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riaa's only win declared a mistrial

kalakala 3,361 Posts
edited October 2008 in Strut Central
suprised we didn't hear more about thisb,121lord knows we heard a lot in the mainstream media when they thought they "won"b,121serves them right-greedy douchebagsb,121and props to that lady for having big enough ovaries to not settle out of court for 10k like all of the other sheep that were scared and herded into that decision by those scumbagsb,121b,121a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080924/2255532365.shtml" target="_blank"1http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080924/2255532365.shtml/a1
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  • keithvanhornkeithvanhorn 3,855 Posts
    yea, those sheep who paid 10k for clearly violating the law. what are you talking about??????? do you have any clue how expensive it is to hire a lawyer, the RIAA is generous for offering 10k settlements. its no mystery that stealing music is against the law. true, its unbelievably convenient...but that doesn't make it legal. who are the "greedy douchebags"??? the musicians and song writers who create art that we steal?
  • DJBombjackDJBombjack Miami 1,665 Posts
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    b,121create art that we steal?
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121So you're admitting you steal music.
  • keithvanhornkeithvanhorn 3,855 Posts
    yes
  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
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    b,121yea, those sheep who paid 10k for clearly violating the law.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Where is the legal precedent for "clearly violating the law"?b,121b,121I would think that if it were clear the RIAA could win a few cases. b,121b,121And why should I believe anything a "greedy douchbag" like you says anyway?
  • keithvanhornkeithvanhorn 3,855 Posts
    Every legal decision in every federal court that i am aware of has found that it is illegal to....steal music. I'm surprised people needed a court to tell them that, and in fact, the only legal nuance has been related to whether it is illegal to share music, which of course, it is. b,121b,121This is hardly the RIAA's only legal win. Defendants settle because they have no case and 10k is a gift considering the actual legal penalties. b,121b,121A mistrial was granted in this case, but that doesn't mean the RIAA won't win after it gets remanded. If the article says "only win", I think the might have missed the NAPSTER case, which I believe was affirmed by the Supreme Court. They probably are referring to civil cases against individuals.
  • kalakala 3,361 Posts
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b,121whoose side are you on dicky?
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    b,121whoose side are you on dicky?
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121RIAA it seems.
  • kalakala 3,361 Posts
    i remember pre cdb,121lps were like 8-9.99 for a new release,maybe 12-14 bucks for a double lp b,121mind you .....the consumer was getting something real,something that took up space and had fidelity,maybe a poster postcards,stickers,whatever-something tangeble that looked like art and you could hang on a wall...etcb,121see kiss alive 2,exile on main street whateverb,121b,121when cds came out[these tiny lil pieces of crap and the jewel case always breaks,art is small etc] they were priced basically the sameb,121then all of the sudden they shot up and stayed at 16.99 to 19.99 everywhereb,121then there was that price fixing lawsuit against all of the major retailers[tower,sam goody ,strawberry,coconuts etc]b,121cds cost f*cking pennies to make in the tens of thousandsb,121so here are the labelsb,121ripping off the artists and the public for as long as the industry has been functioning [especially the artists]b,121b,121finally the playing field is leveld by technology and the natural karmic circle is completedb,121b,121they had all of the file sharing folls in one place-napsterb,121they could have easily converted that into a pay service but they were greedy and didn'tb,121it took them 10 years to figure this shit out as evidenced by the new revamped myspace music thingb,121b,121in the meantime they go hog wild suing some 11 year old girl down loading barney songs on kaza at her granma's house and chasing after a poor soccer mom in the middle of the country for 220,000 clamsb,121thats justice served?b,121gtfoohwtb b,121how fuccking pathetic and desperateb,121b,121so to conclude my disjointed run on illogical reactionary tiradeb,121fucck the riaab,121fuckk keith van dork in the ear/ass/dickhole/mouth/naval and eye socketsb,121fucck the majorsb,121long live file sharing,indy record companies like dischord etc etc
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
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  • JLRJLR 3,835 Posts
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    b,121long live file sharing,indy record companies and angry management disorder
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  • JLRJLR 3,835 Posts
    oh yeah, I'm Jorge KKKunt Ruiz, I drive a SUV, my wife is fat and I have no life
  • JLRJLR 3,835 Posts
    and now this global financial crisis, greedy scumbags fuckk them in their nose, I will fight them typing angry posts on a message board, cause I make dreams come true
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Fukk_grillz drives a SUV and puts asbestos in little kids icecreams
  • kalakala 3,361 Posts
    do they have jenny craig in south amerikkka Jorge KKKunt Ruiz,?
  • ariel_calmerariel_calmer 3,762 Posts
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    b,121and now this global financial crisis, greedy scumbags fuckk them in their nose, I will fight them typing angry posts on a message board, cause I make dreams come true
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121This may be the most poetic thing I've ever read on a message board.
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    b,121Fukk_grillz drives a SUV and puts asbestos in little kids icecreams
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^b,121BELIEVES ADJECTIVES RELATING TO SHIPS OR SHIPPING ALSO DESCRIBE WHAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS A "BELLY BUTTON"
  • kalakala 3,361 Posts
    ??∆?????????????∞?????????≠??????????????????∞???????π?????????????∑??????∂????˙∆˚?????????≥≤????∫√??≈Ωb,121DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE JOKES THE BIG DUDES ON SOULSTRUT MAKE BECAUSE HE IS TOO BUSY MAKING DREAMS COME TRUE,BEING ANGRY AND IN GENERAL A TOTAL MACK"
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
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    b,121Fukk_grillz drives a SUV and puts asbestos in little kids icecreams
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121I believe kala already made clear that I drive a BMW. And I spend my weekends playing golf.
  • kalakala 3,361 Posts
    faux_rillz=the bill o'reilly[and not olberman!!} of hip hopb,121b,121b,121a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=faux_rillz&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8" target="_blank"1http://www.google.com/search?q=faux_rillz&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8/a1
  • hemolhemol 2,578 Posts
    Hate to disrupt all the girlish banter, and witttty barbs (dudes), but contingent to the original topic, major labels are outmoded. b,121b,121The idea that filesharing should be illegal seems preposterous to me. In time will probably seem like Prohibition does now. If you're a capitalist, as major labels are, then you submit to the laws of capitalism. Clearly people will not pay for what they can have for free. There was a time when music could not be had for free, but that time has passed. These major labels should cut their losses and move on to another industry, because thats what a real business does when its market dries up. They're too big? Then that's their own fault. I'm glad they put out a lot of the music that they did, but I don't feel an obligation to support a business that makes money off of artists by monopolizing lines of communication between artist and audience.b,121b,121For the sake of having a small grey area (much like the one on Faux Rillz head):b,121b,121I buy records and cds. I archive all of my music on a hard drive. I sell my record and cd collection, but I still ahve the hard drive. Is it illegal to listen to the archive?
  • matamaticmatamatic 488 Posts
    "when cds came out[these tiny lil pieces of crap and the jewel case always breaks,art is small etc] they were priced basically the sameb,121then all of the sudden they shot up and stayed at 16.99 to 19.99 everywhere"b,121b,121that always bothered me. I mean me and my boy put out a cd a few years back and it cost us a little over a buck apiece so it HAS to be cheaper for a major to mass produce a release. But still new cd's are 12-13.99 on average
  • keithvanhornkeithvanhorn 3,855 Posts
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    b,121they had all of the file sharing folls in one place-napster
    b,121they could have easily converted that into a pay service but they were greedy and didn't
    b,121it took them 10 years to figure this shit out as evidenced by the new revamped myspace music thing
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121wow...its the RIAA's fault that the owners of napster didn't hand over the company (the lawsuit went to the us supreme court), or that record companies were unwilling to trash their retail sales of cds/tapes in the late 90s, when 99% of the world wasn't downloading music yet????? What percentage of the world do you think, even today, gets their music from downloading?? You must live on a different planet.b,121b,121the contracts between the artists and the record companies are irrelevant to whether it is morally/ethically/LEGALLY alright to steal music. do you know what kind of deals artists make with their galleries? or authors with their publishers? if you think they are getting a raw deal, would it be ok to loot your local gallery or book store?b,121b,121btw, i'm not arguing that the civil penalties are justified (that's a whole different story).
  • prof_rockwellprof_rockwell 2,867 Posts
    remember this?b,121b,121img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Home_taping_is_killing_music.png"1b,121b,121keith, you do realize the only reason record labels are up in arms about this is because they were able to dupe people into replacing their entire music collections in the 90s with CDs, and now that people have smartened up, they are being a bunch of crybabiesb,121b,121object width="425" height="344"1param name="movie" value=""1/param1param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1/param1embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1/embed1/object1
  • Danno3000Danno3000 2,850 Posts
    Were it sufficiently efficient, I would happily sue everyone who illegally downloaded a copy of my compilation. Lucky for Kala et. al., it's ridiculously inefficient. b,121b,121Because of illegal file sharing, my record label is not economically viable. It's only because I make enough money from my real job that I can continue subsidising releasing critically acclaimed music that would otherwise be unavailable.
  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,900 Posts
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    b,121Were it sufficiently efficient, I would happily sue everyone who illegally downloaded a copy of my compilation. Lucky for Kala et. al., it's ridiculously inefficient.
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    b,121Because of illegal file sharing, my record label is not economically viable. It's only because I make enough money from my real job that I can continue subsidising releasing critically acclaimed music that would otherwise be unavailable.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121Dan,b,121b,121I totally understand what your saying. And don't take this the wrong way...b,121b,121But so?b,121b,121I'm pretty sure you're not making these comps to get rich off. If you were, you'd be long gone right now.b,121b,121I downloaded your first CD and I also went out and purchased it. But I will never fault people for downloading music. And this is coming from someone who's family had a business over 30 years dealing with music sales which ultimately closed down because of declining music sales. And I've been saying this now for almost 10 years. It's time to totally change the way the whole business is operated.b,121b,121b,121The idea of suing everyone if you could is not the answer.b,121 b,121If we were to throw out hypotheticals out there. I'd love to see the day someone finally invents a "replicator" like in Star Trek and farmers start suing people because nobody is buying their apple's any longer.
  • keithvanhornkeithvanhorn 3,855 Posts
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    b,121The idea of suing everyone if you could is not the answer.
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    b,121If we were to throw out hypotheticals out there. I'd love to see the day someone finally invents a "replicator" like in Star Trek and farmers start suing people because nobody is buying their apple's any longer.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121the idea of suing people who steal from you? the logic in this thread is Palin-esq. b,121b,121just because its easy to steal, doesn't make it ok. your "replicator" analogy is misplaced. what you should have said is what if someone invents a way to make yourself invisible, so instead of just stealing music online, we can walk into a best buy and do the same thing with cds and dvds. I guess suing/prosecuting those people would be stupid as well.b,121b,121 b,121img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/walkawaysonfinal.gif" alt="" 21
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    b,121The idea of suing everyone if you could is not the answer.
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    b,121If we were to throw out hypotheticals out there. I'd love to see the day someone finally invents a "replicator" like in Star Trek and farmers start suing people because nobody is buying their apple's any longer.
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    b,121the idea of suing people who steal from you? the logic in this thread is Palin-esq.
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    b,121just because its easy to steal, doesn't make it ok. your "replicator" analogy is misplaced. what you should have said is what if someone invents a way to make yourself invisible, so instead of just stealing music online, we can walk into a best buy and do the same thing with cds and dvds. I guess suing/prosecuting those people would be stupid as well.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121b,121Dude... Once and for all. It's not stealing. It's copyright infringement. You above most should know the difference. This whole walk in and take doesn't hold...
  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,900 Posts
    b,121b,121b,121 a href="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081006-movie-licensing-group-to-irish-preschools-pay-up.html" target="_blank"1Plus, we all know you would love nothing more than to go after all those criminals out there~!/a1
  • keithvanhornkeithvanhorn 3,855 Posts
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    b,121Dude... Once and for all. It's not stealing. It's copyright infringement.
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  • DJ_EnkiDJ_Enki 6,471 Posts
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    b,121The idea that filesharing should be illegal seems preposterous to me.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121But why? Bootlegging and such has always been illegal, and rightfully so. The only thing that has changed is that there's now a more efficient delivery mechanism, but to me, "We can now bootleg much easier and cheaper!" is not an argument for legalization.
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