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David Dinkins and rap music

GnarliamentGnarliament 375 Posts
edited September 2008 in Strut Central
Can anyone name any songs where Dinkins was mentioned, besides can I kick it? This is for school, and any help would be much appreciated.

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  • Lucious_FoxLucious_Fox 2,479 Posts
    why?
  • GnarliamentGnarliament 375 Posts
    I'm writing about how rap music can be used as a cultural artifact which reflects the views of a society. It's not a new idea by any means, I know, but it's a fun paper to write. I'm using Dinkins as a specific example.
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Awww.ohhla.com+dinkins
  • Lucious_FoxLucious_Fox 2,479 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121I'm writing about how rap music can be used as a cultural artifact which reflects the views of a society. It's not a new idea by any means, I know, but it's a fun paper to write. I'm using Dinkins as a specific example. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121How does a David Dinkins reference in a Hip Hop song reflect the views of an entire society? b,121b,121Ur clearly inspired by Phife's reference and want more examples to back your theory , right?b,121b,121no hatt
  • GnarliamentGnarliament 375 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121I'm writing about how rap music can be used as a cultural artifact which reflects the views of a society. It's not a new idea by any means, I know, but it's a fun paper to write. I'm using Dinkins as a specific example. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121How does a David Dinkins reference in a Hip Hop song reflect the views of an entire society? b,121b,121Ur clearly inspired by Phife's reference and want more examples to back your theory , right?b,121b,121no hatt b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Yes. I'm also talking about how white flight, police violence and neglect of urban areas by city officials, all parts of American history, are referenced in Rap music from regions where it happened. I guess it's similar to looking at classical music at the turn of the last century to examine the nationalist sentiments in Europe which led to WW2.b,121b,121EDIT: Thank you faux rillz! that site should be a huge help with the rest of the paper.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121I'm writing about how rap music can be used as a cultural artifact which reflects the views of a society. It's not a new idea by any means, I know, but it's a fun paper to write. I'm using Dinkins as a specific example. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121How does a David Dinkins reference in a Hip Hop song reflect the views of an entire society? b,121b,121Ur clearly inspired by Phife's reference and want more examples to back your theory , right?b,121b,121no hatt b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Yes. I'm also talking about how white flight, police violence and neglect of urban areas by city officials, all parts of American history, are referenced in Rap music from regions where it happened. I guess it's similar to looking at classical music at the turn of the last century to examine the nationalist sentiments in Europe which led to WW2.b,121b,121EDIT: Thank you faux rillz! that site should be a huge help with the rest of the paper. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121White Flight in NYC happened before before Hip Hop.
  • barjesusbarjesus 872 Posts
    How about Biz Mentioning Shirley Chisolm?
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121I'm writing about how rap music can be used as a cultural artifact which reflects the views of a society. It's not a new idea by any means, I know, but it's a fun paper to write. I'm using Dinkins as a specific example. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121How does a David Dinkins reference in a Hip Hop song reflect the views of an entire society? b,121b,121Ur clearly inspired by Phife's reference and want more examples to back your theory , right?b,121b,121no hatt b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Yes. I'm also talking about how white flight, police violence and neglect of urban areas by city officials, all parts of American history, are referenced in Rap music from regions where it happened. I guess it's similar to looking at classical music at the turn of the last century to examine the nationalist sentiments in Europe which led to WW2.b,121b,121EDIT: Thank you faux rillz! that site should be a huge help with the rest of the paper. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121White Flight in NYC happened before before Hip Hop. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Seriouslyb,121b,121This dude = the heir to Mad Drama Teacher
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121b,121b,121White Flight in NYC happened before before Hip Hop. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121b,121Indeed - major flaw in your thesis, if that's a part of it. White flight dates to mid-century through the 70s.
  • GnarliamentGnarliament 375 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121I'm writing about how rap music can be used as a cultural artifact which reflects the views of a society. It's not a new idea by any means, I know, but it's a fun paper to write. I'm using Dinkins as a specific example. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121How does a David Dinkins reference in a Hip Hop song reflect the views of an entire society? b,121b,121Ur clearly inspired by Phife's reference and want more examples to back your theory , right?b,121b,121no hatt b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Yes. I'm also talking about how white flight, police violence and neglect of urban areas by city officials, all parts of American history, are referenced in Rap music from regions where it happened. I guess it's similar to looking at classical music at the turn of the last century to examine the nationalist sentiments in Europe which led to WW2.b,121b,121EDIT: Thank you faux rillz! that site should be a huge help with the rest of the paper. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121White Flight in NYC happened before before Hip Hop. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Would it be untrue to say that the urban decay in the 70s and 80s was a result of (among other things) white flight? Would it be unreasonable to infer that that environment fostered the creation of hip hop? I've heard this Idea from people before, and if others disagree with it I'd like to know. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm designing a hypothetical college course. I thought "Rap Music and American History" would be a good topic.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121I'm writing about how rap music can be used as a cultural artifact which reflects the views of a society. It's not a new idea by any means, I know, but it's a fun paper to write. I'm using Dinkins as a specific example. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121How does a David Dinkins reference in a Hip Hop song reflect the views of an entire society? b,121b,121Ur clearly inspired by Phife's reference and want more examples to back your theory , right?b,121b,121no hatt b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Yes. I'm also talking about how white flight, police violence and neglect of urban areas by city officials, all parts of American history, are referenced in Rap music from regions where it happened. I guess it's similar to looking at classical music at the turn of the last century to examine the nationalist sentiments in Europe which led to WW2.b,121b,121EDIT: Thank you faux rillz! that site should be a huge help with the rest of the paper. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121White Flight in NYC happened before before Hip Hop. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Would it be untrue to say that the urban decay in the 70s and 80s was a result of (among other things) white flight? Would it be unreasonable to infer that that environment fostered the creation of hip hop? I've heard this Idea from people before, and if others disagree with it I'd like to know. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm actually designing a hypothetical college course. I thought "Rap Music and American History" would be a good topic. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121A child was born, with no state of mindb,121Blind to the ways of mankindb,121God is smiling on you but hes frowning toob,121Cause only God knows what you go throughb,121You grow in the ghetto, living second rateb,121And your eyes will sing a song of deep hateb,121The places you play and where you stayb,121Looks like one great big alley wayb,121Youll admire all the number book takersb,121Thugs, pimps, pushers and the big money makersb,121Driving big cars, spending twenties and tensb,121And you wanna grow up to be just like themb,121Smugglers, scrambles, burglars, gamblersb,121Pickpockets, peddlers and even pan-handlersb,121You say Im cool, Im no foolb,121But then you wind up dropping out of high schoolb,121Now youre unemployed, all null n voidb,121Walking around like youre pretty boy floydb,121Turned stickup kid, look what you done didb,121Got send up for a eight year bidb,121Now your man is took and youre a may tagb,121Spend the next two years as an undercover fagb,121Being used and abused, and served like hellb,121Till one day you was find hung dead in a cellb,121It was plain to see that your life was lostb,121You was cold and your body swung back and forthb,121But now your eyes sing the sad sad songb,121Of how you lived so fast and died so youngb,121b,121THIS IS ALL U NEED TO PRESENT AND WALK AWAYb,121b,121Yes White Flight is A factor but there are other ones...b,121b,121The Construction of the Cross Bronx Expresswayb,121NYC money problems leading the way to the neglection of music & art programsb,121b,121to name a few.
  • selperfugeselperfuge 1,165 Posts
    i have nothing to offerb,121but when i was twelve i saw a bunch of July 4th fireworks in Battery Cityb,121some trees blocked the view and all of a sudden ten thousand people started chanting "Fusk DINKINS" because we couldn't see in counterpoint to the Macy's bombs going off. and most of the crowd was black and hispanic.b,121i have no idea how this will help you get tenure at Sarah Lawrence.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121Would it be untrue to say that the urban decay in the 70s and 80s was a result of (among other things) white flight? Would it be unreasonable to infer that that environment fostered the creation of hip hop? b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121White People created Hip Hop.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Hypothetical
  • GnarliamentGnarliament 375 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121b,121White People created Hip Hop. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121There you go. "The Message" is part of the "curriculum". I'm having the "students" listen to b,121NWA- NWA and the posse/Straight outta Compton (Gangsta Rap)b,121Grandmaster Flash- Various Songs (early 80's New York)b,121A Tribe Called Quest- People's Instinctive Travels (Consciousness Movement)b,121b,121"Wild Style" will be required viewing. b,121b,121Books will be:b,121"And it Don't Stop": The Best American Hip Hop Journalism of the Last 25 Years- Nelson georgeb,121In the South Bronx of America- Mel Rosenthalb,121Urban Policy in the 20th Century- Arnold Hirsch and Raymond Mohlb,121Can't Stop Won't Stop- Jeff Chang and Kool Herc
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    How are you tying those all together? What does ATCQ and NWA and Robert Moses have to do with one another?
  • faux_rillzfaux_rillz 14,343 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121
    Quote:h,121b,121b,121White People created Hip Hop. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121There you go. "The Message" is part of the "curriculum". I'm having the "students" listen to b,121NWA- NWA and the posse/Straight outta Compton (Gangsta Rap)b,121Grandmaster Flash- Various Songs (early 80's New York)b,121A Tribe Called Quest- People's Instinctive Travels (Consciousness Movement)b,121b,121"Wild Style" will be required viewing. b,121b,121Books will be:b,121"And it Don't Stop": The Best American Hip Hop Journalism of the Last 25 Years- Nelson georgeb,121In the South Bronx of America- Mel Rosenthalb,121Urban Policy in the 20th Century- Arnold Hirsch and Raymond Mohlb,121Can't Stop Won't Stop- Jeff Chang and Kool Herc b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Dude, have you even read any of those books?b,121b,121i1Can't Stop...[/i] is by Jeff Chang; Kool Herc just wrote a foreward or something.b,121b,121Similarly, I don't think Nelson George contributed nayhting more than an introduction to i1And It Don't Stop[/i].b,121b,121You seem kind of lost with this subject matter.b,121b,121It is, frankly, frightening that you've been given the opportunity to design a college class.
  • GnarliamentGnarliament 375 Posts
    I've read all the books I listed there. I actually got this Idea from reading Cant Stop Won't Stop. It's just a short high school essay. I'm not designing an actual course! I would be frightened at the prospect of that too. The "course" will focus on the history of New York and LA from the 70s to the mid 90s. Rap is one of the primary sources used to teach the "course". How do I seem lost? no hatt.
  • Jonny_PaycheckJonny_Paycheck 17,825 Posts
    Well look there's two ways you can do this: You can play to the basic "outsider" interpretation of rap lyrics by suggesting that violent, xenophobic, sensationalist gangsta rap was a product of or a partner to white flight; this wouldn't be very accurate, but it might play well with your faculty.b,121b,121The other way is to actually examine and theorize on the epics of white flight, urban deterioration, city bankruptcy, social and musical influences taken from that and reapplied later on... which is a task very few are up to.
  • GnarliamentGnarliament 375 Posts
    I'm absolutely with you on the second way. Again, this is just a high school essay. I think more people would be up to the second task than you might think. The way hip hop is viewed by mainstream america is changing daily, mostly for the better, imo. As it becomes more and more a part of our society, less people are threatened by it, and more seek to understand it fully.
  • batmonbatmon 27,574 Posts
    Quote:h,121b,121I'm absolutely with you on the second way. Again, this is just a high school essay. I think more people would be up to the second task than you might think. The way hip hop is viewed by mainstream america is changing daily, mostly for the better, imo. As it becomes more and more a part of our society, less people are threatened by it, and more seek to understand it fully. b,121b,121h,121
    b,121b,121Uh........... did u see the recent('07) BET & Oprah Summits that were still, in 2008, villianizing Hip Hop?b,121b,121I think listening to it is the only way of really understanding it fully. b,121b,121Hip Hop has been mainstreamed already.
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