is No New Black Panther Party: An Open Letter From the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundationb,121b,121In response from numerous requests from individual's seeking information on the "New Black Panthers," the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group's exploitation of the Party's name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party's name upon itself, which we condemn.b,121b,121Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party's name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party's true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party's banner. b,121b,121Secondly, they denigrate the Party's name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party's fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara, was: "A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love." The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the "white establishment." The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.b,121b,121Furthermore, this group claims it would "teach" the black community about armed self-defense. The arrogance of this claim is overwhelmed by its reactionary nature. Blacks, especially in the South, have been armed in self-defense for a very long time; indeed, the spiritual parent of the Party itself was the Louisiana-based Deacons for Defense. However, the Party understood that the gun was not necessarily revolutionary, for the police and all other oppressive forces had guns. It was the ideology behind the gun that determined its nature. b,121b,121Because the Party believed that only the masses of people would make the revolution, the Party never presumed itself to be above the people. The Party considered itself a servant of the people and taught by example. Given massive black hunger, the Party provided free breakfast for children and other free food programs. In the absence of decent medical facilities in the black community, the Party operated free medical clinics. In the face of police brutality, the Party stood up and resisted. Considering the overwhelming number of blacks facing trials and long prison terms, the Party developed free legal aids and bussing-to-prison programs.b,121b,121The question the Foundation raises, then, is who are these people laying claim to the Party's history and name? Are they reactionary provocateurs, who would instigate activities counterproductive to the people's interests, causing mayhem and death? Are they entertainers, who would posture themselves before the media, and, according to numerous sources, with empty guns, to spin gold for themselves? Are they, given the history of their late-leader Khalid Muhammad, a group of anti-Semites like the very Ku Klux Klan they allegedly oppose? What is their agenda?b,121b,121Conditions for blacks in America today are worse than when the Black Panther Party was formed in 1966. Blacks in the main continue to live in poverty; disproportionate percentages of blacks die from AIDS and cancer, as the black infant mortality rate continues to be double that of whites. There is a desperate need for liberation agenda. The Black Panther Party unarguably set the example, espousing principles and a history that certainly should be embraced by all those still struggling for freedom. Rather than appropriating the Party's name, however, groups that purport to represent African Americans ought to follow the Party's true historical example. In the absence of such commitment, the Foundation denounces the usurpation of the Black Panther Party name by this questionable band of self-appointed leaders.b,121b,121For further reading on the Black Panther Party, please visit our website at a href="http://www.blackpanther.org." target="_blank"1www.blackpanther.org. Books by and about the Black Panthers can also be purchased online through this site. Suggested reading includes Revolutionary Suicide, To Die for the People, War Against the Panthers, This Side of Glory, and A Taste of Powerb, 21b, 21a href="http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm" target="_blank"1http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htmb, 21b, 21-

sabadabada

Christopher Coates testifies before the Commission on Civil Rights in defiance of DOJ orders not to comply with a subpoeana. This should be interesting.

Live @ 10:00 a.m.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

selperfuge

I'M SHOUTING IN BOLD

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white_tea

sabadabada said:

Christopher Coates testifies before the Commission on Civil Rights in defiance of DOJ orders not to comply with a subpoeana. This should be interesting.

Live @ 10:00 a.m.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

Some of the folks at my work turn on FOX News on the TV in the cafeteria and that's where I kept hearing this story. I didn't think it was possible, but the constant harping on this non-story honestly gave the network less credibility. To put some of this Black Panther folks on TV and just pound them with questions and wait for them to say something questionable is just ridiculous. It's somehow not serving FOX News' audience and that's really saying something -- that the Right Wing, Tea Party folks actually cannot get any news value out of this piece and would be better served paying attention to something else is really quite remarkable. Cheers, FOX News -- you've really outdid yourself this time.

P.S. John Stewart or whoever called Bill O'Reilly FOX 1.0 was spot on.

sabadabada

white_tea said:

sabadabada said:

Christopher Coates testifies before the Commission on Civil Rights in defiance of DOJ orders not to comply with a subpoeana. This should be interesting.

Live @ 10:00 a.m.

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

Some of the folks at my work turn on FOX News on the TV in the cafeteria and that's where I kept hearing this story. I didn't think it was possible, but the constant harping on this non-story honestly gave the network less credibility. To put some of this Black Panther folks on TV and just pound them with questions and wait for them to say something questionable is just ridiculous. It's somehow not serving FOX News' audience and that's really saying something -- that the Right Wing, Tea Party folks actually cannot get any news value out of this piece and would be better served paying attention to something else is really quite remarkable. Cheers, FOX News -- you've really outdid yourself this time.

P.S. John Stewart or whoever called Bill O'Reilly FOX 1.0 was spot on.

Well this non-story is now before a congressional civil rights panel and it sounds pretty much like the federal government now refuses to enforce the race-neutral voting rights laws against minorities.

And the guy testifying is a former ACLU lawyer and recipient of the NAACP Thurogood Marshall Award.

white_tea

sabadabada said:

and it sounds pretty much like the federal government now refuses to enforce the race-neutral voting rights laws against minorities.

Orly? I'd say I was curious to know if the voter tally declined at that particular precinct but I think we already know the answer. But, Saba says, if only one voter, if one voter at all was intimated by those combat boots-wearing Panthers, then something must be done, has to be done. Someone wanted to vote that day -- perhaps Lyndon Larouche himself lost a vote that day -- and they didn't because the scene in the parking lot was that intimidating. And the DOJ wants nothing to do with it because a Black Panther Barack Hussein Obama is president. I bet you can't even say the words "race-neutral voting rights laws against minorities" without smirking.

sabadabada

Why dont you start by reading the actual statute, then learn the actual facts and then give another crack at saying something relevant.

sabadabada

I mean, just come out and say that you think it's okay because you support the outcome. But don't try to pretend that it's supportable by the consistent application of the law because then you're just wasting everyone's time.

white_tea

I don't think so. Like I said in my original post, I believe it's a non-story. Maybe if FOX News keeps talking about it for another two years, something will come to light that will change that fact. But, point taken Saba, this will be my last post in the thread.

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white_tea said:

sabadabada said:

and it sounds pretty much like the federal government now refuses to enforce the race-neutral voting rights laws against minorities.

Orly? I'd say I was curious to know if the voter tally declined at that particular precinct but I think we already know the answer. But, Saba says, if only one voter, if one voter at all was intimated by those combat boots-wearing Panthers, then something must be done, has to be done. Someone wanted to vote that day -- perhaps Lyndon Larouche himself lost a vote that day -- and they didn't because the scene in the parking lot was that intimidating. And the DOJ wants nothing to do with it because a Black Panther Barack Hussein Obama is president. I bet you can't even say the words "race-neutral voting rights laws against minorities" without smirking.

As I understood it there was no complaining voter. Has this changed?

Nice job of prophecy by Agent45, even if it wasn't a tough call.

luck

Relatively speaking, a total non-story. Saba, I'm surprised that you fell for this one; they've been flogging this for two years and have devoted well over one hundred segments to this topic. It's an Exotic story, that's for sure. Dude: If this rag-tag wannabe outfit shouldn't have done it, they shouldn't have done it, but It's an issue for the local sheriffs and not some National Conspiracy on par with the former well-documented decades-long Southern intimidation strategy, which actually was a national conspiracy. Jesus Christ, what thin fucking racial gruel this is.

Got yourself wagged, bud. You can always tell the FOX-watchers when they start the parallel-universe talk.

Unless your only purpose in this post was to wind up SS with your inherently-loaded, racialist topic, and then: mission accomplished, Glenn Beck.