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Jeff Chang and yours truly on Obama and hip hop

VitaminVitamin 631 Posts
edited October 2008 in Strut Central
a href="http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/15474#" target="_blank"1http://bloggingheads.tv/diavlogs/15474#b, 21b,121a few soulstrut references. b,121b, 21At 29:50 there is a brief discussion of the native america rap incident. b,121b, 21At 57:30 I seek Chang's opinion of Soudbombing 2.
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  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
    Tell Chang "hui, we go eat".
  • spencergroovnycespencergroovnyce 189 Posts
    PAINFUL. AT LEAST YOUR RAP WAS LESS THAN 15 MINUTES!b,121b,121Stick to the printed medium, Mr Dumpty. And please start collecting bonerz or something. [/cringe]
  • VitaminVitamin 631 Posts
    why you gotta be dick?
  • rascmonrascmon 441 Posts
    please apologize for your face
  • PATXPATX 2,820 Posts
    Because you look like a Fleischer/McClellan lovechild?
  • ThermosThermos 307 Posts
    Damn you guys are mean!
  • ThermosThermos 307 Posts
    img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3231/2984951206_8c974416bc.jpg"1
  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
    lawrd blogs are bad enough; they let little dudes the world over become "published" interweb authors. b,121b, 21this videoblogging trend is even worse!b,121b,121Jeff is dude though.
  • FamousMortimerFamousMortimer 201 Posts
    "ELI YOU'RE A KEYSTYLER?!"
  • ThermosThermos 307 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121Jeff is dude though. b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121I heartily agree. Can't Stop Won't Stop is still one of the best books ever written on hip-hop.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    LOL at Jeff's "I'm not Oliver Wang" bit. b,121b,121BTW, not to knock here but an hour-long v-log convo would work better as a podcast, no? The visual element here doesn't add much and I can't imagine who'd sit for an hour through any conversation with such static visuals.
  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121BTW, not to knock here but an hour-long v-log convo would work better as a podcast, no? The visual element here doesn't add much and I can't imagine who'd sit for an hour through any conversation with such static visuals and smoking of unlit cigarette./b1 b,121b,121h,121
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  • hogginthefogghogginthefogg 6,098 Posts
    After hearing him pronounce your name, I have to ask: does Jeff pronounce his own last name "Chong"?
  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    some evil liberal stole vitamin's hair.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121After hearing him pronounce your name, I have to ask: does Jeff pronounce his own last name "Chong"? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121There's no Chinese surname that's actually pronounced as "Wang" (rhymes with bang). b,121b,121There are, however, two completely different surnames that sound like "Wong" but are different words.b,121b, 21Wang = "king" (this is my family surname)b,121Wong = "yellow" b,121b, 21Wong is also the same name as Huang, the difference being that people who use the name Wong tend to come from the South whereas Huang is associated with Chinese immigrants from other parts of China or Taiwan.b,121b,121a href="http://www.generasian.ca/roots_wong.html" target="_blank"1http://www.generasian.ca/roots_wong.htmlb,121b,121In the case of "Wang/Wong" - Wongs came to the U.S. in large numbers during the 19th century; Wangs are (I think) a relatively more recent immigrant wave and when they got here, they wanted to distinguish themselves from the Wongs since, again, we're talking about completely different names.b,121b,121In Jeff's case, I don't know anything about the genealogy of his family name but chances are, it's probably actually pronounced "Chang" or maybe more like "Chung" (probably not like "Chong"). b,121b,121Personally, I pronounce my surname as "Wang" with non-Chinese (since I want them to spell my name right) but I use the "o" pronunciation amongst real Chinese headz who know the deal.
  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    Interesing... the Korean last name Huang also means yellow. Which is kinda funny in a totally racist way.b,121b,121Kim means gold.b,121b,121I forgot what Lee and Pak mean.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121Interesing... the Korean last name Huang also means yellow. b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121Yeah, I'm assuming it's all from the same origins since the Korean peninsula was mostly populated by tribes who originated in what we now know as China and Mongolia. b,121b,121Park/Pak, however, has distinctly Korean origins.
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121I can't imagine who'd sit for an hour through any conversation with such static visuals. b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121They should rock keytars to go with their hands-free mics. And be-glittered harem hammer pants.
  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121 b,121b,121Park/Pak, however, has distinctly Korean origins. b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121I'm pretty sure that came from China too. Only because most korean names can be written in chinese symbols. But honestly my wife's name is Pak and I have no idea what symbol or meaning it is.b,121b,121There is the possibily that it was a pre-existing pak that was appromiximate with a chinese character. Actually, I don't really think thats possible. Thats ridiculous!
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121 b,121b,121Park/Pak, however, has distinctly Korean origins. b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121I'm pretty sure that came from China too. Only because most korean names can be written in chinese symbols. But honestly my wife's name is Pak and I have no idea what symbol or meaning it is.b,121b,121There is the possibily that it was a pre-existing pak that was appromiximate with a chinese character. Actually, I don't really think thats possible. Thats ridiculous! b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_(Korean_name)" target="_blank"1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_(Korean_name)b,121b,121b,121The fact that its written with Chinese symbols is besides the point of its origins. Korean written language is an off-shoot of China's - just like Japan's - which is why the kanji lettering is so similar in all three cultures. b,121b, 21Family surnames however are a different story and they are unrelated to the form in which the spelling takes, just like how Anglo-Saxon surnames and Spanish surnames use the same alphabet.
  • hogginthefogghogginthefogg 6,098 Posts
    I figured as much. In Cantonese, Wong (low falling tone) means both "king" and "yellow." It just surprised me to hear him pronounce your name that way, as I'd never anyone pronounce it as such.b,121b,121Pesky Romanization!
  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121Korean written language is an off-shoot of China's - just like Japan's - which is why the kanji lettering is so similar in all three cultures. b,121b, 21 b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121I'll concede with the Pak thing, but this ^^^ is WRONG DIGGITYY DONG.b,121b,121b,121Koreans could only write with Chinese until they got their own alphabet. As the story goes, King Sejong the Great commissioned scholars to great a written alphabet that was easy to use so that the common people could have access to knowledge. Chinese words, even though koreanized in pronounciation, were (and to a big dregree still are) considered high-level words. the so-called "kanji" (I hate that term unless wer are strictly speaking about japan) drawing is the same as in china. b,121b, 21b,121Alot of the pronunciation is very similar too, even after all these years. Do-so-gwan means library, for example.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121I figured as much. In Cantonese, Wong (low falling tone) means both "king" and "yellow." It just surprised me to hear him pronounce your name that way, as I'd never anyone pronounce it as such.b,121b,121Pesky Romanization! b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121Yeah - phonetically, Wang vs. Wong/Huang are so close that it's hard to tell them apart. I don't know how Cantonese spell Wang though - or if it's just "Wang". b,121b, 21"I'd never anyone pronounce it as such."b,121b,121Really? I actually get asked that all the time, including by my NPR editors who are apparently up on the variations on pronunciation. I usually tell them, "either is fine by me."
  • dayday 9,612 Posts
    Vitamin: "Do you know Soulstrut?"b,121b,121Jeff Chang: "Soulstrut? Of course! Everyone knows Soulstrut."b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/freeway.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121That reminds me, how many hits does this place get a day?* b,121b, 21b,121b,121 [color:white1 * s]page PM me!--color--1/font1
  • UnherdUnherd 1,880 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121Because you look like a Fleischer/McClellan lovechild? b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/oof.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121Y'all really want Dolo to be the only conservative around here huh? I'm getting much more of Eugene Mirman vibe anyway.. img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121b,121So this was a pretty good listen, made for excellent train listening (for anyone talmbout static visuals, the site offers an mp3 download.) Thanks for posting this.b,121b,121b,121Eli, to some degree I hear you about liberals seeing racism behind every tree, and I know I've tried to be careful about making that charge this cycle. But I also think your minimizing what has actually taken place during this campaign. Not every racist message has to be as explicit as Wallace or Helms. Choosing to use the word "terrorists" when were talking about this tenuous association to a single 60's radical is clearly a coded message designed to inspire fear. Ayers has nothing to do with the real terrorists of 2008, and using the plural "terrorists" and asking "who is he really???" when talking about someone named Barack Husein Obama is a pretty clear dog whistle conjuring fears of non-white boogie men. It's not as offensive as your historical examples of racist campaigns, but is that really the standard to judge against in 2008? It really just speaks to how desperate the McCain campaign has been to not talk about any issue beyond socialism and the surge. Don't you think they could've used the words extremist or radical, except that that wouldn't be nearly as effective at stoking white fears?
  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Yeah - phonetically, Wang vs. Wong/Huang are so close that it's hard to tell them apart. I don't know how Cantonese spell Wang though - or if it's just "Wang". b,121b, 21"I'd never anyone pronounce it as such."b,121b, 21Really? I actually get asked that all the time, including by my NPR editors who are apparently up on the variations on pronunciation. I usually tell them, "either is fine by me." b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121At least it's just Wang. I continue to get Buck, Bock, and Brook. Maybe that'll be my next Medeski, Martin & Wood-type project.
  • UnherdUnherd 1,880 Posts
    Just to add, I'm reading now that a McCain radio ad is saying Obama will "rob" you of your health care. Again, a lot of this is very subtle, but these scripts are pored over, and I think the implications are purposeful. When Obama says McCain is "losing his bearings", I think this is the same kind of toeing-the-line coded message. Of course, implying that someone is to old to be president is better then saying someone is too black, or too much of a terrorist to be prez, but I'm trying to be fair and balanced here....
  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Because you look like a Fleischer/McClellan lovechild? b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/oof.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121Y'all really want Dolo to be the only conservative around here huh? I'm getting much more of Eugene Mirman vibe anyway.. img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121b,121So this was a pretty good listen, made for excellent train listening (for anyone talmbout static visuals, the site offers an mp3 download.) Thanks for posting this.b,121b,121b,121Eli, to some degree I hear you about liberals seeing racism behind every tree, and I know I've tried to be careful about making that charge this cycle. But I also think your minimizing what has actually taken place during this campaign. Not every racist message has to be as explicit as Wallace or Helms. Choosing to use the word "terrorists" when were talking about this tenuous association to a single 60's radical is clearly a coded message designed to inspire fear. Ayers has nothing to do with the real terrorists of 2008, and using the plural "terrorists" and asking "who is he really???" when talking about someone named Barack Husein Obama is a pretty clear dog whistle conjuring fears of non-white boogie men. It's not as offensive as your historical examples of racist campaigns, but is that really the standard to judge against in 2008? It really just speaks to how desperate the McCain campaign has been to not talk about any issue beyond socialism and the surge. Don't you think they could've used the words extremist or radical, except that that wouldn't be nearly as effective at stoking white fears? b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,1211) V I think you should do a little more scratching the surface. In 1988 Bush ran an ad known as the Willie Horton ad. Liberals cried racism, but the Bush supporters made the same claims you are now. Before he died the ads creator (Lee Atwater? who was a crate digger) apologized and admitted that of course the ad was deliberately and consciously racist. b,121b, 212) Calling Obama a terrorist, saying he pals around with terrorist and emphasizing the foreignness of his name (all things the McCain campaign has done) is racist. This racism is not aimed at American Blacks as much as it is at Muslims and Arabs. This is something that should concern you deeply.b,121b,121This election is already lost for you guys. Almost all the conservative intellectuals (and non-intellectuals like Rich Lowery) have jumped ship. You should do your self a favor and admit this is racism and speak out. I predict that McCain will acknowledge this racism and apologize before Jan 20th. You don't want to be standing alone with Mike Savage defending the indefensible. b,121b, 213) Just because hip-hop is obsessed with consumerism (or aspirational if you prefer) does not make it conservative in terms of foreign policy or social issues. Many white educated liberals reject consumerism, but the Democratic party does not in any way. In fact what Obama and Biden talk about most is the aspirations of the middle class. b,121b, 21Thank you for posting this. Your bravery in putting yourself out there always surprise me.
  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    there is always a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121Korean written language is an off-shoot of China's - just like Japan's - which is why the kanji lettering is so similar in all three cultures. b,121b, 21 b,121b, 21h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121I'll concede with the Pak thing, but this ^^^ is WRONG DIGGITYY DONG.b,121b,121b,121Koreans could only write with Chinese until they got their own alphabet. As the story goes, King Sejong the Great commissioned scholars to great a written alphabet that was easy to use so that the common people could have access to knowledge. Chinese words, even though koreanized in pronounciation, were (and to a big dregree still are) considered high-level words. the so-called "kanji" (I hate that term unless wer are strictly speaking about japan) drawing is the same as in china. b,121b, 21b, 21Alot of the pronunciation is very similar too, even after all these years. Do-so-gwan means library, for example. b,121b, 21h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/know.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121But is it "wrong diggityy dong" or "wrong diggityy dang"? img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /1
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