Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121The idea that black voters are racist if they are turning out for Obama solely because he's also black is a gross oversimplification of... everything.b,121b,121It presumes that these black folks would be voting for McCain if Obama was white. I don't have to remind anyone that black voters are in the vast majority Democratic and that the "if Obama was white then..." scenario would most likely result in many of them simply staying home, rather than voting for the other party.b,121b,121Doesn't hold water. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121JP....I didn't say these were black voters.b,121b,121ANYONE casting a vote strictly based on race and race alone is racist.b,121b,121On both sides of the aisle. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121b,121So who are we talking about here? Self-hating whites? Novelty whores? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Originally we were talking about someone who said they are not voting being accused of probably being racist.b,121b,121I pointed out that a REAL racist would vote AGAINST Obama, not stay home.b,121b,121And I added that ANYONE who casts a vote based strictly on a candidates race is racist by the definition of the word. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Your logic is a flawed and simplistic breakdown of semantics, and by your definition a woman voting for Hilary would mean simply voting for her by virtue of being a woman would be sexist. This is simplistic and holds no water. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121No, a woman who is ONLY voting for Hillary because she is a woman is sexist.
Race might be an issue in this election (hopefully not) but I had a thought today that it seems to be more about generational change. We've had the old white guys driving the car for too long. We're lost in the wilderness, running on empty, the car's falling apart. It's time to bring the young smart guy/gals with fresh ideas into the driver's seat. Who cares if they're black, white, latino, asian, whatever?? Dad needs to hand over the keys and steering wheel. It's time for a positive CHANGE dammit.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121The idea that black voters are racist if they are turning out for Obama solely because he's also black is a gross oversimplification of... everything.b,121b,121It presumes that these black folks would be voting for McCain if Obama was white. I don't have to remind anyone that black voters are in the vast majority Democratic and that the "if Obama was white then..." scenario would most likely result in many of them simply staying home, rather than voting for the other party.b,121b,121Doesn't hold water. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121JP....I didn't say these were black voters.b,121b,121ANYONE casting a vote strictly based on race and race alone is racist.b,121b,121On both sides of the aisle. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121b,121So who are we talking about here? Self-hating whites? Novelty whores? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Originally we were talking about someone who said they are not voting being accused of probably being racist.b,121b,121I pointed out that a REAL racist would vote AGAINST Obama, not stay home.b,121b,121And I added that ANYONE who casts a vote based strictly on a candidates race is racist by the definition of the word. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121I'm going to vote for Obama, I think he's clearly the better choice, but I have respect for some of my friends who aren't voting in this election, or any election. b,121b,121I'm deeply distrustful of authority, and don't have faith in our system to create the change that we need no matter who is in charge. In fact I take issue with the whole mentality that we should trust some giant state and a giant government to solve our problems. Power corrupts. Our government is responsible scores of totally reprehensible atrocities committed in the name of the American people. I have a deep respect for anyone who is committed to living outside the system for this reason, and does not want to participate in this election, or any election.b,121b,121If you are going to participate, and you're thinking of voting for McCain, then you're either ignorant or an asshole.
If someone votes for a candidate simply based on race, it does not make them a racist, but that act in itself is racial discrimination. And if McCain becomes a victim of racial discrimination in the general election of the United States, it will be the most beautiful irony ever.b, 21b, 21But like Jonny said, that's a vast oversimplification and the logic that presumes that such a decision is being made on the part of the voter is inherently flawed.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121I'm voting for Obama.....not because he's black, but because I believe he is the best candidate who can help our country more than McCain can.b,121b,121If every single person voting is choosing their candidate based on those reasons, great.b,121b,121I don't think they are...and I think anyone who votes for McCain just because he's white is a racist.......and to stay consistant I have to say the same thing about the equal and opposite action.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121Race might be an issue in this election (hopefully not) but I had a thought today that it seems to be more about generational change. We've had the old white guys driving the car for too long. We're lost in the wilderness, running on empty, the car's falling apart. It's time to bring the young smart guy/gals with fresh ideas into the driver's seat. Who cares if they're black, white, latino, asian, whatever?? Dad needs to hand over the keys and steering wheel. It's time for a positive CHANGE dammit. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121IM sorry...we need a sexy black man in office..TAKE THAT SOULSTRUT!!!!!b,121b,121every time Obama says caucus... img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bizzo.gif" alt=""1/1b,121b,121b, 21 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/581.gif" alt=""1/1
F*ck ALL THIS "ISM" AN "IST" BULLSHIT.b,121b,121I suppose someone who doesnt want to vote for tMcCain because he is old and might die in office is a "age-ist"....now your fear of a lunatic like Palin being presient makes you an "age-ist"b,121b,121b, 21F*ck this.b,121b,121Anyone can come up with self-serving definitions of racism, sexism, etc....an anyone who thinks their definition is the true one is a self-important blowhard who thinks they have it all figured out...guess what, you dont, no one does...
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121The idea that black voters are racist if they are turning out for Obama solely because he's also black is a gross oversimplification of... everything.b,121b,121It presumes that these black folks would be voting for McCain if Obama was white. I don't have to remind anyone that black voters are in the vast majority Democratic and that the "if Obama was white then..." scenario would most likely result in many of them simply staying home, rather than voting for the other party.b,121b,121Doesn't hold water. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121JP....I didn't say these were black voters.b,121b,121ANYONE casting a vote strictly based on race and race alone is racist.b,121b,121On both sides of the aisle. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121If Obama was a black republican things would be a hell of a lot different. b, 21b, 21"hi guys"b,121img src="http://guweb2.gonzaga.edu/~dewolf/keyes.jpg"1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121The idea that black voters are racist if they are turning out for Obama solely because he's also black is a gross oversimplification of... everything.b,121b,121It presumes that these black folks would be voting for McCain if Obama was white. I don't have to remind anyone that black voters are in the vast majority Democratic and that the "if Obama was white then..." scenario would most likely result in many of them simply staying home, rather than voting for the other party.b,121b,121Doesn't hold water. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121JP....I didn't say these were black voters.b,121b,121ANYONE casting a vote strictly based on race and race alone is racist.b,121b,121On both sides of the aisle. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121If Obama was a black republican things would be a hell of a lot different. b, 21b, 21"hi guys"b,121img src="http://guweb2.gonzaga.edu/~dewolf/keyes.jpg"1 b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121It would test the mettle of many people wouldn't it?
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Jesus, I agree completely with Eli. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121That had to hurt. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Nah man, doesn't hurt at all. Right is right you know? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Dude......you accused someone of being racist because they said they are not gonna vote.b,121b,121That's right??
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121The idea that black voters are racist if they are turning out for Obama solely because he's also black is a gross oversimplification of... everything.b,121b,121It presumes that these black folks would be voting for McCain if Obama was white. I don't have to remind anyone that black voters are in the vast majority Democratic and that the "if Obama was white then..." scenario would most likely result in many of them simply staying home, rather than voting for the other party.b,121b,121Doesn't hold water. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121JP....I didn't say these were black voters.b,121b,121ANYONE casting a vote strictly based on race and race alone is racist.b,121b,121On both sides of the aisle. b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121If Obama was a black republican things would be a hell of a lot different. b, 21b, 21"hi guys"b,121img src="http://guweb2.gonzaga.edu/~dewolf/keyes.jpg"1 b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121It would test the mettle of many people wouldn't it? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121If by many people you mean racist republicans, then yes. Other than that, hell to the nah. b, 21b, 21Black people would NEVER vote for Alan Keyes. Do we support Clarence Thomas?
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121JP....I didn't say these were black voters.b,121b,121ANYONE casting a vote strictly based on race and race alone is racist.b,121b,121On both sides of the aisle. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121One of the basic tenets of Rock A Logic is that issues should be debated without context. b, 21b, 21Racism: "The notion that one's own ethic stock is superior." American Heritage Dictionary or the English Language. (desk copy)b,121b,121If you are white and are voting for Obama just because he is Black by definition you are not racist, by definition. b,121b,121If you are Black and you are voting for Obama because he is Black that does not mean you are racist. It could mean that you believe that you believe that our nation would benefit from having a Black president based on history, the need for positive Black role models or because you think we need more balance between Black and white in government. None of those reasons would be racist. But they would give the vote context. b, 21b, 21The idea that liberals or people on this board would have a hard time voting against a Black person is ridiculous. There is no love for Condi Rice, Michael Steele or Alan Keys here.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b, 21Racism: "The notion that one's own ethic stock is superior." American Heritage Dictionary or the English Language. (desk copy)b,121b,121 b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121Mirriam Websterb,121b, 21Racism : racial predjudice or discrimination. (online copy)b,121b,121If a dumbass votes for McCain for the sole reason that he's white he's a racist.b,121b,121If a dumbass votes for Obama for the sole reason that he's black he's a "fill in the blank"b,121b,121You fill in the blank and I promise to use that phrase from here on out.
b,121Well I've done my own, non-Jewish schlepp, and just spent the best part of $40 on the phone trying to convince my dad to vote for Obama. My dad would vote for Clinton, or Gore, but suddenly his Democratic leanings have left him (or 'righted' him). It's not that he likes McCain, he knows McCain would probably result in an indefinite period of occupation in the middle east, and as a vietnam vet he sees it as the same sh*t, different decade, and feels McCain also sees it the same way, but as some misguided chance to purge a stain on America's (and McCain's) military record... but he can't 'trust' Obama.b,121 I've tried telling my dad to forget the years he spent growing up in Mississippi, Obama doesn't resent you, even if life in the south was/is an us & them, black & white world...b,121my dad's main concerns are about the economy. So I tried telling him that as the world/b1 economy is all inter-linked, while Obama would bring about consumer confidence, McCain would puncture any lingering hopes.b,121I tried all sorts of things, I'm not saying he didn't listen, but his silence on why/b1 he doesn't feel empathy with Obama speaks volumes, and I'm left wondering what else I can say. Any body have any good, realistic ideas?
Quote:/font1h,121b,121paging david sedaris... b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121for anyone who didn't read last week's new yorker, sedaris said, and i'm paraphrasing slightly:b,121b,121"If you are undecided in this/b1 race, its kind of like going on an airplane and having the stewardess tell you that you have 2 choices: the chicken, or a plate of shit with bits of glass pieces in it. Now, if after hearing your choices, you were to ask her how the chicken is cooked, that's where i would currently put undecided voters."b,121b,121he ended the piece by saying - "even if you'd rather have the plate of shit, that still doesn't cover the bits of glass pieces."b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/green30sv.gif" alt=""1/1 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/f-u.gif" alt=""1/1 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/oj.gif" alt=""1/1
Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Well I've done my own, non-Jewish schlepp, and just spent the best part of $40 on the phone trying to convince my dad to vote for Obama. My dad would vote for Clinton, or Gore, but suddenly his Democratic leanings have left him (or 'righted' him). It's not that he likes McCain, he knows McCain would probably result in an indefinite period of occupation in the middle east, and as a vietnam vet he sees it as the same sh*t, different decade, and feels McCain also sees it the same way, but as some misguided chance to purge a stain on America's (and McCain's) military record... but he can't 'trust' Obama.b,121 I've tried telling my dad to forget the years he spent growing up in Mississippi, Obama doesn't resent you, even if life in the south was/is an us & them, black & white world...b,121my dad's main concerns are about the economy. So I tried telling him that as the world/b1 economy is all inter-linked, while Obama would bring about consumer confidence, McCain would puncture any lingering hopes.b,121I tried all sorts of things, I'm not saying he didn't listen, but his silence on why/b1 he doesn't feel empathy with Obama speaks volumes, and I'm left wondering what else I can say. Any body have any good, realistic ideas? b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121This deserves it's own thread. People convincing friends and family to vote for Obama. b,121b,121I have not tried to convince any one except HC. And that was foolish. Fortunately most my friends and family are on board.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121The idea that black voters are racist if they are turning out for Obama solely because he's also black is a gross oversimplification of... everything.b,121b,121It presumes that these black folks would be voting for McCain if Obama was white. I don't have to remind anyone that black voters are in the vast majority Democratic and that the "if Obama was white then..." scenario would most likely result in many of them simply staying home, rather than voting for the other party.b,121b,121Doesn't hold water. b, 21b, 21h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121JP....I didn't say these were black voters.b,121b,121ANYONE casting a vote strictly based on race and race alone is racist.b,121b,121On both sides of the aisle. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121If Obama was a black republican things would be a hell of a lot different. b,121b,121"hi guys"b,121img src="http://guweb2.gonzaga.edu/~dewolf/keyes.jpg"1 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121It would test the mettle of many people wouldn't it? b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121If by many people you mean racist republicans, then yes. Other than that, hell to the nah. b, 21b, 21Black people would NEVER vote for Alan Keyes. Do we support Clarence Thomas? b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121white democrat Ed Rendell easily defeated black REpublican wide reciever Lynn Swann couple years back to be PA governor. blacks and philadelphia resoundlingly voted democratic
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121If a dumbass votes for Obama for the sole reason that he's black he's a "fill in the blank"b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I wouldn't fill in the blank until I knew the context. Based on the context you give I would say he is a "dumbass". b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121b,121I am discriminating against the crusty old dude and the out of touch naive broad b, 21because he is old and crusty and she is out of touch and naive. b, 21b, 21Actually, Age discrimination probably isn't anything to mess around with, maybe I should just say I am voting for the smart one. b,121b,121I am anti-dumbass either way and I guess that makes me a Hatter.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121If a dumbass votes for Obama for the sole reason that he's black he's a "fill in the blank"b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121I wouldn't fill in the blank until I knew the context. Based on the context you give I would say he is a "dumbass". b, 21b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Agreed...they are both dumbasses.
Quote:/font1h,121b,121Talking bout people WOULD vote for Keyes BECAUSE he's black is bullshit. b,121b,121h,121
font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121yes. let me remind everyone that hillary was up heavy among black voters until obama took iowa. she had over 50% of the black vote at a time when obama was polling close to even with her on a national level. he was a very legitimate candidate and blacks, overall, were still partial to hillary.
It is EXTRAORDINARILY racist and insulting to continually hold up this idea that black people are only voting for Obama because he is black, and bring it up everytime a black person expresses some kind of enthusiasm over the possibility of having a black president. Truly some shameful sh*t that discounts the idea that black people vote based on the issues.
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