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FrankFrank 2,373 Posts
edited September 2008 in Strut Central
What if the US is about to enter another great depression?b,121b,121How would this impact the people on this board who somehow make a living with DJ-in, record dealing and or other record related activities?b,121b,121I would assume that the market for such unessential luxury items as rare, vintage records would collapse, leaving us collectros with a good chunk of our accumulated life savings suddenly turned worthless. I mean there would always be hope that if things turn better again in what 2, 5 or perhaps 10 years, records would again be worth money, maybe even more than before, but who knows?b,121b,121Who would still be able to afford or still want to go out and pay $10 admission for a club? Buy $8 beers? $12 cocktails?b,121b,121In a way, this could actually be culturally healthy and bring forward some creativity in people. Who knows?b,121b,121What do you think?b,121How would you predict an economic worst case scenario to affect-b,1211. -the world of record collecting?b,1212. -the work life of a DJ?b,1213. -your own club related behavior as a consumer?b,1214. -clubs and the sort of entertainment they offer to which price?
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  • behemothbehemoth 2,189 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121What if the US is about to enter another great depression?b,121b,121How would this impact the people on this board who somehow make a living with DJ-in, record dealing and or other record related activities?b,121b,121I would assume that the market for such unessential luxury items as rare, vintage records would collapse, leaving us collectros with a good chunk of our accumulated life savings suddenly turned worthless. I mean there would always be hope that if things turn better again in what 2, 5 or perhaps 10 years, records would again be worth money, maybe even more than before, but who knows?b,121b,121Who would still be able to afford or still want to go out and pay $10 admission for a club? Buy $8 beers? $12 cocktails?b,121b,121In a way, this could actually be culturally healthy and bring forward some creativity in people. Who knows?b,121b,121What do you think?b,121How would you predict an economic worst case scenario to affect-b,1211. -the world of record collecting?b,1212. -the work life of a DJ?b,1213. -your own club related behavior as a consumer?b,1214. -clubs and the sort of entertainment they offer to which price? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121i place clubs in the same vein as movies! it is a way for people to forget about the hard times and what is going on. i can't see them being affected as much as someone actually collecting records...b,121b,121plus heroin junkies dont stop doing heroin when times are hard. collectors wont stop buying. in fact, bargains to be had in my eyes
  • SwayzeSwayze 14,705 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121What if the US is about to enter another great depression?b,121b,121How would this impact the people on this board who somehow make a living with DJ-in, record dealing and or other record related activities?b,121b,121I would assume that the market for such unessential luxury items as rare, vintage records would collapse, leaving us collectros with a good chunk of our accumulated life savings suddenly turned worthless. I mean there would always be hope that if things turn better again in what 2, 5 or perhaps 10 years, records would again be worth money, maybe even more than before, but who knows?b,121b,121Who would still be able to afford or still want to go out and pay $10 admission for a club? Buy $8 beers? $12 cocktails?b,121b,121In a way, this could actually be culturally healthy and bring forward some creativity in people. Who knows?b,121b,121What do you think?b,121How would you predict an economic worst case scenario to affect-b,1211. -the world of record collecting?b,1212. -the work life of a DJ?b,1213. -your own club related behavior as a consumer?b,1214. -clubs and the sort of entertainment they offer to which price? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121i place clubs in the same vein as movies! it is a way for people to forget about the hard times and what is going on. i can't see them being affected as much as someone actually collecting records...b,121b,121plus heroin junkies dont stop doing heroin when times are hard. collectors wont stop buying. in fact, bargains to be had in my eyes b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cos3ve.gif" alt="" 21b,121b,121People party the pain away and overextend themselves further doing so. The weekend after Sept 11th was one of the hottest I dj'ed back then. People seemed like they wanted to forget it even happened.b,121b,121The casual collector will more easily unass whatever heat they're holding when times get tough.
  • FrankFrank 2,373 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121i place clubs in the same vein as movies! it is a way for people to forget about the hard times and what is going on. i can't see them being affected as much as someone actually collecting records...b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121You would have to assume that people would drastically change their behavior as a consumer:b,1211. avoid clubs that charge a coverb,1212. get drunk before going out.b,1213. go out less oftenb,121b,121All of the above would severly hit clubs and directly impact the pay of the DJ.b,121You can't cut corners with the $5 an hour you pay your bartenders.b,121b,121b,121/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121plus heroin junkies dont stop doing heroin when times are hard. collectors wont stop buying.b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121Hmm... I could easily see myself not buying a single record for years to come. You can't compare a passion for records to drug addiction.b,121b,121/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121in fact, bargains to be had in my eyes b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121Maybe for a while but imagine all those jobless diggers out ther, suddenly having every hour of the day to search for records.b,121Anybody who has records and an idea of what they're worth or what they should be worth would stop selling instead of selling for next to nothing.
  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121Who would still be able to afford or still want to go out and pay $10 admission for a club? Buy $8 beers? $12 cocktails? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121Rich people party too. And they pay DJs more.b,121b,121Besides, most of the folks balling out for vinyl these days don't seem to live in the USA. Barring a worldwide depression, Japan/UK/Germany/Italy/Euroman will still be willing to shell out $$$ for wax.
  • tripledoubletripledouble 7,636 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Besides, most of the folks balling out for vinyl these days don't seem to live in the USA. Barring a worldwide depression, Japan/UK/Germany/Italy/Euroman will still be willing to shell out $$$ for wax. b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121it may in fact keep the economy afloat!
  • FrankFrank 2,373 Posts
    I'm not talking about going broke for a week, I'm more talking about having to worry how to not go hungry and not have your ass evicted for a period of years.b,121b,121/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121Rich people party too. And they pay DJs more.b,121b,121b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121Maybe rich people will still party but they're still not going to invite us along and don't expect them to suddenly grow an interest in good music.b,121b,121Why don't you just all vote Republican in November and we talk about this again in a year or two?b,121(just kidding!!!)b,121b,121/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121b,121Besides, most of the folks balling out for vinyl these days don't seem to live in the USA. Barring a worldwide depression, Japan/UK/Germany/Italy/Euroman will still be willing to shell out $$$ for wax. b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121Germany's economy is halfway in the shitter as is and the future is not looking too bright. An economic disaster of a large scale that starts in the US could easily tear down the rest of the "first world".b,121People in Europe are already scared shitless by what's going on right now.
  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121I'm not talking about going broke for a week, I'm more talking about having to worry how to not go hungry and not have your ass evicted for a period of years.b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121Many of us worry about that already... and most of us don't make a living with music.b,121b,121b,121/font1
    Quote:/font1h,121b,121don't expect them to suddenly grow an interest in good music.b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121I'd wager that most of the working DJs on this board would freely admit that good music is already not part of the equation when spinning at the clurb.b,121b,121b/wb,121b,121Get out of the city and move somewhere affordable. Why people move to expensive places like NYC and LA is beyond me.b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ss.gif" alt="" 21
  • hcrinkhcrink 8,729 Posts
    It's definitely a scary though. As someone who partially relies of dealing records to keep the lights on it's possibly semi-comforting to know that, as stated above, a good half to two-thirds of the big spenders on the net are not in America... though who knows how the rest of the world might be affected by a full-blown US depression...
  • coffinjoecoffinjoe 1,743 Posts
    learn to speak chinese ?
  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
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  • mylatencymylatency 10,475 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121learn to speak chinese ? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnypost.gif" alt="" 21
  • SIRUSSIRUS 2,554 Posts
    wow jin,man i forgot dude even existed.i bet he would have good advice about surviving lean times.
  • FrankFrank 2,373 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121learn to speak chinese ? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnypost.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121What's supposed to be funny about this? That's actually a smart piece of advice.b,121In Germany, there are already highschools which offer Chinese as a second foreign language.
  • soulmarcosasoulmarcosa 4,296 Posts
    I'm counting on my rep as a worldclass bhangra/bollywood DJ to earn me some of that "booming Indian middle class nouveau riche vacationing in LA" cheddar paisa. Chak de phatte!
  • OkemOkem 4,617 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121It's definitely a scary though. As someone who partially relies of dealing records to keep the lights on it's possibly semi-comforting to know that, as stated above, a good half to two-thirds of the big spenders on the net are not in America... though who knows how the rest of the world might be affected by a full-blown US depression... b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121In the UK we've been slowly sinking into recession since the sub-prime problems in the US. I don't know about the whole of Europe, but I read Germany and Spain are in trouble also, we're not looking at a depression, but if the US does sink into a serious depression, it will have a global effect for sure. Happy times.
  • LaserWolfLaserWolf Portland Oregon 11,517 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121learn to speak chinese ? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnypost.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121What's supposed to be funny about this? That's actually a smart piece of advice.b,121In Germany, there are already highschools which offer Chinese as a second foreign language. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Learning a second language is illegal in the USA!
  • kalakala 3,361 Posts
    the euro is still kicking the dollars ass1by .30b,121i have seen a drop in the rate of final value of some things on ebay in the last year
  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121learn to speak chinese ? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121This is the exact advice I gave a group of H.S. kids at a recent "Career Day".b,121b,121Take business/marketing classes and learn to speak Chinese(at least one dialect)
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    More private house parties.
  • mylatencymylatency 10,475 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121learn to speak chinese ? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnypost.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121What's supposed to be funny about this? That's actually a smart piece of advice.b,121In Germany, there are already highschools which offer Chinese as a second foreign language. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121b,121I just thought it was funny as an unexpected, ironic response to the question you posited, albeit a "smart piece of advice"...but in all seriousness, if any businessperson finds themselves in San Diego and needs a Chinese tutor, my mom is on call to give a refresher course in spoken and written Chinese language. b,121b,121Thanks to her I am fluent in Mandarin. b,121b,121Then again Frank, wouldn't it be more intelligent to learn Chinese and Spanish / African languages? Chinese infrastructure companies are doing big business in Africa and South America....
  • mylatencymylatency 10,475 Posts
    ...and yeah, I'm sure lots of DJs on the board could get more/better DJ gigs in China if they learned Chinese, too....
  • rogbrogb 172 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121learn to speak chinese ? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121This is the exact advice I gave a group of H.S. kids at a recent "Career Day".b,121b,121Take business/marketing classes and learn to speak Chinese(at least one dialect) b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Good point. No one speaks "Chinese,"1you either speak Mandarian or Cantonese, or both.
  • johmbolayajohmbolaya 4,472 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121learn to speak chinese ? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121This is the exact advice I gave a group of H.S. kids at a recent "Career Day".b,121b,121Take business/marketing classes and learn to speak Chinese(at least one dialect) b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Good point. No one speaks "Chinese,"1you either speak Mandarian or Cantonese, or both. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sscg.gif" alt="" 21
  • rootlesscosmorootlesscosmo 12,848 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Take marketing classes b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121sad that this is what it's come to.b,121b,121forget innovation and technology, let's teach our kids how to run focus groups and "brand" shit nobody needs.
  • RockadelicRockadelic Out Digging 13,993 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Take marketing classes b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121sad that this is what it's come to.b,121b,121forget innovation and technology, let's teach our kids how to run focus groups and "brand" shit nobody needs. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121I think the reality is that China has done an amazing job of ramping up manufacturing but is lacking in Sales/Marketing expertise.
  • FrankFrank 2,373 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121learn to speak chinese ? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/funnypost.gif" alt="" 21 b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121What's supposed to be funny about this? That's actually a smart piece of advice.b,121In Germany, there are already highschools which offer Chinese as a second foreign language. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121b,121b,121I just thought it was funny as an unexpected, ironic response to the question you posited, albeit a "smart piece of advice"...but in all seriousness, if any businessperson finds themselves in San Diego and needs a Chinese tutor, my mom is on call to give a refresher course in spoken and written Chinese language. b,121b,121Thanks to her I am fluent in Mandarin. b,121b,121Then again Frank, wouldn't it be more intelligent to learn Chinese and Spanish / African languages? Chinese infrastructure companies are doing big business in Africa and South America.... b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121Wow, I'm envious. I think I'm going to start messing with Spanish next but Chinese would be too tough on my booze-fried brain... my attempts at French were already frustrating enough. Took me forever to get halfway functional at it but will never be able to reach a level where I could have a deeper conversation or read a book in this language.b,121You're right, the Chinese are very present in every African country I've visited.b,121b,121Even more unrelated but funny:b,121German state lender/development bank KFW transfered 350 million Euros (that's 500 million $) to Lehman Brothers ON MONDAY (!!!)
  • DORDOR Two Ron Toe 9,903 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121What if the US is about to enter another great depression? b,121b,121h,121
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  • mylatencymylatency 10,475 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121/font1Quote:/font1h,121b,121b,121Take marketing classes b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121sad that this is what it's come to.b,121b,121forget innovation and technology, let's teach our kids how to run focus groups and "brand" shit nobody needs. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121I think the reality is that China has done an amazing job of ramping up manufacturing but is lacking in Sales/Marketing expertise. b,121b,121h,121font class="post"1b,121b,121especially when it comes to tapping into western consumer marketsb,121just look at the lead in toys and similac disastersb,121b,121b,121they need to do a better job when it comes to business regulations
  • ReynaldoReynaldo 6,054 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121How would you predict an economic worst case scenario to affect-b,1211. -the world of record collecting? b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121More (desperate) sellers and less buyers/competition = great time to buy = img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/595.gif" alt="" 21b,121b,121BRING ON THE HEAT TRANSFER
  • mannybolonemannybolone Los Angeles, CA 15,025 Posts
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    Quote:/font1h,121b,121...and yeah, I'm sure lots of DJs on the board could get more/better DJ gigs in China if they learned Chinese, too.... b,121b,121h,121
    font class="post"1b,121b,121Uh, no. b,121b,121Not yet at least. Western DJs (read "non-Chinese looking dudes") are still sweated heavily. I once had a gig in HK drop through because they wanted an American but then learned I was Chinese American. b,121b,121b,121 img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/emil.gif" alt="" 21
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