Al Green - I'm still in Love With You 1st press

GamleOleGamleOle 508 Posts
edited September 2008 in Strut Central
Two labels exist. I didn't see any differences with the covers only the labels seem to be different. According to: a href="http://www.bsnpubs.com/tennessee/hi.html" target="_blank"1http://www.bsnpubs.com/tennessee/hi.html/a1 the standard white/grey label was being used for the 32000 series which "I'm still In Love With You" is part of but on the other hand it states that the label with the red/orange bar was being used during 1972 and 1973.b,121Both of them have record number: 32074b,121b,121Were they pressed simultaneously or did one come before the other?b,121b,121I have brought this up before but I can remember the exact answer nor find it.b,121 b,121b,121img src="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63/Sebbqq/DSC00957.jpg"1b,121b,121img src="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63/Sebbqq/DSC00958.jpg"1

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  • ^^^^b,121b,121i'd like to know, my local spot has a minty copy that says 'original pressing' on the sticker. at first i hesitated to drop $15 on minting up...but if i'll put that much into a new TV on the Radio record i think al green is worth it too.

  • I can understand finding the absolute 1st press of something if it has been booted, or you are potentially dealing with a high-dollar record, but this is kind of the soul equivilent of wondering if your AC/DC "Back in Black" is an absolute 1st press...classic, bad ass $5 record regardless of press...not something to sweat.

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    b,121...not something to sweat.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121you are NOT a supacollectrob,121b,121please leave your kingofdiggin badge at the door and see yourself out. b,121b,121goodbye.

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    b,121I can understand finding the absolute 1st press of something if it has been booted, or you are potentially dealing with a high-dollar record, but this is kind of the soul equivilent of wondering if your AC/DC "Back in Black" is an absolute 1st press...classic, bad ass $5 record regardless of press...not something to sweat.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121What you are saying makes sense from a seller's perspective but from a collector's perspective I can't see the logic unless you are collecting 1st pressings just to show that you can afford them. Why are you not suppose to care if it's a common record?b,121b,121People care about getting the right label for their Blue Note records. You see the huge difference in price if the record has the right label for certain titles. So from a collector's point of view I am not suppose to care just because there's not any real difference in price?b,121b,121With this Al Green record it is essentially the same as having the right label for your Blue Note album.b,121b,121Personally, I am always curious to know which is the first pressing and in some cases I prefer to take the 2nd press over the 1st press to save money. Not that I put an endless amount of time into it but I do try to investigate and ,of course, I put more time into it when I know the price difference is big enough, for sure.

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    b,121With this Al Green record it is essentially the same as having the right label for your Blue Note album.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/NO.gif" alt="" /1b,121b,121different labels ala Blue Note...are sweated due different pressings in regard to deepgroove, mono...the label differences with a Blue Note nerd has to do with fidelity and rarity..ie a West 63rd vs a New York, New York...the Al Green LP was pressed at numerous plants at the same time, London distribution ones were pressed somewhere else versus the plain ol Hi label...the differences here in provenance, fidelity, etc are not in the same league as wether or not your Horace Silver "Blowin the Blues Away" is a west 63rd or NY, NY, etc....

  • hcrinkhcrink 8,729 Posts
    I have always assumed that the labels with the London logo are earlier just because I'm pretty sure I've only seen them on early 70's titles. But, yeah, this seems pretty trivial as it's probably only a difference of a year or two.

  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
    Personally, I think it's just a case of the two labels being used simultaneously. Companies used to do that back then - if they ran out of their regular label, they'd switch to an alternate one, temporarily. I suspect Blue Note did that...they'd revert back to the classic blue-and-white if the blue-and-black or solid blue was all used up. Motown did this numerous times with their Tamla and Gordy imprints.b,121b,121As far as Hi goes...that red-and-white label is a variation on a design that London Records used for their subsidiaries. I think they may have pressed other albums with simultaneous labels...Deram is usually brown-and-white, but there's reportedly a version of the label that looks like that red-and-white Hi record pictured above (the colors might be different, but that basic design is the same).

  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
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    b,121different labels ala Blue Note...are sweated due different pressings in regard to deepgroove, mono...the label differences with a Blue Note nerd has to do with fidelity and rarity..ie a West 63rd vs a New York, New York...the Al Green LP was pressed at numerous plants at the same time, London distribution ones were pressed somewhere else versus the plain ol Hi label...the differences here in provenance, fidelity, etc are not in the same league as wether or not your Horace Silver "Blowin the Blues Away" is a west 63rd or NY, NY, etc....
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121There you go. It's safe to say that there probably aren't too many differences in mastering between a Hi pressing and a Hi/London one, unless it has been acknowledged for years. I'm not a big Electric Light Orchestra fan (like the early stuff and know the hits), but I read on the Steve Hoffman boards that there's a song (the one where Jeff Lynne sounds like he's calling in his vocals) where the mastering is different in various countries. Sometimes one version may have had less echo, one didn't, some would make his voice sound completely different from other versions, and only the diehard ELO fans have known this for years. It would be nice to know that perhaps there's an extended break or bassline in one of Al Green's songs, that would make one pressing desired over the other.b,121b,121The only thing in Green's discography that are of value are the quadraphonic mixes that were released on 8-track and reel-to-reel. Outside of the Greatest Hits album that came out as a DTS and DVD-A discs, none of them have been released in digital form outside of a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/4pud3e" target="_blank"1hobby versions/a1. Yet look at what came out in quad:b,121b,121Call Me. Hi H-12077 (QR), SHL7-32007 [previously L-72077] (Q8)b,121Explores your Mind. Hi H-132087 (QR), SHL7-32087 [previously L-732087] (Q8)b,121Gets Next to You. Hi SHL7-32062 [previously L-72062] (Q8)b,121Greatest Hits. Hi H-132089 (QR), SHL7-32089 [previously L-732089] (Q8)b,121 {The vinyl version IS NOT quad (QS) encoded}b,121Green is Blues. Hi SHL7-32055 [previously L-72055] (Q8)b,121I'm Still in Love with You. Hi SHL7-32074 [previously L-72074] (Q8)b,121Let's Stay Together. Hi SHL7-32070 [previously L-72070] (Q8)b,121Living For You. Hi H-12082 (QR), SHL7-32082 [previously L-72082] (Q8)b,121b,121That's not to say that first pressings of his albums aren't of value, but they sold well and sadly what constitutes a first pressing hasn't been documented extensively. But if you know what came before the other, the Hi or the Hi/London, then you can least backtrack until you find the one you're looking for.

  • since you are sweating it, I dont know if this means anything, but you generally see the non-London label here in Memphis.

  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    b,121since you are sweating it, I dont know if this means anything, but you generally see the non-London label here in Memphis.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121I think it's the same all over the US, because I usually see the non-London label here in Chicago as well. That other label seems to turn up only every now and then.b,121b,121For what it's worth, I have another Hi album which happens to have that same random design, Charlie Rich Sings Country & Western, originally released in 1967.

  • I have a 12" of "Love and Happiness" (London) that lives in my wedding crates. It sounds SO much better than any of the LP versions.

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    b,121I have a 12" of "Love and Happiness" (London) that lives in my wedding crates. It sounds SO much better than any of the LP versions.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121So did they give it some kind of sophisticated remix, or is it the exact same track from the album untouched?

  • them W-I-D-E grooves make all the difference

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    b,121With this Al Green record it is essentially the same as having the right label for your Blue Note album.
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    b,121different labels ala Blue Note...are sweated due different pressings in regard to deepgroove, mono...the label differences with a Blue Note nerd has to do with fidelity and rarity..ie a West 63rd vs a New York, New York...the Al Green LP was pressed at numerous plants at the same time, London distribution ones were pressed somewhere else versus the plain ol Hi label...the differences here in provenance, fidelity, etc are not in the same league as wether or not your Horace Silver "Blowin the Blues Away" is a west 63rd or NY, NY, etc....
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Blue Note was probably not the best examble but check Manship's price guide and you will see many exables of common soul records released with different labels(no difference in pressing, only label) and the first issue more or less always go for a few extra $s or lots of extra $s. This price difference is also reflected on the market not only in the books. For me that's the same.

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    b,121I have a 12" of "Love and Happiness" (London) that lives in my wedding crates. It sounds SO much better than any of the LP versions.
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    b,121So did they give it some kind of sophisticated remix, or is it the exact same track from the album untouched?
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Same I'm pretty sure, just louder.b,121b,121A Love And Happiness (4:40)b,121B Take Me To The River (3:43)

  • kalakala 3,339 Posts
    i smell a hotstamper coming

  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
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  • bull_oxbull_ox 5,056 Posts
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    b,121With this Al Green record it is essentially the same as having the right label for your Blue Note album.
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    b,121different labels ala Blue Note...are sweated due different pressings in regard to deepgroove, mono...the label differences with a Blue Note nerd has to do with fidelity and rarity..ie a West 63rd vs a New York, New York...the Al Green LP was pressed at numerous plants at the same time, London distribution ones were pressed somewhere else versus the plain ol Hi label...the differences here in provenance, fidelity, etc are not in the same league as wether or not your Horace Silver "Blowin the Blues Away" is a west 63rd or NY, NY, etc....
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    b,121Blue Note was probably not the best examble but check Manship's price guide and you will see many exables of common soul records released with different labels(no difference in pressing, only label) and the first issue more or less always go for a few extra $s or lots of extra $s. This price difference is also reflected on the market not only in the books. For me that's the same.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121Yeah this whole argument is kinda bullshit, considering that so many differences that collectors pay so much attention to (including, at times, on here) are exclusively label color/design...

  • i'm mostly just curios, that is my top Al Green record so i think its worth trying to get the best possible copy of the record I can get.

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  • pickwick33pickwick33 8,946 Posts
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    b,121i'm mostly just curios, that is my top Al Green record so i think its worth trying to get the best possible copy of the record I can get.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121I don't think the label design makes a hell of a lot of difference on the sound quality.

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    b,121i'm mostly just curios, that is my top Al Green record so i think its worth trying to get the best possible copy of the record I can get.
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    b,1211) Get a NM or sealed copy of each label variant.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121how can you tell what label design it is if its sealed?b,121b,121without paying for it?

  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
    Be imaginative: go by aesthetics (especially if they were pressed simultaneously). The London label is kinda ugly and it says London on it which is some UK schitt that has no place on a US soul record. I'll pay double for the non-London press, as you should.

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    b,121The London label is kinda ugly and it says London on it which some UK schitt that has no place on a US soul record.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121London Records did (does?) have a US branch, and they distributed Hi at the time. So you can bet that London is gonna make its' presence known. Look at the cover - the Hi logo appears directly above the London logo, just like on that alternate red-and-white label...

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    b,121 I'll pay double for the non-London press, as you should.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121But you shouldn't, because the LP is hella common.

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    b,121The London label is kinda ugly and it says London on it which some UK schitt that has no place on a US soul record.
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    b,121London Records did (does?) have a US branch, and they distributed Hi at the time. So you can bet that London is gonna make its' presence known.
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    font class="post"1b,121That's all well and good but had London not made their presence known in such a tacky way, good taste would not dictate choosing the non-London-marked label press over the ugly London-marked label press.

  • luckluck 4,077 Posts
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    b,121But you shouldn't, because the LP is hella common.
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121JP, he's playing.b,121b,121In my book, there is going to be zero difference between the pressings. This is 1972 and 1972 methods of pressing we're talking about, not 1962. And it's not like Rudy Van Gelder moonlighted at Hi Records solely for, say, the East-coast pressings of this LP.b,121b,121At some point, music is music. There will technically always be an earlier actual stamper-pressing of any given LP, and there's no way to know this either way. If you're collecting an item - irrespective of sonic value - then you're missing the point of the music.

  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,518 Posts
    The London label was used for a few years in the early 70s CONCURRENTLY with the other older label design which was used until about '76, when the hand job label came in. b,121b,121I would guess that different pressing plants used different labels. Thus if John Book's nerdy friends cared enough about soul they would be able to tell us which is superior. b,121b,121But they don't so it is up to us to a/b all copies of ISILWY. Please look closely for variations in the dead wax and label fonts. b,121b,121Personally I prefer the London label and would get that one, even though the other dates back to the '60s. b,121b,121The label color varies from grey, to tan to silver and I think I may have seen some old Bill Black's that are Black label but maybe not. b,121b,121What does it all mean?
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