In the early 70s Ayers was part of the Weather Underground. b,121b,121He attempted to destroy America's military and economy.b,121b,121In the early 80s he had a change of heart. b,121b,121He turned himself in and faced justice. b,121b,121He completed his education and started working to make his neighborhood a better place. b,121b,121Meanwhile GW Bush did what Ayers wanted to do. b,121b,121He destroyed America's military and economy.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121More lies.b,121b,121Ayres from an interview in 2001 with the new york times "I dont regret setting bombs, I feel we didnt do enough"b,121b,121Ayres did not have a change of heart, he had a change of strategy. The CAC board that Obama chaired was not set up to improve school kids literacy, numeracy or anything as old hat as that. It was set up to promote the teaching of 'social justice' in schools -- that is to get ayres radical politics into the class room. I once again repeat the words given by ayres in venezeuala at an event in praise of hugo chavez's educational reforms "education is the motor-force of revolution".
b,121I dont "trust" that blog, I cite it because of the documented evidence available there. Evidence which contradicts much of what is predictably written above
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b,121It is a matter of documented fact that Ayres appointed Obama chariman to a board he founded and on which Obamam served for years. In light of this it is just silly for the washington post to declare that "Obama-Ayers Link "Is A Tenuous One."". All that little list demonstrates is that there are a alot of media organisations with democratic sympathies and a lack of journalistic integrity. This shouldnt be news to anyone.
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b,121i dont see the evidence contradicting the above. 'tenuous' is a subjective term. but arguing that because legally ayers was the one to approve obama does not in any meaningful way imply 'tenuous' is no longer applicable.
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b,121but assume for the moment that for something to be 'tenuous' you're right - what have you proven? that the ny times is too eager to call something tenuous? then what. where is the evidence that ayers shaped obama's views, the evidence that ayers knew obama, any sort of evidence that implies impropriety here, guilt-by-association?
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font class="post"1b,121b,121The reason ayres was the one to legally aprove obama is because ayres is the one who founded the board. How likely do you think it that ayres would have no interest nor involvement in who chaired the board that he founded?b,121b,121You ask what evidence links obama's and ayres views, I ask why would Obama accept the role of chairman if he didnt belive in the objectives of that board?
b,121I dont "trust" that blog, I cite it because of the documented evidence available there. Evidence which contradicts much of what is predictably written above
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b,121It is a matter of documented fact that Ayres appointed Obama chariman to a board he founded and on which Obamam served for years. In light of this it is just silly for the washington post to declare that "Obama-Ayers Link "Is A Tenuous One."". All that little list demonstrates is that there are a alot of media organisations with democratic sympathies and a lack of journalistic integrity. This shouldnt be news to anyone.
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b,121i dont see the evidence contradicting the above. 'tenuous' is a subjective term. but arguing that because legally ayers was the one to approve obama does not in any meaningful way imply 'tenuous' is no longer applicable.
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b,121but assume for the moment that for something to be 'tenuous' you're right - what have you proven? that the ny times is too eager to call something tenuous? then what. where is the evidence that ayers shaped obama's views, the evidence that ayers knew obama, any sort of evidence that implies impropriety here, guilt-by-association?
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b,121The reason ayres was the one to legally aprove obama is because ayres is the one who founded the board. How likely do you think it that ayres would have no interest nor involvement in who chaired the board that he founded?
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font class="post"1b,121extremely likely? ive worked in chicago non profits and it wouldnt surprise me one bit. all you're doing by asking is proving you have no evidence to suggest otherwise - you're just assuming guilt based on your assumptions about how 'likely' something is.b,121b,121/font1
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b,121You ask what evidence links obama's and ayres views, I ask why would Obama accept the role of chairman if he didnt belive in the objectives of that board?
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font class="post"1b,121because he trusted the ppl who recommended obama? because he didnt care? because any f*cking reason? b,121b,121point to some evidence or stop leading us w/ bullshit
b,121I dont "trust" that blog, I cite it because of the documented evidence available there. Evidence which contradicts much of what is predictably written above
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b,121It is a matter of documented fact that Ayres appointed Obama chariman to a board he founded and on which Obamam served for years. In light of this it is just silly for the washington post to declare that "Obama-Ayers Link "Is A Tenuous One."". All that little list demonstrates is that there are a alot of media organisations with democratic sympathies and a lack of journalistic integrity. This shouldnt be news to anyone.
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b,121i dont see the evidence contradicting the above. 'tenuous' is a subjective term. but arguing that because legally ayers was the one to approve obama does not in any meaningful way imply 'tenuous' is no longer applicable.
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b,121but assume for the moment that for something to be 'tenuous' you're right - what have you proven? that the ny times is too eager to call something tenuous? then what. where is the evidence that ayers shaped obama's views, the evidence that ayers knew obama, any sort of evidence that implies impropriety here, guilt-by-association?
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b,121The reason ayres was the one to legally aprove obama is because ayres is the one who founded the board. How likely do you think it that ayres would have no interest nor involvement in who chaired the board that he founded?
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b,121You ask what evidence links obama's and ayres views, I ask why would Obama accept the role of chairman if he didnt belive in the objectives of that board?
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b,121In the early 70s Ayers was part of the Weather Underground.
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b,121He completed his education and started working to make his neighborhood a better place.
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b,121Ayres from an interview in 2001 with the new york times "I dont regret setting bombs, I feel we didnt do enough"
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b,121Ayres did not have a change of heart, he had a change of strategy. The CAC board that Obama chaired was not set up to improve school kids literacy, numeracy or anything as old hat as that. It was set up to promote the teaching of 'social justice' in schools -- that is to get ayres radical politics into the class room. I once again repeat the words given by ayres in venezeuala at an event in praise of hugo chavez's educational reforms "education is the motor-force of revolution".
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font class="post"1b,121b,121More lies. Let's see a source for that NY Times story, because you got the quote wrong. b,121b,121Peace, and social justice are not radical. In fact they are what the Chicago schools need as a strategy to bring down violence. b,121b,121Radical is invading a country that never attacked us with out enough troops to secure a peace, then allowing social chaos and Qaeda to set up camp.b,121b,121Radical is deregulating banks and markets, allowing ceo to make short term fortunes then walk away when the system collapses. b,121b,121Your radicals have destroyed my country.
Shit is getting ugly out there because of the personal attack/negative campaigning by the McCain camp:b,121b,121a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/09/uselections2008.johnmccain4" target="_blank"1http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/09/uselections2008.johnmccain4b,121b,121b,121US election: McCain rallies grow negative as Obama rises in the pollsb,121b,121 * Daniel Nasaw in Washingtonb,121 * guardian.co.uk,b,121 * Thursday October 09 2008 21.58 BSTb,121b,121As the presidential race lurches into its final weeks and John McCain struggles to make a dent in Barack Obama's lead in the polls, the tone at his rallies has grown increasingly negative.b,121b,121The McCain campaign yesterday sought to distance itself from ugly remarks by supporters, with a spokesman emailing reporters to say the camp "does not condone the inappropriate rhetoric" - a reference to shouts of "treason," "terrorist" and "kill him" by audience members at McCain events following mentions of Obama.[/b] The Arizona senator himself has yet to directly address the negative comments.
a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.html" target="_blank"1http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.htmlb,121b,121In Fla., Palin Goes for the Rough Stuff as Audience Boos Obamab,121b,121By Dana Milbankb,121CLEARWATER, Fla. -- "Okay, so Florida, you know that you're going to have to hang onto your hats," Sarah Palin told a rally of a few thousand here this morning, "because from now until Election Day it may get kind of rough."b,121b,121You betcha. And the person dishing out the roughest stuff at the moment is Sarah Palin.b,121b,121"And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued.b,121b,121"Boooo!" the crowd repeated.b,121b,121"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121This is, really, the most overtly racist thing I've heard from the high-up GOP. McCain has dispicably intoned "Barack is an exotic anti-American" over the span of the entire General, but this is nuts. I say: let these losers get desperate. Energizing all the conservative base in the Country won't help their game now. Those Rovian tactics won't work any more. Not with the current zeitgeist as proven through consistent polling and state enrollment numbers.b,121b,121Really, though, I believe that the most hurtful utterances against Barack Obama have come from the Dems. The Clintons, Ferraro, and even Biden have all said ignorant or ignoble things that raised eyebrows. But everyone expects these shenanigans from the GOP. IOIYAR.b,121b,121/font1
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font class="post"1b,121b,121As long as Barack doesn't futz it up (and judging by every one of his public appearances - save the Saddleback affair - he won't), it's a good idea. This is actually a bit of a throwback idea, as I read on some news site somewhere.
b,121Buying a half hour block of prime time TV is some baller shit. Damn!
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b,121I don't understand why Dolo is not more envious of the man's swag.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121LOL at Republican talking heads talking about how disgraceful it is that Obama thinks he can buy the presidency. That's the next tactic is trying to scrutinize just HOW Obama raised 450 mil.
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b,121I don't understand why Dolo is not more envious of the man's swag.
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b,121How would this fly if the "Fairness Doctrine" was in play??
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I'm genuinely disturbed by what I'm reading and seeing about McCain's crowds. Real angry mob style, as things look more and more like a wrap. Last night on CNN, they had a Dem, a Republican and some other analyst. The asked the Republican if there was anything he thought McCain could do to turn it around, and he said flatly, no. Wow. b,121b,121I guess I can't blame McCain for fighting to the bitter end, but I truly think that its gutless and despicable to not speak out against the tone of some of his supporters, and to continue to stoke the flames with this rhetoric. At least we know Obama saw it coming from a mile away.... b,121b,121b,121object width="425" height="344"1param name="movie" value=""1/param1param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1/param1embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1/embed1/object1
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font class="post"1b,121b,121The always astute Terry_Clubbup suggested that Palin is a fertility goddess for undereducated white people, a group that can feel its influence declining, and that this is why she has so excited them.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121There's the key right there. The symbolic death of the hegemony is imminent and the reaction is potentially explosive. If McCain doesn't come to his senses very soon you're going to start hearing the N-bomb dropped on national TV (from his audiences), and things are going to get violent.
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b,121There's the key right there. The symbolic death of the hegemony is imminent and the reaction is potentially explosive. If McCain doesn't come to his senses very soon you're going to start hearing the N-bomb dropped on national TV (from his audiences), and things are going to get violent.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121I think this is a possibility but it'd be (yet another example of) campaign suicide. Populism has its place in an election (of course); mob-mentalities do not. The gamble would be tapping into latent anger among voters to drive a wedge against Obama but the prospect of angry White folk - probably not part of the Democratic base to begin with - not only would help drive a lot of independent/moderate support towards Obama but it'd also do incredible harm to McCain's image which is suffering enough as it is. b,121b,121I think he could stomach being remembered like Bob Dole. I don't think he wants to go out like Jesse Helms.
I've been thinking this for some time but I have not wanted to say it. b,121b,121When John McCain, directly, or indirectly, calls Obama a terrorist, he is giving his supporters a green light to do what every they think necessary to protect America.b,121b,121It is dangerous and evil.
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font class="post"1b,121b,121You're absolutely right. By encouraging this kind of behavior, he's opening the door for much worse.
good point laser wolfb,121b,121secondly did you guys catch Larry king last nightb,121b,121Michelle Laxalt, a lifelong Republican consultant. Her father is, of course, the former senator, Paul Laxalt.b,121b,121MICHELLE LAXALT, GOP CONSULTANT: I have increasing doubts, Larry, about the ticket. And my doubts center around what I see the McCain management team doing with Governor Palin. I see a team who brought a young governor onto a national scene, tossed her into the deep end five weeks before November. I see them managing her. I hear from inside the McCain campaign that she is essentially being treated like a secretary or a staffer, not a genuine vice presidential running mate. And I think it is absolutely confirmed that when they send her out, this good 'ole boy team -- some of whom, parenthetically, Governor Reagan and my father, Senator Laxalt, fired from the Reagan campaign for these kinds of dirty tricks.b,121b,121They have sent this young, naive, very confident, perhaps, in Alaska, young woman out with the most incendiary talking points, the most dangerous...b,121b,121KING: All right...b,121b,121LAXALT: ...racist talking points. And I think they should be ashamed of themselves.b,121b,121b,121LAXALT: Look, I think -- I can't believe the tone of this conversation. Here we are, three conservative, loyal Republican women. And we are talking about a female who could be the vice president of the United States of America.b,121b,121In my estimation, she is being used unfairly as a tool by a team who, by the way, do not even support, nor does their candidate, equal pay for women for equal work. So if she is going to be the traditional vice presidential attack dog -- which I concur with Bay, that's very much a traditional role -- why didn't her male running mate, i.e. the candidate himself, man up and speak to those issues, calling his opponent essentially unpatriotic, calling him a terrorist?b,121b,121I'm sorry. This is not the Republican Party that Bill Buckley, that Paul Laxalt, that Ronald Reagan raised me on. And I don't believe the American people like this kind of dirty politics. If they can't win fair and square, they shouldn't trash the other guy.
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