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Chord Progression-Strut (Musicology-R)

mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
edited September 2008 in Strut Central
I'm not trained to pick up on pitch and I've been trying to figure out how to replay the chord progression that opens this song: (Bobby Matos' "Nadie Baila Como Ya")b,121b,121object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://o-dub.com/sounds/soulsides/player.swf" id="audioplayer1" height="24" width="290"1b,121param name="movie" value="http://o-dub.com/sounds/soulsides/player.swf"1b,121param name="FlashVars" value="playerID=1&soundFile=http://o-dub.com/sounds/soulsides/summer08/nadie.mp3"1b,121param name="quality" value="high"1b,121param name="menu" value="false"1b,121param name="wmode" value="transparent"1b,121b,121b,121I think, it's a standard (for Latin at least) I IV V combo, in this case: b,121b,121IV I Vb,121b,121But when I try playing it as an F-C-G, it doesn't sound right and I can't tell if it's because I have it in the wrong key or if my chord progression is just straight off.

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  • CinisterCeeCinisterCee 863 Posts
    I think you have the standard Premo progression.b,121b,121This sounds like "V IV I, IV" in the key1of C
  • The_Hook_UpThe_Hook_Up 8,182 Posts
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    b,121I think you have the standard Premo progression.
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    b,121This sounds like "V IV I, IV" in the key1of C
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    font class="post"1b,121b,121which would be G-F-C, G I believe
  • CinisterCeeCinisterCee 863 Posts
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  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    I was talking about the opening not the change at 2min (which is a very standard I IV V).b,121b,121I'll try the G F C G progression when I get home and see if that sounds better
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  • GaryGary 3,982 Posts
    what are you playing?. piano? guitar?
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    piano
  • BamboucheBambouche 1,484 Posts
    When did you start playing piano Oliver? I hope this will result in a youtube of your daughter rocking "Nadie Baila Como Ya"...b,121b,121The opening is a three "chord" (it's a dyad, actually) descending progression played with a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_third" target="_blank"1thirds, while the pickup notes ascend back up to the start. Technically, they're not chords because a chord needs three notes, and this progression, for the most part, uses only two.b,121b,121The exception is the C, which is a Major C chord (the notes C, G, and E).b,121b,121b,121Here's how you would play it: b,121b,121Root (Third) /b1b,121G(B) / F(A) / CMajor( C+E+G) / [pickup] F(A) / F(A)b,121b,121[The third is four semitones up on the keyboard from the root: Two notes (white keys) up with two half notes (black keys).]b,121b,121b,121b,121Here's a soundfile (I threw it together real quick, forgive me that my piano sample is classical in timbre and not Latin-ish) with Bobby's piano starting in the left and a replaying coming in on the right:b,121b,121a href="http://www.vanguardsquad.com/temp/NadieTest.aif" target="_blank"1http://www.vanguardsquad.com/temp/NadieTest.aif
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
    Ha - we'll have to get a keyboard (a real one) first for Ella. I've been using, um, garageband to replicate piano notes via the keyboard interface (since we don't have a piano or synth in the house). b,121b,121The G F C F F progression was right; when I was playing it the first time, I think I was starting on the F instead of the G and that's what sounded off. But your clip below made me realize I was also confusing timbre with key. The reason it didn't sound right to be was because the timbre of garageband's piano wasn't like what I was hearing on the Matos' sound. Once I heard your side by side comparison and replicated it myself, I realized I did have the right notes, just the wrong timbre. b,121b,121I don't play piano - not in any real way; it's been 20 years or so since I've had lessons though I'd like to come back to it. What sparked my interest more recently was reading in Wexler's biography about how Bert Berns of BANG Records used to base a slew of his songs off the I IV V progression he first heard in "Guantanamera" and then I started to pay a lot more attention to how insanely prevalent that same progression (or variations on those three notes) is throughout the Latin music I enjoy. For any musician, all this shit is, I'm sure, second nature but given that I don't have very strong musicological training, it's all kind of revelatory, on some, "wait, you mean with these three notes, I can recreate a gazillion songs I already know? Whoooa."b,121b,121Makes me really sad I didn't take more music appreciation classes in school, just to get the basics down, let alone anything more advanced. Like, I was asking Joe Bataan what the difference between a cha-cha-ch?? and guajira rhythm was since, to my ears, they were very similar in structure and he replied, "cha cha is usually in a major key, a guajira is in a minor. That's why you don't hear as many1boogaloos based around guajiras - they'd be too sad!" Again, to any1one with basic training, that would have been self-evident but I was mind-blown. b,121b,121b,121/font1
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    b,121When did you start playing piano Oliver? I hope this will result in a youtube of your daughter rocking "Nadie Baila Como Ya"...
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    b,121The opening is a three "chord" (it's a dyad, actually) descending progression played with
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    /a1, while the pickup notes ascend back up to the start. Technically, they're not chords because a chord needs three notes, and this progression, for the most part, uses only two.
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    b,121The exception is the C, which is a Major C chord (the notes C, G, and E).
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    b,121Here's how you would play it:
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    Root (Third) /b1b,121G(B) / F(A) / CMajor( C+E+G) / [pickup] F(A) / F(A)b,121b,121[The third is four semitones up on the keyboard from the root: Two notes (white keys) up with two half notes (black keys).]b,121b,121b,121b,121Here's a soundfile (I threw it together real quick, forgive me that my piano sample is classical in timbre and not Latin-ish) with Bobby's piano starting in the left and a replaying coming in on the right:b,121b,121a href="http://www.vanguardsquad.com/temp/NadieTest.aif" target="_blank"1http://www.vanguardsquad.com/temp/NadieTest.aif/a1 b,121b,121h,121
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  • CinisterCeeCinisterCee 863 Posts
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    b,121The G F C F F progression was right
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